Frustration Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Karger said: Was I not clear? No, you where but from his response I don't think he understood.
Karger he/him Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 Just now, Booknerd said: No, you where but from his response I don't think he understood. Thanks. I can be unclear sometimes.
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, Booknerd said: What @Karger means is why not just use Bendalloy. I already explained that too.
Bigmikey357 he/him Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 The Cadmium bubble can be as big as a small room, the Bendalloy max size is about 3 or 4 feet around. But the nature of the time dilation is going to make metal manipulation difficult. Scenario 1, the Mistborn launches his coins, horseshoes, ball bearings, whatever at the motionless (from his perspective) Radiant from inside normal time. The Radiant is on the other side of the room. As soon as those projectiles cross the time barrier there is no way to know where those projectiles are going to end up. Some might even end up shooting back at the Mistborn. And since pushes and pulls fan outward from the Mistborn center of gravity it's going to be near impossible to put a bullet on the correct trajectory. So everything misses. Scenario 2, the same thing only the Mistborn nails the timing and Radiant is only inches away from the Bendalloy barrier. The ricochet problem is somewhat mitigated, accuracy may be higher but if the Radiant is protected then glancing shots aren't going to be enough to overcome the Plate defense. There's no guarantee that solid shot will manifest in the time it takes for your Bendalloy to burn away. In fact, nothing solid that crosses that barrier is going to have a good time. So that could be a good defense for the Mistborn if they can really pinpoint the timing. As the Radiant swings fist or sword or whatever, arrange it so that the strike has to pass through the fast time envelope. It likely will break that arm or screw up that sprenblade. But this isn't entry level usage of this power, one must be a master. But if the Radiant is close it's going to be hard to generate the momentum it takes to shatter plate. Scenario 3, Mistborn is sitting pretty in his Bendalloy bubble, the Radiant is stuck in his Cadmium flytrap, the Mistborn starts manipulation of metals that are inside the Cadmium bubble and not in the Bendalloy one. That one is problematic because those objects are still moving in slow time too. The best you can probably accomplish is to initiate the pull towards yourself. That gives you a little time but pushes and pulls aren't all that precise even when you don't factor in time tricks. It may be different if one could adjust time within a made bubble but I don't think that's possible. Scenario 4, let's play Cadmium nesting dolls. Step 1, pop the big bubble. Step 2, pop a smaller Cad bubble as the Radiant closes in. Step 3, Pop the Bend bubble before the Radiant kills you. Step 4, manipulate the metal in the outer perimeter to smash against the Radiant. Step 5, drop both Cad bubbles so nothing crosses a barrier. Last step, drop the Bend bubble and clear the debris fallout area. This is a trap scenario, requires the Mistborn to use environment to their advantage. Probably won't work in all cases and if anything is mistimed the dude dies. 1
Karger he/him Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: I already explained that too. Well we did not get it so if you could pretend we are five year olds that would be great. 7 minutes ago, Bigmikey357 said: the Radiant is stuck in his Cadmium flytrap But why? Isn't the Radiant not already basically motionless from Mistborn perspective. Since Cadmium will slow them both down equally it is not like you gain anything. 9 minutes ago, Bigmikey357 said: Scenario 4, let's play Cadmium nesting dolls. Step 1, pop the big bubble. Step 2, pop a smaller Cad bubble as the Radiant closes in Can you even do multiple bubbles?
NameIess Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 The reason Wax hasn't done the speed bubble trick is that he only has steel, not iron and steel. Considering what Kelsier could do with a few dozen pieces of metal at the same time, an average Mistborn could at least do that with one or two.
Frustration Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Nameless said: The reason Wax hasn't done the speed bubble trick is that he only has steel, not iron and steel. Considering what Kelsier could do with a few dozen pieces of metal at the same time, an average Mistborn could at least do that with one or two. He could still use buttons or other things on the outside.
NameIess Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 13 hours ago, Booknerd said: He could still use buttons or other things on the outside. Buttons? When is Wax ever in a position were he can set up devices activated by buttons?
Frustration Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 57 minutes ago, Nameless said: Buttons? When is Wax ever in a position were he can set up devices activated by buttons? Vest, or jacket buttons not keyboard
NameIess Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Booknerd said: Vest, or jacket buttons not keyboard Wax couldn't maneuver them easily or at all without iron.
Ripheus23 Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 Elsa can summon a lot of ice stuff, but I think a Mistborn would still defeat her.
Frustration Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ripheus23 said: Elsa can summon a lot of ice stuff, but I think a Mistborn would still defeat her. If there is a "think" in there, I'm going to have to question your judgement.
Ripheus23 Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, Frustration said: If there is a "think" in there, I'm going to have to question your judgement. Don't worry, my judgments mainly take the forms of questions rather than assertions, and as a self-questioning question is even more peculiar-sounding of a thing, then...
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