Straw he/him Posted August 11, 2019 Author Posted August 11, 2019 Nevene had been afraid of the Inquisitor ever since she'd come to Luthadel. She had seen how dangerous they were, and had planned countless ways to escape them. However, Nevene unexpectedly came under attack from the people she had been hiding with, a motley mix of skaa and nobles. As the cheering crowd tore her to pieces, Nevene could only think about the irony of the situation. Devotary of Spontaneity has died! They were a Vanilla. Vote Count: Devotary of Spontaneity (5): Haelbarde, Burnt Spaghetti, Doc12, Elandera, Fifth Scholar Doc12 (2): Sart, STINK GM Notes: PMs are open. The Night will end on August 12th, at 4:00 PM EST. No one is currently in immediate danger of dying from the activity filter. Player List: Spoiler 1. Haelbarde (Spar) 2. Burnt Spaghetti (Opal Ghetti) 3. Snipexe (Cutting Bored) 4. StrikerEZ (Variel) Unsnapped 5. Araris Valerian (Hadrian Penrod) Unsnapped 6. Lumgol (Teraval) 7. Ax's Boyfriend (Voidapple) Vanilla 8. shanerockes (Bill) 9. Doc12 (Galen Aurette) 10. Randuir (Eliza Deveill) Vanilla 11. Amanuensis (MaiKaal) Soother 12. BrightnessRadiant (TBA) Elandera (TBA) 13. Fifth Scholar (Lerdar) 14. Devotary of Spontaneity (Nevene) Vanilla 15. Rathmaskal (Rebelmaskal) 16. Young Bard (Beattie Buvidas) 17. Sart (TBA) 18. STINK (Fonar Redacted) 3
STINK he/him Posted August 11, 2019 Posted August 11, 2019 I know I'm meant to read the lynch results and be all 'oh no' and that it could be stopped etc etc But I'm seriously concerned 'bout a seeker trust group that can't really be stopped. So yeah. RIP Nevene
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 Welp that was the only idea I had. Now I'm scared. This is when things go bad. So many publicly claimed mistings. Oh boy. Ruin spare us. Also that tag? Siiiiiiiiiiiiigh i groan at thee sire.
Young Bard he/him Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 Hmmm... That's disappointing - as Burnt said, the odds are high that a Misting will die tonight, which means that next cycle is the last cycle we can catch the Inquisitor before they have the ability to convert again. (I'm actually not all that convinced that the Inquisitor converting again would be a bad thing - that way we can search for interactions and the game can be a bit less of a lost cause for the Inquisitors.) Also, sorry I wasn't around much basically at all this day turn, I just got busy/tired. I should be more active from hereon out.
Snipexe he/him Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 I think it’s safe to assume Sart, Lum, or I die tonight, but whoever lives is unlikely to be a convert so they can be killed for future conversions. (Lum could be though, depending on how it works out)
Elandera she/her Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) Alright. It's finally time for my long-promised analysis reprisal. D3 Fifth Spoiler This post gives me definite village leanings for urging Lurcher to not contact him, and for urging convert!Rand to claim his Mistborn ability Convert!Rand Spoiler Reads from Rand: Hael: Playing safe, but casts minor suspicion for apology to Lum. Slight inquisitor leanBurnt: Likely active in PMs, no readSnip: Neutral read for general lack of activity, states uninformed vote likely sign of villageArarisLum: Minor suspicion for vote on Aman D1RayShane: Defensive posts, but low activityDoc12: Low post count, odd votes and apologies with those votes “I have little doubt that as the game continues Doc will post more and their alignment will eventually become clear.” This is an odd statement. Not sure if it’s distancing or an attempted set-up DevotaryRath: Neutral read, earlier post worded strangely which could be self-conscious elim, or oblivious villageBard: Slight village lean for openness, but concerned about ruling people out for inquisitor possibilitiesSart: No read for low post countStink: “Acting like STINK” Overall, vague on pretty much everyone. Possible distancing from a few players (Doc, Bard, and Hael all fit into possibilities that Devotary suggested at end of D5) Hael Spoiler Respond’s to Rand’s analysis. Explanation makes me lean village, since I feel the same way. However, I feel that way a lot as elim, too. So it’s a slight village lean. Still considering a Stink lynch for non-game-related PM content, but doesn’t vote in that direction. The push for game-related content is village-y, but it gives me a bad gut read. Like he’s fishing for a reason to mislynch Snipexe Spoiler Votes on Fifth out of fear of a WGG. This seems like a dangerous move for an elim, to attack and then immediately try to lynch when it failed. Slight village lean Doc Spoiler First to vote on convert!Rand after getting info through the PM chain. NAI, as later discussed Points out he was the second vote on Rand D2 prior to Mistborn claim. Why are we clearing Rath for this and not Doc? Stink Spoiler This could just be Stink (haven’t played enough with him to know), but he almost sounds disgruntled at having Rand revealed. NAI, because Stink. N3 Doc Spoiler Responds to Fifth’s suspicions. I largely agree with him that his votes don’t line up with being an Inquisitor. Why be the second vote on a teammate when that would put him in direct threat of lynch? Vote count at the time: Shanerockes - Rand Araris - Sart Bard (2) - Rath, Araris Hael - Bard Rand (2) - Fifth, Doc Doc forced a tie between Rand and Bard with only about three hours left in the turn. This is largely why I don’t suspect him. D4 Vote Count/Order Spoiler Lumgol (Elandera) Doc (Araris) Devotary (Sart) Doc (Hael) Doc (Doc) Doc (Fifth) Doc, Ray (Doc) Doc, Snipexe (Araris) Bard (Rath) Snipexe, Ray (Araris) Ray (Devotary) Lumgol (1) - Elandera Devotary (1) - Sart Doc (2) - Hael, Fifth Ray (3) - Doc, Araris, Ray Bard (1) - Rath Result: Ax's Boyfriend (3): Doc12, Araris Valerian, Devotary of Spontaneity Doc12 (2): Haelbarde, Fifth Scholar Lumgol (1): Elandera Devotary of Spontaneity (1): Sart Young Bard (1): Rathmaskal Hael Spoiler I largely disagree with the arguments he has with lynching Doc. It seems to be based on why he was awake at 3 a.m. As someone who frequently struggles sleeping (and checks the Shard too often if rollover is when I should be sleeping), this seems like all the wrong reasons to be suspicious. Slight elim read for this. Doc Spoiler This post just seems like an honest villager plea to me. I don’t know Doc well enough, but it doesn’t seem his style to say such things in order to not be lynched as an elim. “When I asked who else he'd told, he said he would tell Stink he said something to me as insurance.” Has anyone looked into this? Could also be a set-up on Stink (see below under Araris’ section) Araris Spoiler States his vote on Doc was because of analysis of Rand. I highly disagree with this as well. Rand could easily have been trying to set up Doc, knowing how the PM claim thing went down. Creating such strong (cooperative) ties with Doc doesn’t seem like something Rand would do if they were teammates. Also clears Bard because he was the only village read. Why? Stink Spoiler Non-committal toward the lynch N4 Araris Suggests Fifth might be tunneling on Doc Bard Spoiler Suggests possibly killing a Misting intentionally for a conversion. A bit bold for the Inquisitor to push for publicly. Neutral, because I don’t know if that would be Bard’s style. Phew. That was a lot of formatting. Bleh. Current suspicion list: Elim Hael Bard Stink Neutral Snipexe Lumgol Shane Rath Sart Village Burnt Fifth Doc EDIT (Again, because I accidentally keep hitting the wrong buttons...) Even after reading through everything, I'm still not sure why everyone is suspicious of Doc. Also, has there been a reason (aside from being the only village on a later Rand read list) that we've suddenly cleared Bard? Edited August 12, 2019 by Elandera Accidentally hit ctrl+enter and posted everything before finishing reads. >.< 1
Straw he/him Posted August 12, 2019 Author Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) Opal Ghetti walked away from the graveyard. She had left her spike there to mourn those who had fallen at the hands of Inquisitor. As Opal was about to enter the rest of the city, she turned around and saw a shadowy figure leaving the graveyard, holding the spike she had left. As Opal ran after the figure, she felt a stabbing pain in her back, and fell over dead. Burnt Spaghetti has died! She was a Vanilla! GM Notes: PMs are open. The cycle will end on August 14th, at 4:00 PM EST. I'm going to be busy that day, but I'll see if I can do rollover at the normal time. No one is currently in immediate danger of dying from the activity filter. Parts of the writeup are based on some RP that Burnt sent to the dea doc. If you die you'll get to read it. Tineye Message #1: What do you call a fight between two Coinshots? A Boxing Match Player List: Spoiler 1. Haelbarde (Spar) 2. Burnt Spaghetti (Opal Ghetti) Vanilla 3. Snipexe (Cutting Bored) 4. StrikerEZ (Variel) Unsnapped 5. Araris Valerian (Hadrian Penrod) Unsnapped 6. Lumgol (Teraval) 7. Ax's Boyfriend (Voidapple) Vanilla 8. shanerockes (Bill) 9. Doc12 (Galen Aurette) 10. Randuir (Eliza Deveill) Vanilla 11. Amanuensis (MaiKaal) Soother 12. BrightnessRadiant (TBA) Elandera (TBA) 13. Fifth Scholar (Lerdar) 14. Devotary of Spontaneity (Nevene) Vanilla 15. Rathmaskal (Rebelmaskal) 16. Young Bard (Beattie Buvidas) 17. Sart (TBA) 18. STINK (Fonar Redacted) Edited August 12, 2019 by Straw 3
Sart he/him Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 Big oof for the Inquisitor. Still think it's Snipexe. If it's not him, maybe STINK?
Elandera she/her Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Sart said: Big oof for the Inquisitor. Still think it's Snipexe. If it's not him, maybe STINK? I think I'd still prefer a scan on Snipexe than a lynch, but I'm down for a STINK lynch. He was one of my top suspects from my analysis.
Snipexe he/him Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 So I still have my smoke off, so if a scanner wants to scan me, go ahead. I’m still a bit suspicious of Sart, and I’d maybe rather have a scan on him, but overall I’m just confused. There can’t be that many lurchers right? Why isn’t the inquisitor targeting us?
shanerockes Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Snipexe said: There can’t be that many lurchers right? Why isn’t the inquisitor targeting us? I think that it may be because they want to be able to have full confidence when they are going to convert.
Elandera she/her Posted August 12, 2019 Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Snipexe said: So I still have my smoke off, so if a scanner wants to scan me, go ahead. I’m still a bit suspicious of Sart, and I’d maybe rather have a scan on him, but overall I’m just confused. There can’t be that many lurchers right? Why isn’t the inquisitor targeting us? It's possible, if it's not one of you and Sart, that they're content to let you keep suspecting the other for the Smoker claims. Not sure why they hit Burnt, though, with Lum's suggested claim.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Quick analysis: -I would rather not lynch any claimed Mistings. -The Inquisitor probably targeted Burnt because she was attacked and protected earlier; perhaps it was suspected that she was a Seeker. Either way, a Misting still isn’t dead and I intend to keep that going. I’m actually glad Burnt was killed, in a very not-glad sort of way (sorry Burnt) because I’d started getting paranoid that she was the Inquisitor within our PM system, as she was admittedly only vanilla. -I’m a little surprised by the number of vanillas in this game. There’s at least five, plus the Inquisitor, if my PM claimants are to be trusted (they probably aren’t). -Has it occurred to anyone that Lum might be the inactive Seeker? I don’t like bringing this up, but we’ve not gotten Seeker results since Rand’s death, which roughly matches her activity schedule. It may be worth noting that we might not be able to rely on our Seeker to catch the Inquisitor, in which case we need to start looking at everyone with fresh eyes. -I’m a little disappointed that there’s no Doc kill. I don’t want to tunnel on him again and have that dominate discussion I guess I’ll broaden my focus today. I’d like to look at Haelbarde, Young Bard, Shanerockes, Elandera, Doc12, STINK as potential Inquisitors, or at least as prime suspects.
Young Bard he/him Posted August 13, 2019 Posted August 13, 2019 Right. It's worth mentioning that Burnt was strangely quiet about their role (or, as it turns out, their lack of one) - they made it clear this cycle that they had no intention of roleclaiming to anyone. I have a suspicion that the Inquisitor might have been one of Burnt's PM buddies, noticed that, and guessed that Burnt was a powerful Misting, maybe even the Mistborn, hence the kill attempts on her two different nights. Which... doesn't narrow down the playing field all that much. But I think that from Fifth's list (and including Fifth themself), that leaves Hael, Doc and Fifth who I know had PM's with Burnt, and Elandera and Stink who may or may not have had active PM's with Burnt, I don't know. Doc I trust - while they've said/done some suspicious stuff, their behaviour just doesn't match up this game with how I'd expect an Inquisitor Doc to make in the same situation. Fifth, I also trust, to a lesser degree mostly because of paranoia. Stink is the mystery of the bunch, and his playstyle makes him extremely hard to read, but when he's around he seems to be generating his own special Stink-flavoured brand of fun, which I don't think he'd need or bother to do so much if he were the Inquisitor, so I doubt it's them as well. Which leaves Hael and Elandera. Which, for me, is a really tough choice. Hael, I personally distrust more, mainly due to process of Elimination, but most of the people I talk to, including Burnt, seemed to think they've been acting fairly villager-y. Elan, on the other hand, has been going against the grain quite a bit in terms of reads and of opinions in thread, and I think the Inquisitor probably wouldn't do that? But then, I wouldn't put it past Elandera for that to be a deliberate tactic to seem like a villager for that very reason, given that they didn't have to worry about incriminating their teammates or any other team dynamics. Overall, I think I trust Elandera slightly less, but that's a placeholder vote that I might change when I have more time to do analysis tomorrow (I felt like I should make some effort to do analysis in both games tonight).
Sart he/him Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 Okay, with less than 24 hours in the cycle, we only have three votes. @Haelbarde In your last suspicion post, you mentioned you had suspicions of both Rath and Elandera. Of the two, who do you view as more suspicious, and would you be willing to put a vote on one of them? @Snipexe You've claimed Smoker in thread. When did you first claim Smoker in your PMs? @Lumgol You mentioned it would be very easy to guess your role. Are you Tineye #2? @shanerockes You've been fairly active in the thread, but you haven't put a vote down in a while. Is anyone in the thread giving you weird vibes? @Doc12 You've mentioned that you trust people who know Misting claims. Could it be possible that the Inquisitor is hunting people who haven't claimed, in order to find more powerful roles? @Elandera You've placed a vote, and I agree with your suspicions. I don't have any questions for you really. @Fifth Scholar Your suspicion list is over half the players. Is there any way you can narrow that down? @Rathmaskal You've waffled on your suspicion on Bard. Has his post today lessened or increased your suspicion of him? @Young Bard You view Elandera as "going against the grain" with her suspicions. Which of her suspicions do you disagree with? @STINK You followed me in voting on Doc. Now that we know Snipexe is the other claimed Smoker, do you suspect him? I'd also like to caution about being hesitant to lynch Misting claims. It's highly likely that if we don't lynch the Inquisitor, we'll lynch a Misting by mistake. There's eleven players left, and we have to have a Lurcher, two Tineyes, and a Seeker, based on known evidence. That's 4/11 roles right there.
Snipexe he/him Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sart said: You've claimed Smoker in thread. When did you first claim Smoker in your PMs? The beginning of the same turn I claimed, though people had narrowed me down rather efficiently in pms to two roles anyway, which smoker was one of.
shanerockes Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 43 minutes ago, Sart said: You've been fairly active in the thread, but you haven't put a vote down in a while. Is anyone in the thread giving you weird vibes? No one in the thread gives me weird vibes and I haven't put a vote down because I just don't think I should vote anyone honestly. Now someone in general gives me weird vibes and that person would be Stink. This is because of my thought process if I were the inquisitor. I would target the people I knew didn't have roles so that when there are lower numbers, I would be able to convert and have a higher chance of winning. The only reason I put my vote onto Stink is because I believe that he has a lot of PM's with people and can get a lot of information.
Haelbarde he/him Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Sart said: Okay, with less than 24 hours in the cycle, we only have three votes. @Haelbarde In your last suspicion post, you mentioned you had suspicions of both Rath and Elandera. Of the two, who do you view as more suspicious, and would you be willing to put a vote on one of them? Haven't much time to look at it since, but of the two I'd probably lean towards putting a vote on Elandera. I'll be out for a little bit but then later tonight I'll review some stuff and post again.
Fifth Scholar he/him Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Sart said: Your suspicion list is over half the players. Is there any way you can narrow that down? My focus is a bit broad, but I don’t want to preclude anyone I’m not sure about. People somewhat seem to be vouching for Bard, and I’ve not gotten much off Hael that would suggest he’s evil; in fact, I’ve got a pretty good village read on him overall, but I simply can’t clear him yet. I could probably strike those two from the list tentatively if we’re trying to approach a vote. Stink is in the same situation, but I trust him a lot less, on top of having literally no clue what he is. However, trying to lynch him is always weird, and since he’s at least reasonably active, we’ll hopefully accrue more content on him over time. Doc is a claimed vanilla, and Shane and Elandera are likely roleless, if Burnt wasn’t deceiving me. I still believe that Doc’s interactions with Rand D2 are weird and potentially a cause for suspicion, and that they don’t clear him in the slightest. I do not plan to vote for him again. Last time this happened, it caused a good deal of frustration, and we need to move conversation forwards instead of rehashing D4’s arguments. If I’m voting on Doc, after his emotional statements, I’ll be doing so after everyone else viable is dead. That leaves Shane and Elandera, and between the two it’s going to have to be the latter, simply because her flip will be more informative than Shane’s. There’s also a few points of suspicion; namely, BR was one of Aman’s top suspects way back in D1, and very much seems like the type to convert Rand; Elandera’s suspicion list, which is almost the opposite of mine; the fact that the Inquisitor tried to hit Burnt, suggesting that they were outside her confidence/PM circles (she’d claimed vanilla to me, at least); and the vote on Stink, which feels like a safe mislynch—I don’t trust Stink, but like our honourable GM, he’s easier to mislynch as a villager because you can automatically suspect him for a chaotic neutral playstyle.
STINK he/him Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 Honestly, this mysterious Seeker at this point is probably just the Inquisitor that bussed Randuir (presumably with consent in their doc) 'cause the Seeker has done nothing else whatsoever in my view. And everyone else keeps trying to play games and be all sneaky in PMs with me cause I ain't handing my role out to any of you people 'cause you asked, you gotta get some trust from me first. So to Shane, who I have talked to frequently in PMs and have only sent around 4 messages containing game talk, your vote on me having information has no basis from our own PM where I don't even know your role. Though from the looks of things, everyone knows nearly everyone's else's roles now. I want to vote for the supposed Seeker unless anyone can give actual evidence that they have Seeked more than once. So in the meantime, Bard
Rathmaskal he/him Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Sart said: @Rathmaskal You've waffled on your suspicion on Bard. Has his post today lessened or increased your suspicion of him? I don't think I've really waffled much on my suspicion. Of the couple people I've done a bit of a deep dive on, Bard still tops the list. The most recent post doesn't do much to affect my opinion either way. Current vote count: Snipexe (1) - Sart Stink (2) - Elandera, shanerocks Elandera (2) - Bard, Fifth Bard (1) - Stink So it seems most people are in the same boat as me, not really having a strong suspicion (so, kudos to you Mr/Mrs Inquisitor) I apologize for being a bit less active the last cycle or so - had some work things come up and was busy over the weekend. Anyway, the next iso I'm going to work on is Fifth - I think it's important to have that information available given Fifth being rather instrumental in the last lynch and Fifth being rather active this game.
Doc12 Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 Man, that extension really stagnated the game, eh? On 8/13/2019 at 9:31 AM, Fifth Scholar said: I’m a little disappointed that there’s no Doc kill. You and me both I'm not sure I like the idea of you holding off voting on me because of my emotional statements though. I'd prefer that you not vote on me because I've convinced you we're on the same side. 10 hours ago, Sart said: You've mentioned that you trust people who know Misting claims. Could it be possible that the Inquisitor is hunting people who haven't claimed, in order to find more powerful roles? I don't know. That reasoning depended on there being an Inquisitor who wanted to convert - and maybe they still do - but I agree that people who know Misting claims shouldn't be exempt from suspicion. 3 hours ago, STINK said: Honestly, this mysterious Seeker at this point is probably just the Inquisitor that bussed Randuir (presumably with consent in their doc) 'cause the Seeker has done nothing else whatsoever in my view. I thought the same for a while. I haven't heard anything from the Seeker either, but as others have repeatedly told me, the Seeker isn't obliged to share their results publicly. I would also like some confirmation that at least something is happening. i guess we're now just shooting in the dark, no use finding justifications, really. I'm pretty sure Fifth, Bard and possibly Rath can be trusted. I want to say Hael too, but can't go that far yet. Sart and Snipexe seem genuine at the moment, especially with Sart calling out people and asking specific questions when no one would have thought twice if he remained silent... The ones I'm really unsure about remain Elandera, Stink and Shane. I suppose I'll vote on Elandera as well...
Haelbarde he/him Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 It hasn't helped there's not been a lot of discussion lately... Aman actually still has the most posts of any player in this game, and he died 5 cycles ago. Burnt was the main person I had PM'd... I got the impression that she had PMd Stink a little, but not consistently. I think she'd PMd most people though, so while I'm sure her PMs got her killed, I not sure there's much we can do to use that to narrow down the inquisitor unless anyone happened to know exactly what she was talking about in all her PMs. In lieu of any better option, I think I'll add my vote to Elandera.
Elandera she/her Posted August 14, 2019 Posted August 14, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 8:11 AM, Young Bard said: Elan, on the other hand, has been going against the grain quite a bit in terms of reads and of opinions in thread, and I think the Inquisitor probably wouldn't do that? But then, I wouldn't put it past Elandera for that to be a deliberate tactic to seem like a villager for that very reason, given that they didn't have to worry about incriminating their teammates or any other team dynamics. Overall, I think I trust Elandera slightly less, but that's a placeholder vote that I might change when I have more time to do analysis tomorrow (I felt like I should make some effort to do analysis in both games tonight). I think a lot of why my reads were so different was because I was stepping in a few days late and had a different perspective on earlier discussions, having not been involved. Some of it was also trying to contribute while still catching up. 7 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said: That leaves Shane and Elandera, and between the two it’s going to have to be the latter, simply because her flip will be more informative than Shane’s. There’s also a few points of suspicion; namely, BR was one of Aman’s top suspects way back in D1, and very much seems like the type to convert Rand; Elandera’s suspicion list, which is almost the opposite of mine; the fact that the Inquisitor tried to hit Burnt, suggesting that they were outside her confidence/PM circles (she’d claimed vanilla to me, at least); and the vote on Stink, which feels like a safe mislynch—I don’t trust Stink, but like our honourable GM, he’s easier to mislynch as a villager because you can automatically suspect him for a chaotic neutral playstyle. I can't really refute the first part. I'd probably lynch me if I weren't me for that reason without any other options. It's part of why I'm voting on Stink. As neutral as they've been, they've contributed more than some of my other suspects. As for BR, that's an unfortunate part about being a pinch hitter. I just know I'm not the Inquisitor, and I don't know why she was a suspect D1. As for Burnt, I had a PM going with her Stink isn't a safe mislynch in my mind. They had a few strange reactions that I found odd. Without any other suspects, it's my best lead.
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