Long Game 69: The Politics of the Passions

[Kynedath]

@The Young Pyromancer Yeah, I know, I don't have anything to counter that other than I'm under threat of death. And I'm starting to figure out a groove to do this and my classes/work all together.

[Ashbringer he/him]

N3 action?

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Okay, how about this.

Can you tell us what this post was about?

[Kynedath]

Night three I had to pick from the illegal table because I was coerced. I got the passion of violence but I didn't use it. I abstained from taking any action.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

...And you didn't tell anyone you were coerced to pick from the illegal table?

[Kynedath]

Nope, didn't seem relevant.

[Ashbringer he/him]

2 minutes ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

...And you didn't tell anyone you were coerced to pick from the illegal table?

Nope. Read the post you linked again.

[Kynedath]

Yeah, I claimed I protected Elkanah, because if I had claimed that I actually got the passion. Of violence you guys would go ballistic. That's what I figured at least, but now that I'm on trial I figured it would be better to actually say what happened.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Suuuuuuuure.

What about N1/N2? 

[Zillah she/her]

The cycle is now closed.

[Zillah she/her]

 

Vote Count:

Kynedath (4): Elkanah, The Young Pyromancer, Ashbringer, Illwei

Kynedath has been lynched, they were an Undercover Emissary

Player List

Spoiler

1. Experience - Shard Undercover Emissary
2. Illwei
3. Matrims Dice - Phil Loyal Campaign Staff
4. Lotus - Sunwalker Loyal Campaign Staff
5. TJ Shade - Ylns Loyal Campaign Staff
6. Frozen Mint Loyal Campaign Staff
7. Kynedath - Tktk Undercover Emissary
8. Vapor   Undercover Emissary 
9. Lord Silberfarben
10. Elkanah - Lknik (a possible addict)
11. The Young Pyromancer - Mancia Young
12. Ashbringer - Faleast
13. Mist - Tara Night Loyal Campaign Staff
14. Sart the Bard Loyal Campaign Staff
15. Elandera Loyal Campaign Staff

Night Five has begun and will end in approximately 24 hours, Monday August 14, 0100 UTC

[Ashbringer he/him]

So there's still one more out there. My guess is Illwei, but it still could be just about anybody.

Pyro, you dead? (Edit: Caught)

Edited September 13, 2020 by Ashbringer

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

2 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

So there's still one more out there. My guess is Illwei, but it still could be just about anybody.

Pyro, you dead?

Nope! Got away scot-free! As for what I got-

Well, I didn't get narcotics. Not sure if I should tell the public any more rn.

So 1 elim left. Ash and me I feel are pretty clear at this point. That leaves Illwei and Elk.

[Ashbringer he/him]

I'd still like action claims from Silber.

Also, if you're going to be using Narcotics I'd rather you (anyone) claim it this turn. Knowing how many loose cannons we have is a good idea, and I'd prefer not to let Elims use it as an excuse later for something bad that happens, regardless of what it may have done previously.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

21 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I'd still like action claims from Silber.

Also, if you're going to be using Narcotics I'd rather you (anyone) claim it this turn. Knowing how many loose cannons we have is a good idea, and I'd prefer not to let Elims use it as an excuse later for something bad that happens, regardless of what it may have done previously.

Exactly, which is why I'm saying I DIDN'T get narcotics.

...Actually, anyone want to make one of those tables again?

If we're speaking of edge-cases here, I DO still think you suddenly realizing the elims could do a passion and a kill, and being like 'Hey, I'll claim this!' is a vague possibility.

[Illwei]

1 hour ago, The Young Pyromancer said:

...Actually, anyone want to make one of those tables again?

Table?

Anyways, I'll say this now that the lynch is over-

@Ashbringer, something I don't feel right about is you saying that you're clear because you "pointed out something that the elims wouldn't want to point out." I already made my case for why I don't think that what you says even qualifies as "something that the elims wouldn't want to point out", so that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that by your logic, you should have a village read on me because I have been repeatedly pushing for people to assume that there are 4 Elims, and that is also "something that the elims wouldn't want to point out", yet I'm your top suspicion?

Despite Kynedath being seemingly your top suspicion (did you ever actually post a reads?) you seemingly kept the lynch off of him with "there are only three elims" logic, and you only switched your vote off of Silber once Kyne had two votes on him, basically solidifying his lynch, even though your reasoning for not voting on him was broken many hours earlier.

There's a good chance that I'm tunneling :P.

Also I got survival.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Illwei

[Elkanah he/him]

Hmm. Well the good news is we got one. The bad news...

I need to go back and see who Kynedath supported. Unfortunately, as I've already stated, he is a good player who knows how to distance. The only person he has tied himself to all game was me and that was just having claimed he protected me night 3 or 4.

I did not get narcotics this cycle so I am a free agent. (be afraid )

I really don't know who to go after anymore, maybe things will make more sense after the night. Illwei is pretty clearly not going to be the elim target tonight as if he is village trying to kill him has a one in four chance of returning on the elim.

[Illwei]

15 minutes ago, Elkanah said:

Hmm. Well the good news is we got one. The bad news...

got one what? a table? 

EDIT: okay. wait. An Elim. we got an Elim. I'm dumb. It's fine.

Edited September 13, 2020 by Illwei

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Okay, assuming one kill tonight, that means that, with one lynch, we lose 

13 hours ago, Illwei said:

Table?

Table of which action I should use, for each illegal action except Narcotics, because I have NO idea.

13 hours ago, Illwei said:

Despite Kynedath being seemingly your top suspicion (did you ever actually post a reads?) you seemingly kept the lynch off of him with "there are only three elims" logic, and you only switched your vote off of Silber once Kyne had two votes on him, basically solidifying his lynch, even though your reasoning for not voting on him was broken many hours earlier.

That was Elk. And the thing that 'elims wouldn't want us to know' in this case is the thing that moved Kyne from 'soft-cleared, but fishy' to 'almost def elim, also stopping the elims from almost certainly winning'. So yeah, Ash is the #1 protection target tonight.

[Ashbringer he/him]

16 hours ago, Illwei said:

Table?

Anyways, I'll say this now that the lynch is over-

@Ashbringer, something I don't feel right about is you saying that you're clear because you "pointed out something that the elims wouldn't want to point out." I already made my case for why I don't think that what you says even qualifies as "something that the elims wouldn't want to point out", so that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that by your logic, you should have a village read on me because I have been repeatedly pushing for people to assume that there are 4 Elims, and that is also "something that the elims wouldn't want to point out", yet I'm your top suspicion?

Despite Kynedath being seemingly your top suspicion (did you ever actually post a reads?) you seemingly kept the lynch off of him with "there are only three elims" logic, and you only switched your vote off of Silber once Kyne had two votes on him, basically solidifying his lynch, even though your reasoning for not voting on him was broken many hours earlier.

There's a good chance that I'm tunneling :P.

Also I got survival.

To respond to this, I’ve tried to avoid saying I’m clear because of something I’ve done. The corroborated protection from Elk and this are exceptions, but I’d still say Pyro and Elk are the ones saying I’m village over me. 

And, it would still be a really weird gambit as an Elim. I’d essentially cleared Kynedath for as long as I was trusted, and I’d like to think my protection combined with Elk’s confirmation was doing a decent job of that. I could have instead pushed harder on Silber or Elkanah, which wouldn’t have been uncharacteristic of me. That would have gotten the mislynch that the Elims need to win the game.

Instead, I revealed that we were playing the game and our assumptions - including the one that “cleared” me from using last night’s Elim kill - were all wrong.

Moving on from that, I didn’t know if there was one elim or two. But it was a whole lot easier to try and analyze in the case of one, because that way we only had to find the one whose action wasn’t confirmed by someone else (before we learned that doesn’t affect the Elim kill). But there were so many unconfirmable actions that I didn’t have much of a chance to narrow it down past myself, Kynedath, and somewhat Pyro.

Predicting the numbers of Elims is somewhat dangerous, as it’s a way for the Elims to disguise how many Elims there actually are. But I’d say a good set of players know that, which leads to Elims pushing their correct number.

Well, sometimes. But enough for it not to be a clear. Finding we’re wrong about the number of Elims is one thing, which can be easily adapted to. Finding out we’re wrong about the fundamental rules of the game, that we’ve based all our analysis on... that’s quite another.

As for turning on Kynedath (and you, to some degree) there’s a few things I’ve noticed that raise my suspicions in addition to what’s happening on the surface.

[Illwei]

I was working on a big post but it was mostly just rephrasing everything I've already said on this plus me noticing (in an attempt to stop tunneling on Ash :P) that Elk claimed connection on Kyne the night that Lotus died, which if Elk is an elim would be an easy thing to claim? idk.

5 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

As for turning on Kynedath (and you, to some degree) there’s a few things I’ve noticed that raise my suspicions in addition to what’s happening on the surface

Can you elaborate? 

 

[Ashbringer he/him]

29 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Can you elaborate? 

One of them's a tell I'm going to keep to myself, as it's something that I'm not sure is a real indicator yet.

But Kynedath didn't seem to be contributing much, until Pyro, Elk, and I piled onto him. He'd been monitoring the thread (I'd seen so, in addition to Elk saying so) but not posting. I'd gotten him into a good position, where even as an inactive he was much less suspected than, say, Silber. But he wasn't using that credit at all, just coasting on it until it turned on him. And that's when he started posting and contributing. Kinda like Straw in the last LG.

He also seemed to be... overexplaining himself. He claimed he used Survival on Silber, which is fine. But he then said he targeted Silber because "I still don't fully trust him" and went for Safety because "I like protection". Survival on someone who isn't trusted should go without saying, and no one even asked about why he'd chosen which Passion set. It's something I noticed Vapor doing a bit in hindsight.

Plus when it comes to gut reading, I'm willing to defer to other's judgement. My reasons might not have been the strongest, but they lined up with who Pyro and Elkanah seemed to suspect, and both had seemed village-enough for me.

[Illwei]

I was mostly reffering to the "and you, to some extent", but im going to assume that thats the secret tell :P.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Yep. 

... Zillah hasn't been online in 23 hours... 

Edit: TIME!

Edited September 14, 2020 by Ashbringer

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Okay, I'll just reveal it. 

I got the passion of passion. This means I can use any illegal action besides violence.

What should I do?