CleverCremling Posted July 7, 2019 Posted July 7, 2019 It might be a bit of a stretch but there is one line in Oathbringer that i am trying to work out. . . Chapter 92 '"I knew a voice like yours once, sword-nimi." The whispers? "No. A single one, in my mind, when I was young"' We know that most 'whispers' in the Cosmere are a result of shardic intervention. Honor seems to be whispering to Dalinar("unite them") maybe Honor has been whispering to Szeth as well? I think Cultivation is a better candidate. Cultivation is fond on pruning. She pruned Dalinar's memories to allow for growth, maybe she has used Szeth to prune Roshar's leaders(he was hired by Taravangian who was influenced by Cultivation). Possibly going to be used to bring the Skybreaker's back on side? I don't know about either of these ideas. We know he is going to get book 5 so he is going to become a major character(at the moment i would say he medium sized character in terms of screen time). This is about this time i think Cultivation is going to make her play against Odium. I think we are going to get Szeth's back story along with a serious Cultivation plan linked in together. Might be a bit Farfetch'd! But you have to admit that line above is interesting! 3
RithmaMists99 he/him Posted July 7, 2019 Posted July 7, 2019 Solid idea, though I've been thinking Lift might be Cultivation's champion due to her visit to the Nightwatcher and unique power set (which includes Awesomeness) 1
CleverCremling Posted July 7, 2019 Author Posted July 7, 2019 Lift fits nicely as well. But, I think we will see the culmination of the shard champions storyline with the end of the first 5 books. Do we know if Lift will get her book in the back 5 and which one it will be? I presumed she would be the edgedancer novel.
Karger he/him Posted July 7, 2019 Posted July 7, 2019 6 hours ago, CleverCremling said: We know that most 'whispers' in the Cosmere are a result of shardic intervention Or insanity. In this case I am going to say that Szeth was talking about his impulses as a teenager.
RithmaMists99 he/him Posted July 7, 2019 Posted July 7, 2019 1 hour ago, CleverCremling said: Lift fits nicely as well. But, I think we will see the culmination of the shard champions storyline with the end of the first 5 books. Do we know if Lift will get her book in the back 5 and which one it will be? I presumed she would be the edgedancer novel. Well Brandon has confirmed her presence in the back 5 books so she is definitely a strong contender for a book to focus on her.
Elegy he/him Posted July 7, 2019 Posted July 7, 2019 1 hour ago, CleverCremling said: Lift fits nicely as well. But, I think we will see the culmination of the shard champions storyline with the end of the first 5 books. Do we know if Lift will get her book in the back 5 and which one it will be? I presumed she would be the edgedancer novel. As it stands now, Lift would be book 6's main character. It's also been said that there's much, much more Lift to come, but she'll be grown-up. 1
Elsecaller_17.5 he/him Posted July 7, 2019 Posted July 7, 2019 I think the most likely candidate for the voice is his high spren. Many Radiants were followed around by their spren for years, and I’m sure that is especially true with skybreakers and high spren since that order was never dissolved. 2
CleverCremling Posted July 8, 2019 Author Posted July 8, 2019 Ok here is another link that might support my theory. We know that Cultivation is associated with art because the lightweavers are heavily of Cultivation... in Way of Kings the second interlude chapter title involving Szeth is called... ‘A Work of Art’. I believe it is when Szeth first meets up with Taravangian, who is being influenced by Cultivation! We know Brandon loves putting in meaningful chapter titles! 1
+Invocation Posted July 8, 2019 Posted July 8, 2019 I honestly think it was just his spren. He was cast out and labelled Truthless for something involving his suspicions of the return of the Knights Radiant and his highspren is very wary around him. That's why he had such a crisis when Kaladin revealed himself as a Radiant in their fight. He probably just did what Shallan did. 2
CleverCremling Posted July 8, 2019 Author Posted July 8, 2019 49 minutes ago, Invocation said: I honestly think it was just his spren. He was cast out and labelled Truthless for something involving his suspicions of the return of the Knights Radiant and his highspren is very wary around him. That's why he had such a crisis when Kaladin revealed himself as a Radiant in their fight. He probably just did what Shallan did. This wouldn’t be a surprise. Lift is obvious choice for Cultivation’s champion, a high spren is the a more simple less interesting(in my opinion) choice for the voice speaking to Szeth. Brandon is the master at making it look one way then it actually being something else. And then the surprise being there as clear as day all along.
RShara she/her Posted July 8, 2019 Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, CleverCremling said: Ok here is another link that might support my theory. We know that Cultivation is associated with art because the lightweavers are heavily of Cultivation... in Way of Kings the second interlude chapter title involving Szeth is called... ‘A Work of Art’. I believe it is when Szeth first meets up with Taravangian, who is being influenced by Cultivation! We know Brandon loves putting in meaningful chapter titles! I don't remember Cultivation and Lightweavers being associated with each other?
CleverCremling Posted July 8, 2019 Author Posted July 8, 2019 On the knights radiant table, the orders associated with honor are at the top, windrunners, skybreakers etc. On the bottom the orders associated with Cultivation, edgedancers, lightweavers etc.
CleverCremling Posted July 8, 2019 Author Posted July 8, 2019 Szeth is described by Taravangian as ‘a work of art’. He could be a work of Cultivation, she could have sculpted him into what he is today. The Clipper’s one uses when cutting back a bush, to make it grow in a certain direction, so to speak.
RShara she/her Posted July 8, 2019 Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, CleverCremling said: On the knights radiant table, the orders associated with honor are at the top, windrunners, skybreakers etc. On the bottom the orders associated with Cultivation, edgedancers, lightweavers etc. Is that confirmed or speculation, though? And also, just because the Knights were, doesn't mean their spren are. Edited July 8, 2019 by RShara
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 8, 2019 Posted July 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, RShara said: Is that confirmed or speculation, though? And also, just because the Knights were, doesn't mean their spren are. It does seem quite likely. Lightweavers seem to revolve around deception and spying, and their oaths are basically admitting their own lies to themselves, which is a painful but effective growing process, and quite similar to what Cultivation did to Dalinar. Also, Edgedancers, who are on that side too, are litterally able to make plants grow. I think it is confirmed that the table is divided by Honor and Cultivation, but even if it isn’t, it is very solid speculation.
Elegy he/him Posted July 8, 2019 Posted July 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: It does seem quite likely. Lightweavers seem to revolve around deception and spying, and their oaths are basically admitting their own lies to themselves, which is a painful but effective growing process, and quite similar to what Cultivation did to Dalinar. Also, Edgedancers, who are on that side too, are litterally able to make plants grow. I think it is confirmed that the table is divided by Honor and Cultivation, but even if it isn’t, it is very solid speculation. It's not confirmed, but very likely. The lower half Orders' Divine Attributes seem to lean towards the respective Shard's Intent, too (so Wisdom, Creativity, etc. as Cultivation-related attributes). That said, I don't think an Order is strictly "of" a certain Shard, except for maybe Bondsmiths (Honor) and Truthwatchers (Cultivation). I imagine there's a smooth transition. But yeah, as likely as it is, it's not a fact (as of yet).
Inky Posted July 8, 2019 Posted July 8, 2019 Idea: Cultivation doesn't have a champion. Why would she? She doesn't seem like the person to bet everything on such a risky deal, and I've always been under the impression that the contest was always between just Odium and Honor?
Karger he/him Posted July 8, 2019 Posted July 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Inky said: Idea: Cultivation doesn't have a champion. Why would she? She doesn't seem like the person to bet everything on such a risky deal, and I've always been under the impression that the contest was always between just Odium and Honor? No Cultivation was helping Seonid If Cultivation and Honor were romantically involved, why did Cultivation not help Honor against Odium? Brandon Sanderson She did.
RShara she/her Posted July 8, 2019 Posted July 8, 2019 Helping doesn't necessarily mean she would have a champion, though.
CleverCremling Posted July 8, 2019 Author Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) Odium has had his eye on Dalinar for the past 30 years we think from reading his flash backs. Szeth is 34, maybe at about the same time, 30 years ago, she decided to cultivate a champion herself. Who better then someone who can train all 10 surges. Timeline wise it’s all quite neat. 7 years ago Szeth is named truthless and forced to leave Shinovar, just in time to kill Gavilar 1 year later(and we all know what he was doing to help Odium). Lift is young and Cultivation is said to be a Long term planner. Lift is going to be big in the back half for sure. But I think it an interesting twist is Szeth was a big part of cultivation’s plan in these first 5 books and I think it fits. Edited July 9, 2019 by CleverCremling 1
bxcnch he/him Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 I don't want to spoil the fun, but the voice Szeth apparently heard in his youth might have been a highspren. They seem to be very good at hiding and Pattern was with Shallan too when she was a child. Also, considering that Dalinar seems to be Honor's champion, I'd imagine a possible champion of Cultivation would be a Nightwatcher-Bondsmith.
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