Killuthion Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 I couldn't find this question so I guess I'll Post it. What is it about the Number ten on Roshar. Their are ten orders of radiants and ten honor blades and ten essences and ten surges. Why not 16 like Scadrial and other shard worlds. Did the shards on Roshar effect this or did it predate the Shattering. What could it suggest about the rest of the Cosmere. Could it be wrong and there exist an additional 6 orders and surges and essences... perhaps voidbinding or the old magic play into it. Any ideas Welcome. Thanks 2
Pathfinder Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Killuthion said: I couldn't find this question so I guess I'll Post it. What is it about the Number ten on Roshar. Their are ten orders of radiants and ten honor blades and ten essences and ten surges. Why not 16 like Scadrial and other shard worlds. Did the shards on Roshar effect this or did it predate the Shattering. What could it suggest about the rest of the Cosmere. Could it be wrong and there exist an additional 6 orders and surges and essences... perhaps voidbinding or the old magic play into it. Any ideas Welcome. Thanks I believe it arises from an interaction with the shards and the planet. Though at this point I cannot recall if that was a theory or was confirmed via WoB. These are the WoB I was able to find on the subject: Thought It seems that certain colors and numbers appear frequently in specific Cosmere books, like the number 5 in Warbreaker or red and blue in Elantris. Do these colors or numbers happen to refer to a specific Shard, and if so, would they be consistent across the cosmere? Brandon Sanderson Certain colors and numbers are important in reference to certain Shards. 17th Shard Forum Q&A (Sept. 26, 2012) Questioner Does each Shard have a favorite, or special, number or color? Brandon Sanderson I would say that there are inclinations but it's not, perhaps, as specific as you are thinking. Bands of Mourning release party (Jan. 25, 2016) The Only Joe (paraphrased) Do all shards have a number they're associated with? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Some do, (most/some) don't. Firefight Portland signing (Jan. 16, 2015) Edited March 9, 2020 by Pathfinder 2
Karger he/him Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Brandon has been a bit vague on this one. Quote Questioner Is there a reason, with 16 being such an important number, that there are only 10 orders of Radiants Brandon Sanderson That is relevant. Questioner Am I going to have to read and find out? Brandon Sanderson Let's just say 10 is a number that is relevant to Roshar and its inhabitants. Questioner And what's the significance of the number 10? Brandon Sanderson The significance is that it is very significant. Questioner Will we find out by reading it? Brandon Sanderson Maybe, that's why you're getting a RAFO. Potentially. FanX 2018 (Sept. 7, 2018) 1
The Sovereign Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 To build a little bit off of the WOBs @Pathfinder posted: Specifically: Quote The Only Joe (paraphrased) Do all shards have a number they're associated with? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Some do, (most/some) don't. Firefight Portland signing (Jan. 16, 2015) The #'s that we know are associated with specific Shards: 1: Automomy 5: Endowment 9: Odium 10: Honor 16: Preservation
Karger he/him Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, The Sovereign said: 1: Automomy 5: Endowment What? When did these two happen?
RShara she/her Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 54 minutes ago, Karger said: What? When did these two happen? Endowment, the guess is 5, because 5 petals on the Tears of Edgli, 5 Visions, 5x5 Returned palaces, 5 Scholars. No idea on Autonomy.
Karger he/him Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, RShara said: Endowment, the guess is 5, because 5 petals on the Tears of Edgli, 5 Visions, 5x5 Returned palaces, 5 Scholars. No idea on Autonomy. But there are at least 10 hightenings most flowers on earth also have five petals, returned go one week or seven days on a breath... I would not say that is anything like certain.
RShara she/her Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, Karger said: But there are at least 10 hightenings most flowers on earth also have five petals, returned go one week or seven days on a breath... I would not say that is anything like certain. I did say "guess." Heightenings are 5x2, at least.
DiePie Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, RShara said: I did say "guess." Heightenings are 5x2, at least. That's all the Heightenings we know, because, surprisingly enough, stealing the souls of over 50,000 people is difficult
GoWibble he/him Posted March 9, 2020 Posted March 9, 2020 here is a topic that I had a while ago for this subject:
Honorless he/him Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 There's a really good old Topic about this by @Tempus:
Elegy he/him Posted March 10, 2020 Posted March 10, 2020 21 hours ago, Karger said: But there are at least 10 hightenings most flowers on earth also have five petals, returned go one week or seven days on a breath... I would not say that is anything like certain. Isaac mentioned in one of the Livestreams that he chose the five petals for the Nalthis symbol deliberately because the number 5 is of significance. Brandon sat there just going on signing and didn't show much of a reaction. It's not certain, but lets say it's highly likely. Regarding Autonomy, the number 1 isn't only not confirmed, I think it's the most unlikely number of all, since "oneness" is the furthest from the diversity which seems to be Autonomy's theme. 8 is much more present in White Sand, but I like the thought that it's actually 2 (and multiples), based on the two sides of Taldain, the general theme of division going on with Autonomy in the cosmere (into avatars and such), stuff like that. It's just a guess though. Sel has a very dominant theme based around the number 3. It should also be added that it's not clear whether the number is a result of the Shard's influence, the planet or a combination of both: Quote Herald (paraphrased) Is there more significance to the 10 other planets around the Rosharan star system and them being gaseous? We know that Roshar's moons have unnatural orbits; so there seems to be some astronomical manipulation in the system. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes there is significance of 16 in cosmere and 10 in Rosharan system. Herald (paraphrased) The outer 10 gas giants in the Rosharan system suggest a tie to the number 10 that predates the arrival of the current Shards. Is the prominent numerology we see around the cosmere an inherent property of the planets, rather than the Shards who invest them? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Big RAFO. Herald (paraphrased) Would Ashyn/Braize share the 10-centric numerology of Roshar? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes 10-centric is for the entire Rosharan planetary system...wait Braize is 9-centric. Arcanum Unbounded San Francisco signing (Nov. 30, 2016) The number 10 is commonly associated with Honor in the fandom, but there's really no reason why all the worlds in the system would adapt Honor's number instead of Cultivation's. I think 10 is just the number of the system (bar Braize) beinh influenced by these two Shards, not of one Shard or the other. 2
+ILuvHats he/him Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 21 hours ago, Elegy said: Sel has a very dominant theme based around the number 3. How is 3 important on Sel? I can think of 3 empires on different continents, but that’s it. What other examples of 3 are you thinking of?
Elegy he/him Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, ILuvHats said: How is 3 important on Sel? I can think of 3 empires on different continents, but that’s it. What other examples of 3 are you thinking of? It's mostly a formatting thing of the Elantris novel (similar to how there's going to be 10 Stormlight books etc) that originally made me think this. From the Coppermind Elantris trivia section: Quote Elantris was written in a chapter triad system, rotating the primary viewpoints from Raoden to Sarene to Hrathen. Part 1 and Part 2 each contained 27 chapters, or 9 triads. The triad structure broke down in Part 3, which consisted of 9 chapters. Then, as you mentioned, the three continents/three empires, but also the Aons usually having three phonemes, which also makes all those important words work in a similar way, like Dor, Aon, Sel itself. Then a few reasons that are admittedly rather esoteric,, like the Dor acting as the "third" thing that was a result of Devotion and Dominion mixing, rather than what happened to Preservation and Ruin, which are still not fully combined. I'm sure I overlooked an important one, but I can't seem to remember . . . Anyway, "very dominant", as I phrased it, is admittedly a stretch, but it's present, especially considering that Brandon went such great lengths to make the whole book 3-based. 2
Frustration Posted March 11, 2020 Posted March 11, 2020 On 3/9/2020 at 0:37 PM, Killuthion said: What is it about the Number ten on Roshar. Their are ten orders of radiants and ten honor blades and ten essences and ten surges. Ten Oathgates, Oathgates are ten feet tall, ten gems.
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