Kaladin is the wrong person to send behind enemy lines

[Wintersu]

In the brief reading Brandon did this last weekend, he mentioned Kaladin once again behind enemy lines, presumably on a mission to get his family out, potentially to contact and extract our second favorite Herdazian

While I totally get Kaladins desire to perform that mission, he is the wrong person for the job. He’s a Windrunner, and we know from him already doing a similar stunt in Oathbringer that he is unable to use his powers without drawing way to much attention from Fused

A full year after Oathbringer there should be at least three Lightweavers capable of retrieving sensitive personnel from behind enemy lines. Maybe Shallan has a baby and can’t go, but seriously, no Lightweavers available?

Windrunners represent the vast majority of available Surgebinders, but sending one of the very few Windrunners that can lead squires makes our Knights Radiant weaker. A lesson that should have been learned in a post Battle of Thaylen Field world

They need to start using the different Orders for the right jobs. Not every mission is a nail to be hammered with the same skill set

Send Kaladin and some squires, taking a Lightweaver along, as close as possible. The Windrunners stay behind as backup. The Lightweaver goes in, pulls people out, and they all fly to the nearest open Oathgate

This isn’t rocket science. It’s common sense

P.S. Not knocking the authors decisions. The characters have a tendency to make the same mistakes over ad nauseam

[Niteshado he/him]

Windrunners can retrieve people though. They can drop in, Lash someone and themselves, and then dip out. Yes it draws attention from the fused, but lightweavers would do all this by foot, and still end up needing the assistance from the Windrunner, who will still gain attention. Bringing a lightweaver makes more bodies to bring and more possible casualties. 

Overall, Windrunner can cover the most ground in the shortest time. 

Edited April 1, 2019 by Niteshado

[RShara she/her]

Anyway, Kaladin problem insisted. He's got a thing for doing things himself.

[SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword]

I read "behind enemy lines" as recruiting the enemy. He has a whole band of sympathetic Singers to recruit.

[Wintersu]

39 minutes ago, Niteshado said:

Windrunners can retrieve people though. They can drop in, Lash someone and themselves, and then dip out. Yes it draws attention from the fused, but lightweavers would do all this by foot, and still end up needing the assistance from the Windrunner, who will still gain attention. Bringing a lightweaver makes more bodies to bring and more possible casualties. 

Overall, Windrunner can cover the most ground in the shortest time. 

Yes, Lightweavers take longer. That’s a given. If he’s trying to fly people directly out of enemy territory there’s a good chance of them getting killed. Especially if he’s outnumbered

[Subvisual Haze]

Kaladin isn't sent, he pretty much does whatever he feels like.  His force of personality and drive to do what's right coupled with the ability to fly make him a bit hard to order around.  Dalinar is a good leader because he accommodates this by like acting like his previous trip to check in on his family was actually an intelligence mission.

[Winds Alight she/her]

Let's suggest to Kaladin that he remain behind while others go on a trip to Hearthstone. Good luck with that.

Anyway, another point to make: Kaladin most likely's going to befriend at least two (2) people from each side in the conflict and then have a not-so-minor breakdown later on due to this.

Edited April 1, 2019 by Winds Alight

[Wintersu]

23 minutes ago, Winds Alight said:

Anyway, another point to make: Kaladin most likely's going to befriend at least two (2) people from each side in the conflict and then have a not-so-minor breakdown later on due to this.

Ouch, that’s a painful observation. He does repeat himself a lot

[CrazyRioter she/her]

yeah, Kaladin is nothing if not predictable with regard to getting attached to people and taking responsibility for their well-being in a not-very-healthy way.

[Patrick Star]

Holy crap.

I'll bet an emerald broam that Kaladin's going to swear the 4th ideal and leave Lirin to die in order to get Oroden out of there.

[Kramerfarve]

52 minutes ago, Patrick Star said:

Holy crap.

I'll bet an emerald broam that Kaladin's going to swear the 4th ideal and leave Lirin to die in order to get Oroden out of there.

Don’t give the Bandersnatch any more of these terrible ideas! I would break seeing that rust.

[+Invocation]

56 minutes ago, Patrick Star said:

Holy crap.

I'll bet an emerald broam that Kaladin's going to swear the 4th ideal and leave Lirin to die in order to get Oroden out of there.

3 minutes ago, Kramerfarve said:

Don’t give the Bandersnatch any more of these terrible ideas! I would break seeing that rust.

I don't think it'll be Lirin. I think it'll be Hesina, if anyone. Lirin is a fully trained surgeon, Oroden is a child, and Hesina seems to be one to understand that they have to get out above herself. If he has to leave someone, it'll be her.

 

[Wintersu]

1 hour ago, Patrick Star said:

Holy crap.

I'll bet an emerald broam that Kaladin's going to swear the 4th ideal and leave Lirin to die in order to get Oroden out of there.

That hadn’t even crossed my mind.

If the book starts with that, it’s not so much starting with a bang as with a BOOM!

[Patrick Star]

2 hours ago, Invocation said:

I don't think it'll be Lirin. I think it'll be Hesina, if anyone.

Lirin's the (first) one who kept telling Kaladin that he couldn't save everyone.

Lirin's going to finally get that message through Kaladin's thick skull, leading to Kaladin swearing the 4th ideal and getting everyone else to safety.

[+Invocation]

5 minutes ago, Patrick Star said:

Lirin's the (first) one who kept telling Kaladin that he couldn't save everyone.

Lirin's going to finally get that message through Kaladin's thick skull, leading to Kaladin swearing the 4th ideal and getting everyone else to safety.

I would almost be tempted to agree, but Kaladin won't swear it unless he sees someone else, someone who provides for him the same kind of role that he does for Bridge Four, i.e. his father, exemplify the very thing he's attempting to swear to. Lirin will force him to go by dragging him with them, likely because either Hesina is too far gone to save or wishes for it to be that way. Then, when everything comes out somewhat okay, he'll be reassured that he actually can allow things like that to happen, leading him to be able to swear the 4th.

[Gray to he/him]

4 hours ago, Patrick Star said:

Holy crap.

I'll bet an emerald broam that Kaladin's going to swear the 4th ideal and leave Lirin to die in order to get Oroden out of there.

Oh that's dark.

3 hours ago, Invocation said:

I don't think it'll be Lirin. I think it'll be Hesina, if anyone. Lirin is a fully trained surgeon, Oroden is a child, and Hesina seems to be one to understand that they have to get out above herself. If he has to leave someone, it'll be her.

 

Oh that's even more dark! I didnt come here to hear about parents being left behind and be sad. 

 

8 hours ago, Wintersu said:

 potentially to contact and extract our second favorite Herdazian

My mind is blanking. Who is our second favorite herdazian?

[+Invocation]

1 minute ago, Gray to said:

Oh that's even more dark! I didnt come here to hear about parents being left behind and be sad. 

Sorry.

1 minute ago, Gray to said:

My mind is blanking. Who is our second favorite herdazian?

Pretty sure that's the Herdazian general from that one interlude.

[Wintersu]

13 minutes ago, Gray to said:

My mind is blanking. Who is our second favorite herdazian?

The Herdazian General, that wrestles the Greatshell. I think he’s going to be important starting with Rhythm of War.

I'll make another post on the current state of Roshar, and I’ll include him in it. Still pulling references for that post, though

[Karger he/him]

I do think Lirin is going to insist on staying behind.  His patients need him and he is a doctor.  I also think that having Kaladin constantly worried about his parents would ruin his use in the field and give the enemy leverage against him.  Kaladin may or may not be accompanied by at least one lightweaver and maybe several other people we do not know if he is going in solo.  Also I do not think the fused can detect surges.  The screamers detect them and draw the fused to the correct location.  Also also why would the fused have any people at Hearthstone at the moment?  Their numbers are limited and Hearthstone is secure.  Even if their are some they may be allowing fabrial use that will mask radiant presences.  Finally I find Kaladin swearing the forth ideal this early in the book goes contrary to the pattern of the other books.  (I am not saying this could not happen)

[Scion of the Mists]

Good point about Kaladin not being good at stealth missions (just like Vasher!).  

 

@Wintersu You should probably add a Stormlight 4 spoiler tag to the title (by prefacing it with "[SA4]") and maybe reword the title.  Some people are very adamant about not learning anything at all about the books before they're released.  (Not me - I want to know everything as soon as possible!)

[Use the Falchion]

I think Kaladin is one of the best people to send behind enemy lines if you're trying to start insurrections or rebellions. Making friends and alliances comes as naturally as breathing to Kaladin (or so it seems), and he's great at making any group a respectable fighting force with a little help and some time. Besides, most of Bridge 4 seems to be doing pretty good in terms of their own oaths and progression, so they can help out on the front lines while Kaladin goes around the back and starts rebellions there. In terms of stealth and missions of that sort however, you're absolutely right. 

[Lidolas he/him]

On 4/1/2019 at 8:21 PM, Invocation said:

Sorry.

Pretty sure that's the Herdazian general from that one interlude.

No way.  Our My second favorite Herdazian is Palona

[Karger he/him]

21 minutes ago, Lidolas said:

No way.  Our My second favorite Herdazian is Palona

She might be my favorite.  Lets face it she is amazing.