Eternal Khol he/him Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: However, probability has nothing to do with the Spiritweb Again. Not what im saying XD at least not how im trying to make it sound im saying that foresight involves fortune. And that any foresight in the cosmere involves spiritwebs and probability ergo, fortune involves spiritwebs. Sometimes Edited September 30, 2020 by Eternal Khol
Aspiring Writer Posted September 30, 2020 Author Posted September 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said: Again. Not what im saying XD at least not how im trying to make it sound im saying that foresight involves fortune. And that any foresight in the cosmere involves spiritwebs and probability ergo, fortune involves spiritwebs. Sometimes You are saying, that to use fortune involves the spirit web. Where does it say this anywhere? 39 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said: 27 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:
Eternal Khol he/him Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: You are saying, that to use fortune involves the spirit web. Where does it say this anywhere? this is what im getting at Fortune is involved in Future Sight. Future sight involves Spiritwebs Therefore Fortune → Futuresight → Spiritwebs Im not saying that saying that fortune is part of the spritweb, im saying that it involes the spiritweb through futuresight Questioner Is looking into the Spiritual Realm the only way to look into the future? Brandon Sanderson Any looking into the future involves looking at Spiritwebs, probability, and stuff like that. So, yes. Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017) Edited September 30, 2020 by Eternal Khol
Aspiring Writer Posted September 30, 2020 Author Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, Eternal Khol said: this is what im getting at Fortune is involved in Future Sight. Future sight involves Spiritwebs Therefore Fortune → Futuresight → Spiritwebs Questioner Is looking into the Spiritual Realm the only way to look into the future? Brandon Sanderson Any looking into the future involves looking at Spiritwebs, probability, and stuff like that. So, yes. Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017) Okay, yes thank you, I was wanting that quote. You are correct, it involves spirit webs. Fortunately for my theory, it isn't a part of the spirit web so still has some degree of separation to have different properties than Connection.
Eternal Khol he/him Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Okay, yes thank you, I was wanting that quote. You are correct, it involves spirit webs. Fortunately for my theory, it isn't a part of the spirit web so still has some degree of separation to have different properties than Connection. I imagine it is still kinda part of their spirtweb, in a way, even if they aren’t manipulating Fortune. Ive been thinking of Fortune as a sort of scale. When they aren’t manipulating Fortune, their “scale” is balanced so to speak and they have a normal(of however you would describe it) amount of good and bad luck(or Fortune) but when they manipulate that Fortune, theyre tipping the scale on way or the other. Good luck(like we see with hoid) or bad luck(like we see with Axies) so even if they aren’t manipulating that fortune, its still there, kinda determining your life, to one of good or bad luck Edited September 30, 2020 by Eternal Khol
Aspiring Writer Posted September 30, 2020 Author Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Eternal Khol said: I imagine it is still kinda part of their spirtweb even if they aren’t manipulating Fortune. Ive been thinking of it as a scale. When they aren’t manipulating Fortune, their “scale” is balanced so to speak and they have a normal(of however you would describe it) amount of good and bad luck(or Fortune) but when they manipulate that Fortune, theyre tipping the scale on way or the other. Good luck(like we see with hoid) or bad luck(like we see with Axies) so even if they aren’t manipulating that fortune, its still there. No, Fortune taps into the spiritual realm, and getting more fortune simply means you draw more power, and haveing less fortune means your drawing less of that power.
Eternal Khol he/him Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: No, Fortune taps into the spiritual realm, and getting more fortune simply means you draw more power, and haveing less fortune means your drawing less of that power. Exactly. Drawing more or less power. the power(fortune) existed before you messed with it, your just now adding more or less Fortune is a natural property of the Cosmere, it doesnt only come into play when someone like a Feruchemist or hoid messes with it, right? Edited September 30, 2020 by Eternal Khol
Aspiring Writer Posted September 30, 2020 Author Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, Eternal Khol said: Exactly. Drawing more or less power. the power existed before you messed with it, your just now adding more or less Fortune is a natural property of the Cosmere, it doesnt only come into play when someone like a Feruchemist or hoid messes with it Okay, I agree with that, but a natural property might not be able to be accessed or accessed to a different effect, which is why you need a Feruchemist or Hoid to manipulate it to actually do something. Not sure how having less fortune than normal works, but I'm sure BS will eventually get into that in Era 3 or 4 of Mistborn. Also, I have completely forgotten how this conversation/argument/discussion started/related to my theory, funnily enough. This topic really draws you in.
Eternal Khol he/him Posted September 30, 2020 Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Not sure how having less fortune than normal works, but I'm sure BS will eventually get into that in Era 3 or 4 of Mistborn. Also, I have completely forgotten how this conversation/argument/discussion started/related to my theory, funnily enough. This topic really draws you in. Im really interested in the “curse of kind” and wondered if it’s voluntary, and if so, why would the sleepless want to live with constant bad luck? Though if we take “curse of kind” to be interpreted as a curse on the whole species, that implies that they dont choose to have bad luck. And something about being a sleepless inherently draws bad luck wheeww, we really did get off topic lol. edit: not the Sleepless. The Siah’s. My bad Edited September 30, 2020 by Eternal Khol
Aspiring Writer Posted September 30, 2020 Author Posted September 30, 2020 16 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said: Im really interested in the “curse of kind” and wondered if it’s voluntary, and if so, why would the sleepless want to live with constant bad luck? Though if we take “curse of kind” to be interpreted as a curse on the whole species, that implies that they dont choose to have bad luck. And something about being a sleepless inherently draws bad luck wheeww, we really did get off topic lol. Could be due to some interference hat prevents them from access Fortune properly, something acting almost like aluminum and messing the species. Also, yeah, we did. People are going to look at our conversation and be like "What the storm is wrong with these two? How did they get here? Chill the hell out."
Fezzik Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 Yeah, because fortune has nothing to do with good/bad luck. Fortune is the ability to see the future and the various probabilities of outcomes. Hoid uses fortune to know "oh, I should head to Scadrial now in order to become an Allomancer. I don't know why now will work better than next week, I just do." 1
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Fezzik said: Yeah, because fortune has nothing to do with good/bad luck. Fortune is the ability to see the future and the various probabilities of outcomes. Hoid uses fortune to know "oh, I should head to Scadrial now in order to become an Allomancer. I don't know why now will work better than next week, I just do." This is the way I see it; Fortune in the sense of Fortune-Teller (future-seer) rather than "Good fortune" as a synonym for good luck.
Eternal Khol he/him Posted October 1, 2020 Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: This is the way I see it; Fortune in the sense of Fortune-Teller (future-seer) rather than "Good fortune" as a synonym for good luck. Thats what ive been thinking ive just been labeling them “good/bad luck” for ease 7 hours ago, Fezzik said: Yeah, because fortune has nothing to do with good/bad luck. Fortune is the ability to see the future and the various probabilities of outcomes. Ive been using “good/bad” because the Siah just appear to have bad luck and Brandon says that they’re accessing the “wrong kind of fortune” Hence, normal Fortune usage usually leads to “good luck” as people in-world would call it, and what Axies does, access’ the wrong kind of fortune or “bad luck” as they would say im not saying that I think fortune is just luck. A few days ago,if you scroll up, thats just what my whole spiel was about. How Fortune works by using the Spiritual Realm and Spiritwebs and different possibilities and stuff like that Edited October 1, 2020 by Eternal Khol
Aspiring Writer Posted October 2, 2020 Author Posted October 2, 2020 7 hours ago, Eternal Khol said: Thats what ive been thinking ive just been labeling them “good/bad luck” for ease Ive been using “good/bad” because the Siah just appear to have bad luck and Brandon says that they’re accessing the “wrong kind of fortune” Hence, normal Fortune usage usually leads to “good luck” as people in-world would call it, and what Axies does, access’ the wrong kind of fortune or “bad luck” as they would say im not saying that I think fortune is just luck. A few days ago,if you scroll up, thats just what my whole spiel was about. How Fortune works by using the Spiritual Realm and Spiritwebs and different possibilities and stuff like that Wait... there are different types of Fortune?! This might support my theory! WHOOO!
Eternal Khol he/him Posted October 2, 2020 Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Wait... there are different types of Fortune?! This might support my theory! WHOOO! Heres the WoB on it Brandon Sanderson Axies the Collector would probably be fine. We would just have a chat. But bad luck follows him because of the Curse of Kind, so maybe not. Maybe I wouldn't want to be around Axies the Collector, he is channeling the wrong kind of Fortune. Channeling is not an actual term - don't take that and put it in the wiki. YouTube Livestream 6 (April 23, 2020)
Aspiring Writer Posted October 2, 2020 Author Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Eternal Khol said: Heres the WoB on it Brandon Sanderson Axies the Collector would probably be fine. We would just have a chat. But bad luck follows him because of the Curse of Kind, so maybe not. Maybe I wouldn't want to be around Axies the Collector, he is channeling the wrong kind of Fortune. Channeling is not an actual term - don't take that and put it in the wiki. YouTube Livestream 6 (April 23, 2020) First off, impressive response time. I have to wait for @Frustration to respond to me about character deaths for hours. IAnd Yes, Frustration, I'm ating you. What are ya going to do about it (P.S, I'm a bit crazy today)) Also, so can Atium be another type of Fortune made physical then? One specific to Ruin perhaps?
Frustration Posted October 2, 2020 Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Aspiring Writer said: First off, impressive response time. I have to wait for @Frustration to respond to me about character deaths for hours. IAnd Yes, Frustration, I'm ating you. What are ya going to do about it (P.S, I'm a bit crazy today)) Also, so can Atium be another type of Fortune made physical then? One specific to Ruin perhaps? I've been busy.
Koloss17 She/They Posted October 4, 2020 Posted October 4, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 1:00 AM, Frustration said: I've been busy. Hey but you achieved your goal: frustrating people! That’s a win! also, what I’m getting is that atium gives fortune, in a sense. does that mean it can be reverse compounded with chromium? 1
Aspiring Writer Posted October 5, 2020 Author Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/3/2020 at 7:05 PM, Koloss17 said: Hey but you achieved your goal: frustrating people! That’s a win! also, what I’m getting is that atium gives fortune, in a sense. does that mean it can be reverse compounded with chromium? No, the way Atium gives fortune probably can't be stored, and compounding Atium is used for age. What I'm trying to get at is that Atium is strange among godmetals with it not acting like an invested object, so maybe that's because it's made of pure fortune rather than investiture, giving it different properties and explaining the future sight thing even more.
Frustration Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: No, the way Atium gives fortune probably can't be stored, and compounding Atium is used for age. What I'm trying to get at is that Atium is strange among godmetals with it not acting like an invested object, so maybe that's because it's made of pure fortune rather than investiture, giving it different properties and explaining the future sight thing even more. He means storing the Fortune you get from burning Atium in Chromium, and you totally could.
Aspiring Writer Posted October 5, 2020 Author Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Frustration said: He means storing the Fortune you get from burning Atium in Chromium, and you totally could. Perhaps, though it also may just use the power before you can store it in your metalminds.
Frustration Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, Aspiring Writer said: Perhaps, though it also may just use the power before you can store it in your metalminds. You can store A-pewters strength without compounding so I'd argue otherwise.
Aspiring Writer Posted October 5, 2020 Author Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, Frustration said: You can store A-pewters strength without compounding so I'd argue otherwise. Yeah, I can see that actually. But would tapping It you Atium shadows or would it just give you raw Fortune? Because if they give you Atium shadows specifically, that might be evidence of different types, or at least applications, of Fortune.
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