Nomic - A Forum Game

Voidus · April 3, 2019

41 minutes ago, MetaTerminal said:

So do you support abolishing the Literal Rule and applying the Rules Lawyering Rule?

Also, unlike the Literal Rule, the only way to have a severe issue with the Rule Lawyering Rule is that there would need to be an interpretation of the Rules Lawyering Rule than allowed rule lawyering of the Rule Lawyering rule - from there, problems could be leveraged. A subclause of the rule could be implemented such that this is expressly forbidden. Since Rule Lawyering requires taking the literal meaning of a rule, if this was literally forbidden, the damage could be limited.

:3

Yep.

MetaTerminal · April 3, 2019

Excellent. (For this post only, I shall assume that any assumption of a rule’s intentions, as per the Literal Rule, is valid. This is a valid interpretation, as per the Literal Rule.)

I remove the Literal Rule, the Fairness Rule, and the The Slightly Altered Internal Consistency Plea from the Rules. This is in violation of the Voting Clause. I call UNO on myself, and I lose ten Eggs. (It’s only fair.)

I pass the Rule of Activity into the Rules, the Rule Lawyering Rule into the Rules, all amendments to the Rule Lawyering Rule into the Rules, and the Rule of Rules Actually Meaning Something into the Rules, with the understanding that they shall all take effect just after when the next list of rules is either posted or edited into a post. This is in violation of the Voting Clause. I call UNO on myself, and I lose ten Eggs.

New post forthcoming. A number of rules will soon be passed, due to the passing of the Rule of Activity. In addition, this loophole will no longer work due to the Rule of Rules Actually Meaning Something being passed.

I agree to AonEne’s terms for the Eggs, while muttering something under my breath about buying votes and governmental corruption.

:3 :3 :3

Edited April 3, 2019 by MetaTerminal

Vogelsang · April 3, 2019

I propose the Rule of Egg Puns: If someone makes an egg pun that is deemed valid, funny, and relevant by three people besides the poster of said egg pun, that poster will be awarded 46 Eggs.

+Doomstick · April 3, 2019

2 hours ago, Taradiddle said:

I propose the Rule of Egg Puns: If someone makes an egg pun that is deemed valid, funny, and relevant by three people besides the poster of said egg pun, that poster will be awarded 46 Eggs.

I cast my vote for this eggsellent proposal

I propose The Constitution, under this law, the Players will be split into roughly equal parts( groups decided by the president). When voting,group 1 votes, then if it passes, group 2 votes, then if it passes then, the president must pass or veto it. If it is vetoed, the it goes back to the beginning, and must gain a unanimous vote in the first two sections, if not, then it must be proposed again. If it fails in stage one or two, it fails and must be proposed again.

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Blame history class

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Assume from now on that my cat/dog pic is my profile pic

MetaTerminal · April 3, 2019

I withdraw the Rule of Eh from consideration. Thankfully, this doesn’t mess up the numbering system, since I forgot to include it in the listing in the first place.

The Literal Rule, the Fairness Rule, and the The Slightly Altered Internal Consistency Plea have all been removed from the rules, and the Rule Lawyering Rule (to be edited in shortly once I have the amendments sorted out), the Rule of Activity (similarly) and the Rule of Rules Actually Meaning Something have all been passed into effect.

Under the Rule of Activity, the current majority requirement is 6. As a result, the Equal Opportunity Act, Ene’s First Rule, the Rule For Meta’s Sanity, The Act that Concerns the Frequency of Turns and Fair Start have all been passed into effect, alongside the amendment to the Act of Dog Inclusion. The majority will likely continue to drop over the course of the day, meaning more rules will continue to be passed into effect.

I welcome anyone who wants to do Egg counts to do so and to post what they get, as it likely won’t be convenient for me to do so today.

I support rules 81, 84 and 87.

I propose the Rule of Relevancy: that relevant xkcd’s are expressly forbidden on this thread.

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Existing Rules (ie rules that are in effect):

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The Main Idea: Players take turns suggesting rules, or amendments to or the removal of existing rules.
The Voting Clause: Upon a majority vote of more than three players, said amendments or removals are taken into effect. (Note: no rule is exempt from this rule, including this one, unless superseded by another rule.)
The Winning Rule: The winning player shall be the first player that wins. When one player wins, all other players lose.

4. The Points Rule: The winning player shall be the first player to reach one million points.

5. The Equal Opportunity Act: any rule that discriminates based on the identities of players outside of the game (including screenname, rank, etc.) shall be considered invalid.

7. The Unnamed Proposal: just for clarification, voting for amendments should be in red and removals should be in green.

8. The Trading Rule: each player starts with 0 points. Players can give points to other players, or - with the agreement of said other player - ‘trade’ something for points. Once both players agree on the terms, the transfer occurs automatically.

9. Ene’s First Rule: one way for points to be given should be by awarding them to people based on rules of theirs that go into effect, three per rule.

11. Meta’s Clause: That every post that passes judgement (ie votes for or against) a rule must also propose a new rule. Should a vote be made without also proposing a new rule, then said vote is considered void until an associated rule is proposed.

12. First Law of Dapper: Points are to be hereafter refered to as Eggs.

13. Second Law of Dapper: Every ten Eggs you get your Coolness Level goes up by one.

14. Third Law of Dapper: Each Coolness Level make you cooler.

15. The Act of Animal Inclusion: Every post from here on out must have an image of a dog in it, real or fake, picture or gif, wordless or meme, so long as it's not inappropriate. The Act of Dog Inclusion also allows depictions of cats to fulfill its requirements. Depictions of any animal fulfill its requirements, so long as the poster genuinely appreciates the animal being posted - whether that is in cuteness, silliness, or any other positive feeling.

18. The Original Version of the Rule of Honor: That anyone with the ability to modify the posts of others (mods/admins) or make minute, unnoticeable changes to the laws when listing them (Meta or anyone else who does) NOT be allowed to do so - no cheating, people.

19. The Rule for Meta’s Sanity: that Voidus be unable to edit posts in the thread for his own benefit, under threat of immediately losing the game; and that Rule 16 shall be considered irrevocably immoral and unimplementable, from now and in perpetuity, and that should it be passed Voidus will immediately lose the game.

20. The Negative Rule: Any player can have negative points if they have lost more points than they currently have, but a player cannot have more negative points than the total amount of points needed to win.

21. MiToRo's Rule of Punishment: Any post that breaks a rule that has been in effect for longer than 15 minutes - to give time for those who have simply not refreshed their page - shall cause that poster to lose 10 points.

25. The UNO Rule. If at any time, a post violates the rules, someone must point it out by quoting the post and saying ‘UNO!’ in order to implement any Egg changes or changes in game state - ie cheating in and of itself does not trigger any rules, but instead someone has to point it out. There is no time limit on UNO.

28. The Act that Concerns the Frequency of Turns (or ACFT): as stated by the Main Idea, you may only create new rules or amendments on your turn. You may only take a turn if two other people have taken their turn between now and your most previous turn, or if you have not taken your turn in over 24 hours. You do not have to propose a rule on your turn (unless otherwise indicated, eg by Meta’s Clause).

31. The Beginnings of Democracy: We have a poll and whoever gets the most votes is the president, who gets the ability to give up to 50 points to anyone but themselves.

36. The French Law: at any time, a member of the ‘public’ (ie a non-presidential person) may declare a vote to overthrow the president. If a majority vote is attained, the person who started the poll becomes the new president in the place of the old one.

37. Fair Start: Any new player who starts the game after this point will begin with a number of Eggs equal to the player with the next lowest amount of Eggs - this could still be 0.

39. The Paradox of Retroactive Rulings: Rules will never retroactively apply to posts made prior to the rule being voted into effect - unless directly stated otherwise in the rule. This applies to Eggs given or taken for certain kinds of posts, as well as rule infractions that would lead to any sort of punishment.

44. The rule of rules actually meaning something: Any post that violates a rule shall be considered void of all meaning for the purposes of this game, specifically no votes in said post shall be counted, no rules proposed shall be voted upon, no points can be gained, no other rules that would apply any benefit or punishment outside of this rule shall take effect until said post is in accordance with all rules.

76. The Rule Lawyering Rule. (To be edited in soon.)

85. The Rule of Activity. (To be edited in soon.)

Proposed Rules:

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10. Ene’s Second Rule: I also propose the rule that players must keep track of how many points they have in their signatures, About Mes, titles, or in each of their posts on this thread. (4)

16. Voidus’ Law of Unfair Advantage: All those who support this rule shall gain two points for every point that is gained by someone who did not support this rule. (4)

17. Voidus' Rule of Potential Karmic Retribution: Should a player propose a rule to change the name of 'points', that player is to be referred to by the name they suggest changing points to, until such a time as the rule is adopted. (5)

22. MiToRo's Rule of Forgiveness: Whenever a player has negative points, that player may post an apology - no shorter than 3 full sentences, and unique to each other player - to other players in order to regain 1 point per apology. (4)

23. Reputation Points Rule: For each reputation awarded to a post, that poster gains 10 points. (4)

24. Everyone Is A Winner Rule: Any time a proposal - new rule, amendment, removal, or any other rule adjustment - gains unanimous support, the proposer gains 10 points, while the first 2 supporters (after the original proposer) gain 5 points. Unanimous support here means that all players vote in favor of the rule until the rule goes into effect; once the rule would go into effect, future voters who vote against it will not affect the points given by this rule. (5)

26. The Self Punishment Act: If a player breaks a rule, they will be able to decide what their punishment is. (2)

27. The Fair Play Act: If a player cannot obey a rule for 'reasons' then they receive no punishment. (3)

29. The Chessboard Rule: there exists a standard chessboard, originally starting as the starting piece positions for white and black. Each player may elect one piece on the board as theirs - during their turn, they may move their piece as per the standard rules of chess. Checking a piece (checks being defined as per standard chess rules) which is controlled by another player (the ‘recipient’) gains the moving player 100 points, and loses the recipient 100 points. Mutual checks provide no point increase or deduction for either side. (3)

30. The Rule that Says You’ve Lost the Game (or RSYLG): every player must lose the Game at least once every ten turns. Other players are morally obligated to remind players when this requirement due. To announce the fact that you have lost the Game, say in a post during which you have taken your turn, “I have lost the Game.” (4)

32. New Rule the First: New proposed rules must rhyme, this rule will last till the end of time. (4)

33. New Rule the Second: Every 10 eggs will be referred to as a "Basket". (4)

34. Participation Eggs: Once per 24 hour period, if a player makes a post and votes on all current proposals as well as submits at least one new proposal, that player gains 25 Eggs. (5)

35. Non-Participation Eggs: In any 24 hour period, if any player makes more than one post that does not include votes on all current proposals, that player loses 25 Eggs per post after their first without necessary votes. (5)

38. Duel of Awww: Any player may challenge another player to a Duel of Awww, along with a bet amount. The challenger may bet any number of Eggs up to the current total Eggs held by the lesser of the two players; if one or both players has 0 Eggs, the bet is automatically set to 10 Eggs. The Duel of Awww begins once the challenged player accepts the duel in a new post. The public (all other players not participating in the duel) votes on which of the two duelers has the better animal picture - as per rule 15 - based on any arbitrary qualifications they would like. The animal pictures used for the duel will be the ones posted in the challenge post and the acceptance post, and must have both been a picture taken/drawn/created by the respective dueler. Once a majority vote has been reached, the winner gains the bet amount in Eggs and the loser loses the same amount, unless the loser has fewer Eggs - in the case of starting with 0 points - then the loser goes to 0 total Eggs while the winner gains 10 Eggs. (5)

40. The Taxation Rule: The US tax code applies in its entirety to all points gained in whatever manner. (2)

41. The Spikes Rule: Spiking newcomers in the Intro thread gives the spiker 100 points. This rule applies retroactively. (2)

42. The Rule of Exceptions: that rules that are multiples of 1, 2, 4, and 8 are exempt from rules that are multiples of 3. (1)

43. The Brevity Act: that there be a maximum of 50 proposed rules at any one time. Players may also vote to strike proposals from consideration - once a majority is reached, the vote is struck from consideration, and must be reintroduced and reattain all votes in order to reach a majority. (4)

45. The Maybe A Rule So We Can Actually Start Earning Eggs? Rule: At any time, any group of players (at least 2) may compete in any game available to them (whether online or in person, as long as it can be verified). Examples include, but are not limited to, a game of chess, a pokemon battle, a footrace around the world, etc... Upon completion of the game, the winner gains a number of Eggs equal to 100 x the number of other players (i.e. the winner gains 100 Eggs if the game was only between two players), and the losers lose 100 Eggs each, unless a different amount was specified in a challenge post to initiate the game. In the case of a tie, the following occurs: if all players tie for the win, no Eggs are gained or lost; if some but not all participating players tie for the win, each winner gains a number of Eggs equal to 100 x the number of losers / the number of winners, and each loser still loses 100 Eggs. (5)

46. The law of inactivity: If a player does not comment supporting a rule, then their vote will count as a no. (3)

47. The Discord of Disputes: In order to prevent this thread from being over-cluttered with meta-discussion (i.e. discussion about the game in a meta sense, not about the player, MetaTerminal), we should have a Discord channel for all meta-discussion. This channel should be completely exempt from all rules in order to allow for unrestricted discussion and quick resolutions to any disputes. If the players would like separate channels for other discussion (e.g. off-topic, new rule ideas without actually submitting them, commenting on particularly dramatic happenings within the game without cluttering up this thread, etc...) that will be allowed. This Discord channel would also be an good place to have easy access to a pinned list of all currently active rules and proposals. (2)

48. The President of Discord: In the event that we have a Discord channel and we have an elected president as per rule 31, the President will be in charge of keeping the Discord up to date. (1)

49. Dapper Anti Rule 15Act: Anyone who posts a photo in relation to rule 15 loses all their Coolness Levels and 6 pounds of Eggs. (1)

50. Discarded Proposal: If any proposal has been left unapproved after a total of 24 hours, and during that time a number of players equal to the number necessary for approving it with a majority vote have been active, that proposal will immediately be dismissed and have to be re-submitted without any votes. (4)

51. The PM of Productivity: Same thing (in reference to Rule 47), but with a PM. I'm fine there being a President of the PM also. (3)

52. The Internal Consistency Plea: that the Literal Rule be rephrased as “All things, including rules, can be interpreted literally or metaphorically - as they were assumed to be intended - so long as it makes sense; and that any associated implications of the rule not explicitly stated should also be interpreted as true - this includes taking the spirit of a rule, even if the actual letter of the rule differs slightly due to a small technicality. This plea applies retroactively.” (2)

53. The not internally consistent rule: No rules have to be consistent with anything. Even themselves. (1)

54. The Voidus law of mayhem: People should be able to interpret anything in any logically consistent manner. (3)

55. The Last Will and Testament: If any player wishes to leave the game, they may do so freely. In doing so, they may select another current player to receive all of the retiring player's Eggs (only a positive number of Eggs may be given), or choose to allow the Eggs to expire without going to anyone else. (4)

56. Musical Page Proposal: that the first person to post on the tenth, twentieth, thirtieth, and so on (you guys know what I mean, please interpret this seriously - I just don't want to type infinity out) pages of this thread must include a CLEAN music video in their post. If they don't notice they're going to be that post and edit it in a few minutes later, they have not broken this rule. (3)

57. New Rule Proposal: MiToRo wins! If this rule is put into effect, MiToRo immediately gains 1 million Eggs and wins. (3)

60. The Proposal Proposal: If a player has ever been married or engaged, including in a roleplay, that player gets one Egg every time they lose any amount of Eggs. (2)

61. The Following Proposal: From here on out, winning is actually bad. (2)

62. Ene’s Third Rule: that rules allowing players to automatically win not be allowed for submission. (3)

63. Meta’s Clause Removal: That Meta’s Clause should be removed from the rules and no longer be in effect. (3)

64. Title Rule: All rules, amendments, and the like must have names. (4)

65. Don't Leave the Eggs to Spoil: At the end of each 24 hour period - to be established at midnight EDT for consistency - if none of the players have earned any Eggs (defined as a net positive gain of Eggs for any one player) during those 24 hours (not including Eggs earned from this rule as of the previous 24 hour period), then all players immediately earn 1000 points. (1)

66. Ene’s Fourth Rule: that porpoises be banned from this thread. (1)

67. Jaywalk’s First Declaration: that we make porpoises the mascot of this thread. (1)

68. Voidus' Rule of Things: If a player posts the word 'things' in any post (Editing it in does not count) then they are to be awarded 20 Eggs. However if someone quotes said post and says 'and stuff' then the original player loses 10 Eggs, does not gain any Eggs that they would otherwise gain, and the player who quoted them gains 10 Eggs. (4)

69. Rule of Voting: Everyone who participates in the game must vote on at least five waiting proposals. We need to move some of these along! (2)

70. Mac's First rule of organization: For a rule to make it onto the list of rules that can be considered (the waitlist), someone needs to propose it, and another person needs to second it. (3)

71. Mac's Second rule of organization: There is a list of 15 rules that can be voted on at any given moment (the waitlist), regardless of how many rules have been submitted and seconded. (3)

72. Mac's third rule of organization: Rules are divided into categories based on what they cover. Examples could include: Acquisition, Removal, or Transfer of eggs, Fun things (E.X. rule 15). Player rules (like the rule of inactivity). There is no limit to the amount of categories, but people should make an honest effort to try to fit rules into categories. (4)

73. Voidus' Ultimatum of Doom! (Also known as: Everything is RP): All players shall create a character sheet containing basic details for a character that shall represent the player in a collaborative RP. Every post that a player makes in-character for the character represented by the character sheet shall earn that player 1 point. (3)

74. Macthorsten's government increase of efficiency proposal: This vote only needs the support of one other person to be passed. (Note from Meta: this is superseded by the Voting Clause.) The first person to support this rule besides me (note from Meta: this is Meta) gets the ability to cut any number of the rules on the waiting list in a one time purge.

75. Silverblade’s First Law: that we remove voting and give all power to an undefined group of players.

(This rule states that Rule Lawyering is forbidden - what is defined as Rule Lawyering can be decided on as a case by case basis, with common sense prevailing in this regard. (As a general concept, if passing a rule or making any sort of action requires bending existing rules to a great extent - by introducing alternate definitions or , or is contradicted by the Literal Rule, then it could be called Rules Lawyering.) Any post that is determined to contain Rule Lawyering will be entirely invalidated, under the same conditions as the rule to keep rules meaningful. Using a loophole that is clearly evident is obviously fine. (3))

77. The Settlers of Disputes: If a dispute comes up about any aspect of the game, the dispute can be settled by a vote. The dispute will be decided by whichever side gets 3 votes first (any player can place one vote, but if there are multiple people directly involved in either side of the dispute, all those directly involved will only be able to count as one vote per side. This way we prevent a group of 3 players from joining together to jointly benefit from a dispute that they can settle immediately on their own.) (2)

78. The Fonz Rule: Every ten levels of coolness you reach you must post a quote from Henry Winkler. (2)

79. First rule of Idiocy: Each post must include a quote, regardless of form, context, or other defining features. (3)

80. The Accidentally Copied Rule of Losing: The first person to win The Game (fairly, without any hacks) wins.

81. The rule of losing: The first person to win The Game (fairly, without any hacks) wins. (1)

82. The rule of indefinitism: The only to win is by preforming actions necessary to win as the rule of losing declares (1)

83. Rule of players: To be considered a player, you must be following this thread (2)

84. the Rule of Big Eggs: Once you have gained 100 Eggs, you lose all your Eggs and get one Big Egg. Each Big Egg is worth 100 Eggs. (5)

86. The Bold Text Initiative. Should anyone use bold text while on this thread, that person loses one Egg. (2)

87. The Rule of Egg Puns: If someone makes an egg pun that is deemed valid, funny, and relevant by three people besides the poster of said egg pun, that poster will be awarded 46 Eggs. (3)

88. The Continuation of Democracy: under this law, the Players will be split into roughly equal parts( groups decided by the president). When voting,group 1 votes, then if it passes, group 2 votes, then if it passes then, the president must pass or veto it. If it is vetoed, the it goes back to the beginning, and must gain a unanimous vote in the first two sections, if not, then it must be proposed again. If it fails in stage one or two, it fails and must be proposed again. (1)

89. Relevant xkcd’s are expressly forbidden on this thread. (2)

Proposed Amendments:

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* That the Winning Rule be ammended so that the authors of this and the next two posts directly after it be the winners. (2)

* In reference to the First Law of Dapper: 'Eggs' will be changed to a lowercase 'eggs'. (4)

* I would like to amend my own rule (16. Voidus’ Law of Unfair Advantage) to addend the following: No rule or ammendment may be passed or voted on if that rule would alter any part of Voidus’ Law of Unfair Advantage or punish those who have voted in favour of Voidus' Law of Unfair Advantage. And no person who has only conditionally voted in favour of Voidus’ Law of Unfair Advantage shall count as having voted for it, except for the purposes of passing the rule. (1)

* amendment to 15: You must use a picture different from every picture you've used so far. The Internet is big, there are enough. (2)

* amendment to the winning rule. Along with having 1 million points, having -1 million points also makes you win. (3)

Edited April 3, 2019 by MetaTerminal

+Doomstick · April 3, 2019

@MetaTerminal I would like to edit the name of my latest rule to “the continuation of democracy”

also I would like to support 81, 82, 84, 86, and 89

Edited April 3, 2019 by AonDii

Vogelsang · April 3, 2019

Storm it! I wish the Rule of Egg Puns could of been number eggty-eggt. That would ova been a funny coincidence.

MetaTerminal · April 3, 2019

26 minutes ago, AonDii said:

I would like to edit the name of my latest rule to “the continuation of democracy”

also I would like to support 81, 82, 84, 86, and 89

Done.

10 minutes ago, Taradiddle said:

Storm it! I wish the Rule of Egg Puns could of been number eggty-eggt. That would ova been a funny coincidence.

How do I upvote a post multiple times?

:3

+Doomstick · April 3, 2019

What is the rule-lawyering rule?

MetaTerminal · April 3, 2019

The original draft was “the Rule Lawyering Rule. This rule states that Rule Lawyering is forbidden - what is defined as Rule Lawyering can be decided on as a case by case basis, with common sense prevailing in this regard. (As a general concept, if passing a rule or making any sort of action requires bending existing rules to a great extent - by introducing alternate definitions or , or is contradicted by the Literal Rule, then it could be called Rules Lawyering.) Any post that is determined to contain Rule Lawyering will be entirely invalidated, under the same conditions as the rule to keep rules meaningful. Using a loophole that is clearly evident is obviously fine.” Some amendments were made, which I am trying to sort out, but it effectively prevents people from trying to break the rules too much. @AonDii

:3

+Doomstick · April 3, 2019

Ah

I support Ene’s second rule

Edited April 3, 2019 by AonDii

Vogelsang · April 3, 2019

I support 10, 17, 22, 23, 24, 32, 33, 34, 38, 41, 43, 45, 54, 55, 56, 60, 62, 64, 65, 66, 67, 70, 71, 72, 73, 77, 78, 79, 81, 83, 84, 86, 87, and 88.

MetaTerminal · April 3, 2019

New laws have been passed into effect: Voidus' Rule of Potential Karmic Retribution, the Everyone Is A Winner Rule, Participation Eggs, Duel of Awww, the Maybe Rule, and the Rule of Big Eggs. In accordance to Ene’s First Rule, 3 Eggs have been awarded to @Voidus, 12 (!) Eggs to @MiToRo94, and 3 Eggs to @Dr. Dapper. Congratulations to everyone.

I challenge all active players ( @Dr. Dapper, @AonEne, @TheVillageIdiot, @Voidus, @Kidpen, @MacThorstenson, @MiToRo94, @AonDii and @Taradiddle) to a communal game of riddles, as popularised by the Hobbit, in accordance with the Maybe Rule. The winner of the game of riddles (as decided communally by the players, and if only one person wins) will gain 900 Eggs.

If you’re no good at riddles, feel free to challenge other people at other games you’re better at.

:3

I have decided to add a note to the opening post to make it easier to jump into the game - specifically, to note that understanding the rules is hardly expected, that rule infractions will be called out instead of immediately punished, and to simply note how the game currently works (the Duel of Awww and the Maybe Rule specifically).

Existing Rules (ie rules that are in effect):

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The Main Idea: Players take turns suggesting rules, or amendments to or the removal of existing rules.
The Voting Clause: Upon a majority vote of more than three players, said amendments or removals are taken into effect. (Note: no rule is exempt from this rule, including this one, unless superseded by another rule.)
The Winning Rule: The winning player shall be the first player that wins. When one player wins, all other players lose.