Gancho Libre Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 I've just re-read Oathbringer, and I'm a little pressed for time right now, but is there any proof that the Sibling is actually Urithiru itself? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripheus23 Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 The Sibling is a spren, Urithiru is not a spren, unless Urithiru is the equivalent of a spren-blade, but then Bondsmiths don't get Blades and the Sibling is related to the Bondsmiths so... IDK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 I don't think the Sibling is Urithiru, but I think they powered it, and was closely connected to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle373 Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 I've thought that the sibling is Urithiru but theres no concrete proof that says it is, and I'm starting to think more that the sibling powered Urithiru and Stormfather at one point mentions that humans had done enough to the sibling, and so I thought that when the sibling was damaged Urithiru stopped working, not completely but partially, Quote "The wilting of plants and the general cooling of the air is disagreeable, yes, but some of the tower's functions remain in place. The increased pressure, for example, persists." OB ch 69 epigraph so maybe the sibling powered Urithiru, like it filled the gemstone pillar and made all of the tower's fabrials and whatever else it did work, and it got injured and went into a comatose state. The gemstone library supports this I think Quote "Good night, dear Urithiru. Good night, sweet Sibling. Good night, Radiants." OB ch 87 epigraph so they're saying goodbye to Urithiru and the sibling at the same time, as if by leaving Urithiru they're leaving the sibling, so I think that the sibling is in the gemstone pillar or somewhere in urithiru sleeping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantus Posted December 3, 2018 Report Share Posted December 3, 2018 There's also This Epigraph that indicates they believed there was some connection, or at least correlation, between research of the tower Spren (of Uritiru) and the Sibling's "Withdrawl". Quote "My research into the cognitive reflections of the spren at the tower has been deeply illustrative. Some thought that the Sibling had withdrawn from men by intent- but I find counter to that theory." source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordNimiForPresident Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 What if the Sibling is the Purelake? It's supposed to be central to Urithiru, and I feel that a sentient mass of Invested water that is always warm and is able to move under its own pressure would be pretty handy in a high altitude city with no natural water source. If the Stormfather can just be wind, can the Sibling just be water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: What if the Sibling is the Purelake? It's supposed to be central to Urithiru, and I feel that a sentient mass of Invested water that is always warm and is able to move under its own pressure would be pretty handy in a high altitude city with no natural water source. If the Stormfather can just be wind, can the Sibling just be water? ? The Purelake isn't central to Urithiru. The Purelake is north, and possibly a bit west of Urithiru. Urithiru is in a mountain range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordNimiForPresident Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, RShara said: ? The Purelake isn't central to Urithiru. The Purelake is north, and possibly a bit west of Urithiru. Urithiru is in a mountain range. The Sibling is supposed to be central, as in important. Sorry, I see how the wording might have been confusing. Though on this same train of thought, Urithiru is between the Valley and the Purelake. Maybe the Bondsmith spren like to hang around that region. Edited February 21, 2019 by SwordNimiForPresident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Oh I see. But how would it get Purelake water all the way up to Urithiru? And without killing the native Purelake life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordNimiForPresident Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, RShara said: Oh I see. But how would it get Purelake water all the way up to Urithiru? And without killing the native Purelake life? It doesn't seem to have any issues moving given that it "hides" from the Highstorms. I imagine it could move through the water table or through underground passages. As for native life, the Stormfather doesn't hold back his storms when innocents are in their path, and the Nightwatcher can be downright cruel, so I imagine the Sibling would take a similar "force of nature" perspective on the matter. The region may also flood with non Invested water once the Sibling left (assuming that the lake is the Sibling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 I feel like the water draining into underground reservoirs could be accounted for by pressure changes. Adonalsium designed the place, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Yeah,I figured it was due to pressure changes, and I also figured the Sibling lives or at least lived in the pillar of gemstones in Urithiru since they seem to have been acting as a power source for the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordNimiForPresident Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 The change in water level could certainly be natural, I just felt that in combination with the unusual warmth and the Invested fish, that the Purelake seemed a little similar to the Stormfather. It would also fix one of the major problems that they face in Urithiru, no water. Also, to be clear I am in no way putting this forward as a "this is definitely what's happening" idea. I'm just floating it to see what other people think (and if anyone else can make connections that I missed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 52 minutes ago, CrazyRioter said: Yeah,I figured it was due to pressure changes, and I also figured the Sibling lives or at least lived in the pillar of gemstones in Urithiru since they seem to have been acting as a power source for the city. Here's a thought: the Sibling can inhabit things and is currently residing the Purelake, having vacated the pillar of gemstones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kered Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, RShara said: I feel like the water draining into underground reservoirs could be accounted for by pressure changes. Adonalsium designed the place, after all. Adonalsium say whaa? Everything I've read about Urithiru has been RAFO'ed in regards to construction and origin, so I'm assuming I missed one lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kered said: Adonalsium say whaa? Everything I've read about Urithiru has been RAFO'ed in regards to construction and origin, so I'm assuming I missed one lol. I meant, Adonalsium designed Roshar, which the Purelake is part of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kered Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, RShara said: I meant, Adonalsium designed Roshar, which the Purelake is part of. Oh, my bad then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Invocation said: Here's a thought: the Sibling can inhabit things and is currently residing the Purelake, having vacated the pillar of gemstones. I think they are probably still in the pillar actually just dormant, as there is still some magic life support functions operational (the air pressure). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, CrazyRioter said: I think they are probably still in the pillar actually just dormant, as there is still some magic life support functions operational (the air pressure). Maybe in the gem system somewhere, but probably not the pillar itself, given that Re-shepir could inhabit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRioter Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Invocation said: Maybe in the gem system somewhere, but probably not the pillar itself, given that Re-shepir could inhabit it. Fair point. Still in the city though most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, CrazyRioter said: Fair point. Still in the city though most likely. Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Still, there's no discounting the possibility that the Sibling can split itself and in some way, shape, or form represents the bonds between the Radiant Orders, with part of itself being Cusicesh, part in the Purelake, and a very small sliver of itself in hiding in the gem-pipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insert_anagram_here Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Invocation said: Here's a thought: the Sibling can inhabit things and is currently residing the Purelake, having vacated the pillar of gemstones. 1 hour ago, Invocation said: Maybe in the gem system somewhere, but probably not the pillar itself, given that Re-shepir could inhabit it. Um, haha, in danger of sounding complete cuckoo here, what if the Sibling can inhabit water and Re-shepir can inhabit oil? And Re-shepir is actually in Urithiru in order to not let water in? (oil and water don't mix) Edited February 21, 2019 by insert_anagram_here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 If it is not in the gemstone that what is causing the increased pressure in Urithiru? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Invocation Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, insert_anagram_here said: Um, haha, in danger of sounding complete cuckoo here, what if the Sibling can inhabit water and Re-shepir can inhabit oil? And Re-shepir is actually in Urithiru in order to not let water in? (oil and water don't mix) ...That's not a half-bad theory, actually. Be kind of interesting as a plot device. 1 hour ago, Karger said: If it is not in the gemstone that what is causing the increased pressure in Urithiru? I stand by what I said about some portion of the Sibling being somewhere in the "veins" so to speak of Urithiru, but not the pillar of gemstones. I don't think two spren (especially spren of that power level) could share the pillar like that, and we know Re-Shepir's influence was spread through the majority of the tower that we've seen, from her mimicry and Shallan feeling the wrongness that was Re-Shepir. It is possible that a sliver of the Sibling is holed up in a different portion of the tower's gem network and is making the pressure, or it could just be something else for shenanigan reasons. Edited February 21, 2019 by Invocation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 What if the ancient lightweaver trapped Re-Shepir inside the sibling the way timber tramped the voidspren inside Venli's gemheart? That could have been what injured the sibling and eventualy aloud her to escape! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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