Brightness Jencee Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 Is there a thread on here about the heralds we have seen and what they are doing and theories about their current identities. If so, can someone point me to it because I can't find it using search. Thanks
Kon-Tiki he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) You can probably find them on coppermind.net, but here's what I can think of off the top of my head: Ishar: God-King of Tukkar Jezrien: the beggar Ahu. Super dead Nale: Nale Chana, Vedel, Pailiah: unknown Battar: the Ardent Dova (maybe Pailiah?) Ash and Taln: in Jasnah's custody Kelek: unknown, but the nervous "diplomat" at Gavilar's party There might be some errors in here but should be pretty close Edited January 29, 2019 by Kon-Tiki
Nathrangking he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Kon-Tiki said: You can probably find them on coppermind.net, but here's what I can think of off the top of my head: Ishar: God-King of Tukkar Jezrien: the beggar Ahu. Super dead Nale: Nale Chana, Vedel, Pailiah: unknown Battar: the Ardent Dova (maybe Pailiah?) Ash and Taln: in Jasnah's custody Kelek: unknown, but the nervous "diplomat" at Gavilar's party There might be some errors in here but should be pretty close Pailah- ardent in the palaneum in kharbranth Edited January 29, 2019 by Nathrangking
Kon-Tiki he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Nathrangking said: Pailah- ardent in the palaneum in kharbranth That's Dovah. There's some conflicting information
Nathrangking he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kon-Tiki said: That's Dovah. There's some conflicting information As far as I'm aware Brandon has only confirmed paliah.
Kon-Tiki he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, Nathrangking said: As far as I'm aware Brandon has only confirmed paliah. Mr T says Battar in book
Nathrangking he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Kon-Tiki said: Mr T says Battar in book 1stly that is not necessarily to whom he was referring. I always thought he was referring to a secret gatherer. 2nd he is unreliable at best As a source of information. 3rd there is a WoB which unequivocally states that Paliah is an ardent in the palaeneum.
Kon-Tiki he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 Which is why I said it the way I did. I tend to value what's said in the book higher than WoBs and I don't know what's gained by saying she's Battar when she's actually Pailiah
Nathrangking he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/139/#e4419
TacticalShardSpork Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Nathrangking said: 1stly that is not necessarily to whom he was referring. I always thought he was referring to a secret gatherer. 2nd he is unreliable at best As a source of information. 3rd there is a WoB which unequivocally states that Paliah is an ardent in the palaeneum. I concur, and besides those WoBs, Paliah and not Battar is in the heraldic symbols at the beginning of the chapters she appears or is discussed heavily in (Ch 33 of WoK and I-14 of WoR) Edited January 29, 2019 by TacticalShardSpork
Brightness Jencee Posted January 29, 2019 Author Posted January 29, 2019 I've seen lots of posts about the Batter/Pailiah debate. Not sure where I fall on that one. I had wondered if Adrotagia was possibly Vedel, but that seems like too many heralds in Kharbranth. I have also wondered if Yesteel fled to Roshar and became a herald and that is what eventually brought Vasher, Nightblood, and Vivenna to Roshar since they were pursuing him.
RShara she/her Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Nathrangking said: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/139/#e4419 Sadly, we never did get an image for that one, so we have to regard it as paraphrased. Also, when I asked Brandon about it, he said there have been several Heralds in proximity to T, but only one is influencing him now, and he wasn't willing to give a name. Quote R'Shara [PENDING REVIEW] A long time ago, where you said that Pailiah was the elderly ardent in Kharbranth that Shallan saw, is that right? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Yes? If you say I said that, then I did. Questioner 2 [PENDING REVIEW] Does that mean it is still true? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] Let's just say there is a Herald in close proximity to Taravangian. R'Shara [PENDING REVIEW] It was in a signed book but we never got a picture of it. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] There is a Herald in close proximity to Taravangian. I'm not being sneaky about that. R'Shara [PENDING REVIEW] Is there more than one? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] There have been in the past, but there is only one that you would call influencing him right now. But there have been others in the past. Skyward release party (Nov. 6, 2018)
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 I think it is Battar. There is virtually no reason for Brandon to have Mr T lie about which of the unseen Heralds he has working for him. That WoB has always been uncertain (think it is from a book we never got a picture of) so it is possible that there is some misunderstanding around it. Accoording to in-book info Battar is in Kharbranth, and we dont know where Paliah is. Also, Kalak being the nervous guy at the party is very likely, but not confirmed as far as I know.
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, ScavellTane said: Vedel = Maben (Mr. Ts maid) There is only one Herald close to Mr T at the moment, so that excludes Dova being a Herald at all. Quote R'Shara[PENDING REVIEW] A long time ago, where you said that Pailiah was the elderly ardent in Kharbranth that Shallan saw, is that right? Brandon Sanderson[PENDING REVIEW] Yes? If you say I said that, then I did. Questioner 2[PENDING REVIEW] Does that mean it is still true? Brandon Sanderson[PENDING REVIEW] Let's just say there is a Herald in close proximity to Taravangian. R'Shara[PENDING REVIEW] It was in a signed book but we never got a picture of it. Brandon Sanderson[PENDING REVIEW] There is a Herald in close proximity to Taravangian. I'm not being sneaky about that. R'Shara[PENDING REVIEW] Is there more than one? Brandon Sanderson[PENDING REVIEW] There have been in the past, but there is only one that you would call influencing him right now. But there have been others in the past. Skyward release party (Nov. 6, 2018)
Quantus he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 4 hours ago, ScavellTane said: Vedel = Maben (Mr. Ts maid) Theory or is this confirmed somewhere? 1
RShara she/her Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said: There is only one Herald close to Mr T at the moment, so that excludes Dova being a Herald at all. I quoted my WoB already
Brightness Jencee Posted January 29, 2019 Author Posted January 29, 2019 10 hours ago, RShara said: Sadly, we never did get an image for that one, so we have to regard it as paraphrased. Also, when I asked Brandon about it, he said there have been several Heralds in proximity to T, but only one is influencing him now, and he wasn't willing to give a name. If there have been several heralds around Taravangian, then maybe Adrotagia = Vedel isn't completely far fetched after all, provided the Maben theory isn't confirmed of course. Adrotagia has always struck me as a "more than meets the eye" character. She appears to be Mr T's most trusted advisor and other people follow her orders without question. She is currently with Mr T. Killing people to collect the death rattles is rather the perfect twist of her earlier self who trained surgeons and had the divine attributes of loving and healing.
RShara she/her Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 Just now, Brightness Jencee said: If there have been several heralds around Taravangian, then maybe Adrotagia = Vedel isn't completely far fetched after all, provided the Maben theory isn't confirmed of course. Adrotagia has always struck me as a "more than meets the eye" character. She appears to be Mr T's most trusted advisor and other people follow her orders without question. She is currently with Mr T. Killing people to collect the death rattles is rather the perfect twist of her earlier self who trained surgeons and had the divine attributes of loving and healing. Adrotagia can't be a Herald. T remembers her being a kid, and them growing up and old together. 1
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, RShara said: I quoted my WoB already Yeah... I didn’t notice that...
Brightness Jencee Posted January 29, 2019 Author Posted January 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, RShara said: Adrotagia can't be a Herald. T remembers her being a kid, and them growing up and old together. That is a definitly a problem. I remember them talking about their childhood.
Quantus he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 So, near as I can see we have a WOB that Paliah has appeared as an Ardent in the Palinaeum, we have Mr.T's statement in the novels that he believes that Dova is Battar (and presumably figured it out on a Smart Day), and a currently unidentified theory that Mr.T's maid is Vedel. I dont know about the Vedel thing, but since there is nothing to say that Palaih is actually influencing Mr T rather than simply being present in his nation (in her Namesake location), Id say those two can both be accurate. 3
StrikerEZ he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 Yeah, I never really understood why there was such controversy over Battar and Pailiah. Battar is Dova, Pailiah is that unnamed ardent in the Palanaeum. 1
RShara she/her Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 I have an unfounded theory that Vedel is one of the Silent Gatherers, just because it would fit the "Heralds' madness involves the opposite of their Divine Attributes" idea.
Quantus he/him Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, RShara said: I have an unfounded theory that Vedel is one of the Silent Gatherers, just because it would fit the "Heralds' madness involves the opposite of their Divine Attributes" idea. I could get behind that, as the inversion of Loving and Healing, and if she's present but not actually influencing the diagram it wouldnt run afoul of the WOB. Though Battar might also fit as the Inversion of Wisdom and Care, though I suppose a philosophic argument could be made on the difference between Care vs Caring.
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