Karger he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Author Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Could Kaladin adhere himself to Jasnah either so that when she tries to transport or elsecall he comes too? Edited March 22, 2019 by Karger
Pathfinder Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/20/2019 at 9:21 PM, Karger said: My point is that Kaladin himself is impossible to pin because he can move any weight she can conceivably soulcast and reverse the direction gravity pulls on him. But he then comes into the issue of running out of stormlight by trying to use his body to basically crush whatever material she creates. He would also burn through stormlight to heal his body while it is being crushed against whatever she soulcasted. So I think it would be quite the drain on his resources. On 3/21/2019 at 7:02 AM, Quantus said: Absolutely. This is on the same general order as Fabrial radios, Soulcasting Nukes, or Lightweaver Lasers; it may or may not even be possibly, but would require a major leap in Rosharan scientific understanding. I doubt it, because I think (with nothing close to proof) that unlike Gravitation, Teleportation used that way is going to work on a similar principle as Soulcasting in that it's easier to affect a single 'thing', either some physical area like the oathgates or something with a unified Identity like traditional soulcasting, and to affect just the oxygen and exclude the rest of the air would require the caster to view all the different atoms as distinct things. It would be far easier to to take a mass of Air and Soulcast it into an equal mass of pure Oxygen (or hell, swamp-gas methane) and ignite that. Touche. Storms elsecallers are fun! lol 12 hours ago, Karger said: Could Kaladin adhere himself to Jasnah either so that when she tries to transport or elsecall he comes too? Hmmm, if you mean Kaladin makes himself sticky, and then touch Jasnah, it may stick since we see a fused use abrasion on the gemstone, and it was slippery to everyone except that fused. Now would that result in Kaladin tagging along on a teleport? Personally I say no, but we already accepted we do not see eye to eye on that subject and there is nothing to conclusively back up either of our interpretations, so that question is still very much RAFO.
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 Jasnah soulcasts a half gram of antimatter into the space between them while stepping into Shadesmar. We get to find out of Stormlight can save you from vaporization.
Karger he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Author Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) Half a gram would be a fairly large nuke. Also which essence is antimatter? Edited March 22, 2019 by Karger
Pathfinder Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Karger said: Half a gram would be a fairly large nuke. Also which essence is antimatter? You do not have to only soulcast essences. You can soulcast certain things directly. Plutonium and such were confirmed via WoB. The issue is just making sure the individual understands what they are soulcasting, and getting the concepts across to the spren. The essences just make soulcasting easier. Jasnah explains this in Words of Radiance and Oathbringer.
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Karger said: Half a gram would be a fairly large nuke. That was the intent. Wipe out a continent or two. He's a Knight Radiant, might as well be sure.
Quantus he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Karger said: Half a gram would be a fairly large nuke. Also which essence is antimatter? My guess would be Fire.
Karger he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Author Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Pathfinder said: You do not have to only soulcast essences. You can soulcast certain things directly. Plutonium and such were confirmed via WoB. The issue is just making sure the individual understands what they are soulcasting, and getting the concepts across to the spren. The essences just make soulcasting easier. Jasnah explains this in Words of Radiance and Oathbringer. I know that but everything soulcast so far has been some combination of essences to create something naturally accruing. As far as I know antimatter does not occure in the normal world and if it did would be outside the 10 essences paradigm leaving me to speculate about the 10 antiessences.
Pathfinder Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Karger said: I know that but everything soulcast so far has been some combination of essences to create something naturally accruing. As far as I know antimatter does not occure in the normal world and if it did would be outside the 10 essences paradigm leaving me to speculate about the 10 antiessences. Antimatter, despite its name is actually quite naturally occurring. It is probably over my head, so I will wait for those potentially more knowledgeable in the matter @Quantus to comment, but I do not think there has to be "anti essences" to soulcast it. The essences are also a construct of the people on Roshar. I feel like @Calderis posted a WoB that went into depth on another thread about how humans like to codify things, but that once understanding in investiture grows, it may go even beyond that. I think I am doing a poor job explaining, so this portion I will wait for others to ring in.
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Karger said: I know that but everything soulcast so far has been some combination of essences to create something naturally accruing. As far as I know antimatter does not occure in the normal world and if it did would be outside the 10 essences paradigm leaving me to speculate about the 10 antiessences. Antimatter occurs in many places in nature, it is even a byproduct of the natural decay of some atoms. Mostly they result from very high energy situations, such as cosmic rays hitting a planets atmosphere, or the accretion disks of black holes. It might even be pretty easy to soul cast since antiparticles have the same properties, mass for example, as their matter counterparts. She would really just have to change the "charge" of the particles in the air. I think the essence would depend on what you were soulcasting into its antiparticle. Edited March 22, 2019 by SwordNimiForPresident
The Ryshadium Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 Jasnah simply has far more variety in what she can do with large amounts of stormlight. Maybe when Kaladin swears the fourth ideal things will be more even. As of right now, I don't see Kaladin winning when they have a lot of stormlight. Soulcasting is very overpowered. If she doesn't manage to kill him and wastes her stormlight, Kaladin will gain the advantage with his superior combat skills and the fact that his surges don't use up as much stormlight. I find it unlikely that he would make it that far though. Jasnah wouldn't even need to soulcast aluminum. If she trapped him in rock while connecting himto the ground, restricting his arms so he can't use Syl, he would die very quickly. I'm not completely sure, but I think she could soulcast in a way that the rock around him would be connected to the ground. If I remember right, the new wall that she soulcast was connected to the old wall so she can fuse objects with soulcasting. There is no way he could use lashings to shatter the rock entrapping him to escape in that scenario because he can't move the entire planet. 1
Karger he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Author Posted March 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: actually quite naturally occurring OK technically it is but most of it was destroyed a long time ago in our universe and I have no idea if adi made any.
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Karger said: OK technically it is but most of it was destroyed a long time ago in our universe and I have no idea if adi made any. I don't know who adi is. I wasn't only referring to the antimatter that existed prior to baryogenesis. As I said in my post, antimatter exists through many naturally occurring phenomena that are still happening today.
Karger he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Author Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Ryshadium said: Jasnah simply has far more variety in what she can do with large amounts of stormlight. Maybe when Kaladin swears the fourth ideal things will be more even. As of right now, I don't see Kaladin winning when they have a lot of stormlight. Soulcasting is very overpowered. If she doesn't manage to kill him and wastes her stormlight, Kaladin will gain the advantage with his superior combat skills and the fact that his surges don't use up as much stormlight. I find it unlikely that he would make it that far though. Jasnah wouldn't even need to soulcast aluminum. If she trapped him in rock while connecting himto the ground, restricting his arms so he can't use Syl, he would die very quickly. I'm not completely sure, but I think she could soulcast in a way that the rock around him would be connected to the ground. If I remember right, the new wall that she soulcast was connected to the old wall so she can fuse objects with soulcasting. There is no way he could use lashings to shatter the rock entrapping him to escape in that scenario because he can't move the entire planet. I do not think that Jasnah can make one thing fused to something else as that is the surge of cohesion which she cannot use. What I believe that Jasnah did at the wall was soulcast the air into metal in such a way that they metal fitted into the wall like a puzzle piece. She also might be able to soulcast two things into one thing but that would be the same as soulcasting all of two things and Jasnah cannot soulcast the entire planet.
Karger he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Author Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: I don't know who adi is. My personal shorthand for adonalsium it takes to long to type and I can't spell it anyway. Yes antimater does does sometimes come into existence but only in extraordinarily small quantities and it is usually destroyed quite quickly. Edited March 22, 2019 by Karger
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Karger said: My personal shorthand for adonalsium it takes to long to type and I can't spell it anyway. Lies
Karger he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Author Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, SwordNimiForPresident said: Lies Actually no I copy pasted it.
Pathfinder Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 Regardless whether antimatter can or cannot be soulcasted, we do know as per WoB that plutonium can be soulcasted, and you could get quite the explosion from that too.
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: Regardless whether antimatter can or cannot be soulcasted, we do know as per WoB that plutonium can be soulcasted, and you could get quite the explosion from that too. I’m not 100% on the science behind nuclear weapons, but if memory serves, they require a conventional explosion to trigger them.
Calderis he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 And in both cases, it's well beyond anyone on Roshar's knowledge level and therefore not applicable at all...
Bigmikey357 he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 The problem with Jasnah casting plutonium is the same as Kaladin Lashing the oxygen out of the air excluding all other elements. She doesn't know about the higher heavy radioactive elements. And it isn't necessary anyway. The things they know are sufficient to ruin someone's day.
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Calderis said: And in both cases, it's well beyond anyone on Roshar's knowledge level and therefore not applicable at all... Oh I thought we were using hypotheticals here. I had seen several posts referring the Kaladin’s plate and assumed.
Pathfinder Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 To clarify, I was pointing to the plutonium more to illustrate not relying on the 10 essences alone. That if the individual soulcasting understood something, it could be soulcasted directly. That soulcasters are not limited to the 10 essences.
The Ryshadium Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Karger said: I do not think that Jasnah can make one thing fused to something else as that is the surge of cohesion which she cannot use. What I believe that Jasnah did at the wall was soulcast the air into metal in such a way that they metal fitted into the wall like a puzzle piece. She also might be able to soulcast two things into one thing but that would be the same as soulcasting all of two things and Jasnah cannot soulcast the entire planet. No she can't soul cast the entire planet. If she can soulcast the air with enough stormlight when the air sees itself as one entity, I see no reason why she couldn't soulcast a smaller portion of the ground with enough stormlight. Sure it's a lot harder but I'm pretty sure it could be done. Shallan's father soulcast areas of his land into mineral deposits after all. My argument still stands. She could immobilize him.
Calderis he/him Posted March 22, 2019 Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, SwordNimiForPresident said: Oh I thought we were using hypotheticals here. I had seen several posts referring the Kaladin’s plate and assumed. Kaladin getting plate at some point in the near future is believable. Rosharan science advancing to the point that Jasnah can soulcast antimatter or plutonium when she wasn't able to soulcast strawberry jam seems... Far more farfetched.
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