Helaran's shardblade

[TheBFG37 he/him]

It's been a while since I've read Oathbringer so I may have forgotten but does anyone know what happened to Helaran's shardblade after Amaram died?

[Steel Inquisitive he/him]

It is Rock's now, I believe.

[TheBFG37 he/him]

Just now, Steel Inquisitive said:

It is Rock's now, I believe.

Okay, but as a Radiant, he won't be able to bond with or wield it. Plus he is a pacifist and won't fight anyway. So who would he give it to?

[Steel Inquisitive he/him]

1 hour ago, TheBFG37 said:

Okay, but as a Radiant, he won't be able to bond with or wield it. Plus he is a pacifist and won't fight anyway. So who would he give it to?

Remains to be seen.

[Karger he/him]

6 hours ago, TheBFG37 said:

Okay, but as a Radiant, he won't be able to bond with or wield it. Plus he is a pacifist and won't fight anyway. So who would he give it to?

He is a squire.  He might be able to use it.  Also he could gift it to someone else.  I personally think that just showing up with it will grant him the title of King Overlooked Stone!

[Honorless he/him]

Well since there's going to be some action on the Horneater Peaks with Cultivation's Perpendicularity and Moelach, and the Horneaters did want some Shards too, I think the Shardblade might end up being relevant to the plot in the upcoming book.

Edited December 20, 2019 by Honorless

[Quantus he/him]

7 hours ago, Ookla the Prolific said:

He is a squire.  He might be able to use it.  Also he could gift it to someone else.  I personally think that just showing up with it will grant him the title of King Overlooked Stone!

Im not convinced he doesnt already have that title.  He's hiding something...

BTW, Amaram had two blade and a set of Plate when Rock killed him, does that mean he gets them all?

[Szeth he/him]

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Ingeniator said:

Im not convinced he doesnt already have that title.  He's hiding something...

BTW, Amaram had two blade and a set of Plate when Rock killed him, does that mean he gets them all?

Amaram had Oathbringer and Helaran's blade, Rock returned Oathbringer to Dalinar at the end of the book despite the latter's protests that it was no longer his, and I'm not sure if they said what happened to the plate.

[Quantus he/him]

4 minutes ago, Szeth said:

Amaram had Oathbringer and Helaran's blade, Rock returned Oathbringer to Dalinar at the end of the book despite the latter's protests that it was no longer his, and I'm not sure if they said what happened to the plate.

Oh thats right, he returned it since Dalinar traded it for all the Bridgeman's lives that time. Thanks.

The plate seems like something that would be more palatable to Rock than the blade.   I think we can reasonably assume that it's in Bridge 4's keeping at the moment, even if Rock is ambivalent.  

[Zapata]

2 hours ago, Ookla the Ingeniator said:

Oh thats right, he returned it since Dalinar traded it for all the Bridgeman's lives that time. Thanks.

The plate seems like something that would be more palatable to Rock than the blade.   I think we can reasonably assume that it's in Bridge 4's keeping at the moment, even if Rock is ambivalent.  

Bridge 4 probably has Helaran's shards, although Kaladin might not like it

[+Invocation]

2 hours ago, Szeth said:

I'm not sure if they said what happened to the plate.

Wasn't it destroyed with Amaram's whole transformation thing obliterating the pieces? Not sure if you could grow it back from an incomplete chunk of one section.

[Quantus he/him]

13 minutes ago, Invocation said:

Wasn't it destroyed with Amaram's whole transformation thing obliterating the pieces? Not sure if you could grow it back from an incomplete chunk of one section.

You can, it was mentioned specifically a few times.  It's a tactical issue, you can grow the whole set from a single piece if you feed it enough Stormlight, so leaving a chunk behind can cost you your plate; you have to feed it more than the other guy, and have more of the total.  Otherwise the redundant pieces you have will just fall to dust.

 

 

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Shardplate, I know that you need to put Stormlight into it to regenerate it from a piece. Why can enemies not do that? Is it a thing that only the owner can do? 

Brandon Sanderson

We haven't dug into this in the books, but if you've got a piece... If you've got pieces you can regenerate it, and if multiple people are trying to regenerate different pieces there is kind of a sort of tug-of-war that goes on there. And certain things are involved in whoever ends up regenerating it. One thing is how much of it you have, but another is how much Stormlight, and things like this. It is possible to steal a piece of someone's Shardplate and start a little war over it that way. 

Orem signing (March 10, 2018)

 

 

[+Invocation]

4 minutes ago, Ookla the Ingeniator said:

You can, it was mentioned specifically a few times.  It's a tactical issue, you can grow the whole set from a single piece if you feed it enough Stormlight, so leaving a chunk behind can cost you your plate; you have to feed it more than the other guy, and have more of the total.  Otherwise the redundant pieces you have will just fall to dust.

I know you can do it from one piece of a set, but a piece of a piece is more what I'm talking about. One of the shattered fragments. Would it retain enough Connection to the rest (or have the ability to store enough Stormlight in it to do this) to regrow?

[Quantus he/him]

2 minutes ago, Invocation said:

I know you can do it from one piece of a set, but a piece of a piece is more what I'm talking about. One of the shattered fragments. Would it retain enough Connection to the rest (or have the ability to store enough Stormlight in it to do this) to regrow?

If nobody else was feeding it, technically yes, but I think the rest of the suit would basically need to have been left with empty gems for you to stand a chance of winning the contest.  Thought I could see a really complicated heist scheme involving the Weeping and a Perfect Gem, or maybe Cultivation's perpendicularity.  

[Karger he/him]

4 hours ago, Ookla the Ingeniator said:

Im not convinced he doesnt already have that title.  He's hiding something...

He claims to have been just a servant he was actually a guard but people in his family died moving him up the ranks to third then to first son.  In most cultures the first son inherits.  However Rock also mentions that they don't have a king yet(that is why his brother wanted a blade).

[Quantus he/him]

20 minutes ago, Ookla the Prolific said:

He claims to have been just a servant he was actually a guard but people in his family died moving him up the ranks to third then to first son.  In most cultures the first son inherits.  However Rock also mentions that they don't have a king yet(that is why his brother wanted a blade).

 

His wife also starts to say something about his new position but he hushes her, which I think would have been about him being King

[Karger he/him]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Ingeniator said:

His wife also starts to say something about his new position but he hushes her, which I think would have been about him being King

He also claims that they have not had a king in many years and this is why they want a shardblade.  His family is clearly important but if they had a king Sigzil would know.

[Szeth he/him]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Prolific said:

He also claims that they have not had a king in many years and this is why they want a shardblade.  His family is clearly important but if they had a king Sigzil would know.

My current guess is this: He was the fourth son of a noble family and learned to fight, his older brother died and he became the "cook" of the family by moving up in importance. When his brother is killed and the group he's with are either killed or enslaved by Sadeas he then becomes the eldest brother and essentially prince of his group. Then his association with the Knights and then his acquisition of a shardblade elevate him further to potential king of the Horneaters.