StealthPrincess she/her Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 1. In the Cosmere (I’m assuming anyone could travel to different planets through the Cognitive Realm - that doesn’t make them a Worldhopper though right?) and what about the perpendicularities on each planet? (I’m assuming there needs to be Intent?) 2. On Earth
Zapata Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 In the cosmere: as far as I'm aware, just travelling to a different planet's subastral is enough to be considered a worldhopper. Also, travel through a perpendicularity most likely requires intent. (Elantris and Oathbringer spoilers) Spoiler Riino (aka the 'so very beautiful' Hoed) led Raoden to the pool (perpendicularity), and he most likely knew what it was, at least subconsciously, so when he dissolved, he was transported to the Cognitive Realm. Raoden later is tempted to dissolve in the pool, but he states that the pool can only take him if he lets it. Riino later shows up on Roshar in Shadesmar. There is no indication he left the Cognitive Realm since the events of Elantris, yet he is considered a worldhopper. On earth, who knows? it's not part of the cosmere, so earth-worldhopping would be ordinary space travel, I guess. 1
StealthPrincess she/her Posted December 19, 2019 Author Posted December 19, 2019 18 minutes ago, Bearer of Agonies said: In the cosmere: as far as I'm aware, just travelling to a different planet's subastral is enough to be considered a worldhopper. Also, travel through a perpendicularity most likely requires intent. (Elantris and Oathbringer spoilers) Reveal hidden contents Riino (aka the 'so very beautiful' Hoed) led Raoden to the pool (perpendicularity), and he most likely knew what it was, at least subconsciously, so when he dissolved, he was transported to the Cognitive Realm. Raoden later is tempted to dissolve in the pool, but he states that the pool can only take him if he lets it. Riino later shows up on Roshar in Shadesmar. There is no indication he left the Cognitive Realm since the events of Elantris, yet he is considered a worldhopper. On earth, who knows? it's not part of the cosmere, so earth-worldhopping would be ordinary space travel, I guess. What gives woldhoppers their increased life span though? Just through the act of travelling? Regarding perpendicularities, is it enough to have Intent to travel, or do you need to have a destination in mind? How would you know that there even are other worlds?
Karger he/him Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, StealthPrincess said: What gives woldhoppers their increased life span though? Just through the act of travelling? They have access to various forms of immortality. If you worldhop over to Nalthis you can strait up buy some. However what you are most often seeing is time dilation. We do not know how this works but some worldhoppers can make time move slower for themselves allowing them to skip long periods of time. 22 minutes ago, StealthPrincess said: Regarding perpendicularities, is it enough to have Intent to travel, or do you need to have a destination in mind? How would you know that there even are other worlds? Have you read Oathbringer? There is a scene with Honor's perpendicularity. You just go to the corresponding point on the other plane of existence. Edited December 19, 2019 by Ookla the Prolific 1
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Ookla the Prolific said: Have you read Oathbringer? There is a scene with Honor's perpendicularity. You just go to the corresponding point on the other plane of existencE But what they are doing at the end of OB is not worldhopping. But if they had the intention to go elsewhere, Could they have at the end of OB use the same perpendicularity to go to say Nalthis? How?
Nathrangking he/him Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, The traveller said: But what they are doing at the end of OB is not worldhopping. But if they had the intention to go elsewhere, Could they have at the end of OB use the same perpendicularity to go to say Nalthis? How? No. A perpendicularity does not equal instantaneous travel. It is a way point to transition from the CR to PR and back. One would still have to travel from point A to B by mundane means. 1
Aon Tia she/her Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, Nathrangking said: No. A perpendicularity does not equal instantaneous travel. It is a way point to transition from the CR to PR and back. One would still have to travel from point A to B by mundane means. That does for the way Azure describes it in the OB. So, worldhoppers walk all the way from their planet’s CR to other planet’s CR? Or do you think there are some interplanetary public transports available, a CR train or cabs or helis!
Nathrangking he/him Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) Questioner I have a question about the cosmere, and Hoid specifically. The way that he is worldhopping, is he using Cognitive and *inaudible* Realms? Brandon Sanderson The times you have seen him worldhop, it has involved shardpools, or perpendicularities, as we call them. He is using primarily the Cognitive Realm. Questioner Because, from what I understood from Secret History, that he's going through the shardpool, from the Cognitive to the normal Realm. Brandon Sanderson Yeah, he's traveling through the Cognitive Realm, and then jumping back to the Physical one, once he's where he wants to go. Questioner So, I'm guessing what's going on, though, is that he's travelling between planets using the Cognitive and coming out from the shardpool to the Physical Realm? Brandon Sanderson Yes, that is exactly right. Barnes & Noble B-Fest 2016 (June 11, 2016) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See also footnotes 21 and 22 https://coppermind.net/wiki/Vivenna Edited December 19, 2019 by Nathrangking
Honorless he/him Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 So far we've only seen one method of Worldhopping, via Perpendicularities. The Surge of Transportation can do that too, that's how the Shadesmar map was plotted but without a method to get the spren off-world that's not true Worldhopping as they were merely in the space between worlds, looking in from the edge. As for the seemingly agelessness among them, various methods are being used by various different Worldhoppers. Some have long lifespans, some are experiencing time differently, some are truly immortal, some are various mixes of various different powers.
Karger he/him Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, The traveller said: That does for the way Azure describes it in the OB. So, worldhoppers walk all the way from their planet’s CR to other planet’s CR? Or do you think there are some interplanetary public transports available, a CR train or cabs or helis! We saw boats but yeah basically. Space does not manifest in the CR so all that empty vacuum can be bypassed. 1
Honorless he/him Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, The traveller said: But what they are doing at the end of OB is not worldhopping. But if they had the intention to go elsewhere, Could they have at the end of OB use the same perpendicularity to go to say Nalthis? How? Yeah, in Secret History Kelsier walked from Scadrial's Cognitive to the border of a different Shardworld. Nalthis' subastral borders Roshar's Shadesmar (it's called the Expanse of Vibrance), so yeah travel is relatively easy between the two.
Pathfinder Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 As per WoB, when the heralds and co traveled from Ashyn to Roshar, they used magic that was instantaneous like the oathgates. His words. So there are other options than walking through the cognitive realm. We just have not seen them on screen yet.
Tglassy Posted December 19, 2019 Posted December 19, 2019 Well, the Oathgates allow for instantaneous transfer from one place to the other by use of Spren and Stormlight. So there must be a way to do it.
Zapata Posted December 20, 2019 Posted December 20, 2019 21 hours ago, Tglassy said: Well, the Oathgates allow for instantaneous transfer from one place to the other by use of Spren and Stormlight. So there must be a way to do it. considering that, although it takes a Radiant to activate the Oathgate, anyone can be transported by them, you'd think there would be more Rosharan worldhoppers, since travel to the Cognitive Realm is relatively easy compared to many planets. Radiants might have difficulty leaving, but other people could leave just by being transported to Shadesmar.
Quantus he/him Posted December 20, 2019 Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/19/2019 at 0:44 PM, Pathfinder said: As per WoB, when the heralds and co traveled from Ashyn to Roshar, they used magic that was instantaneous like the oathgates. His words. So there are other options than walking through the cognitive realm. We just have not seen them on screen yet. Well... Sort of, but he very specifically said he hadnt actually locked it down yet, and might have to default to Shadesmar travel of he cant get it to work. That to me implies that it's realmic foundation is still a bit shaky. That being said I do agree with your core point. We're aware of instantaneous travel capabilities in AonDor, and Im assuming there are at least dedicated Breath commands needed to open the Perpendicularity on Nalthis. Quote Questioner Did humans come to Roshar through Shadesmar? Brandon Sanderson It is technology or magic closer to how the Oathgates work. But it was like that. It's not canon but right now that's what I have. It's not canon because there are certain things I have to work out before that can work... By the way I'll just say to the tape recording that I haven't canonized, like for instance if they traveled to Shadesmar to get to Shinovar from Ashyn. Right now I have that not being via Shadesmar, but the mechanics of that might not work out, and I might have to default to Shadesmar. So there's certain things, you'll see, where I say, "This isn't the canon answer, it's where I have things right now." Overlord Jebus So Urithiru might end up being a spaceship after all. Brandon Sanderson It's not that. Right now I have them using something closer to Oathgating, but it opens up a huge can of worms, when I'm not requiring direct-- When I'm sending through Spiritual Realm it opens up cans of worms, and I have to just make sure the mechanics on that are tight before I do it. Emerald City Comic Con 2018 (March 1, 2018) 1
SzethIsBadAsHell he/him Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/18/2019 at 9:30 PM, StealthPrincess said: Riino (aka the 'so very beautiful' Hoed) led Raoden to the pool (perpendicularity), and he most likely knew what it was, at least subconsciously, so when he dissolved, he was transported to the Cognitive Realm. Raoden later is tempted to dissolve in the pool, but he states that the pool can only take him if he lets it. Riino later shows up on Roshar in Shadesmar. There is no indication he left the Cognitive Realm since the events of Elantris, yet he is considered a worldhopper. I’m confused by this . I thought anyone who went into Elantrians perpendicularity without the intent of traveling died and was dissolved . So your telling that guy actually lived . What was his name in Oathbringer . I don’t recall an Elantrian in shadesmar ?
Fezzik Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 11:12 AM, SzethIsBadAsHell said: So your telling that guy actually lived . What was his name in Oathbringer . I don’t recall an Elantrian in shadesmar ? Riino operated a lighthouse in shadesmar. Kaladin met him and said he was Shin-looking.
Zapata Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 0:12 PM, SzethIsBadAsHell said: I’m confused by this . I thought anyone who went into Elantrians perpendicularity without the intent of traveling died and was dissolved . Well, we don’t know that. We have seen four people enter the pool: Riino, Saolin, Raoden, and Hoid. we know that Riino and Hoid were transported to the CR, and Raoden got back out in the PR. We have no idea what happened to Saolin. I believe that the pool actually did not kill Elantrians at all, and Raoden interpreted the picture wrong. I think it is just a perpendicularly, and served no function other than transport to the CR. However, my theory depends on what happened to Saolin.
Gilphon Posted December 23, 2019 Posted December 23, 2019 I mean, considering what the CR is like on Sel, being transported to the CR there would kill most people. But yes, Raoden almost certainly misinterpreted the picture- and reasonably but incorrectly assumed when somebody disappears within the pool, they get dissolved. Riino being alive and well in Shadesmar pretty much confirms he made a mistake.
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