Ookla the Mountain of the Gods

[kenod]

I looked up. "Just blame it on the alleys messing with things. It's basically my standard excuse for weird spatial or temporal things."

[Voidus]

Why would not being on the map mean they're hundreds of years in the future comparatively?

[xinoehp512 he/him]

"It's not not being on the map, it's being too far away from the Worldspike. But it is sort of arbitrary."

[Voidus]

Anything that's far enough from the worldspike as to be outside the range of its effects is more going to be non-existent / non-real than temporally slipped. And it does have a pretty wide range, it's meant to stabilize the entire pocket universe after all.

[xinoehp512 he/him]

"It doesn't have to make sense. It's just there to explain how some of the places have the Alleystorm arriving hundreds of years in the past."

[Voidus]

I mean it kind of does need to make sense to some degree. But if that's a requirement rather than just an additional piece of worldbuilding then I suppose my question would be, why is it necessary that some places have an Alleystorm hundreds of years ago?
Because anywhere the Alleystorm goes is still on the same planet, which is definitely within the range of the spike so to suspend disbelief is going to need a pretty strong justification I think.

[xinoehp512 he/him]

"The islands' mutation didn't happen overnight, and they live for huge periods of time. For them to have any kind of appreciable culture, they'll have to have been around for a while."

[+Ark1002]

11 hours ago, xinoehp512 said:

I looked at Badadah. "Aren't we supposed to be using first person past tense? Also, what should I call you? I'm a bit confused by the difference between Ark, Hellbent, and Badadah at this point."

I smiled. "Call me Ark."

[Voidus]

I'd rather retcon or handwave some history than set up a time slip, means that any character who travels here is going to be out of the story for the next several years otherwise.

[xinoehp512 he/him]

"Things have changed. Because people are traveling between areas, their Spiritual aspects are lining up. There shouldn't be much trouble with time, although a few slips might happen." 

[Voidus]

Playing loose with time is one thing, actual time alteration or time travel is something I hope we can avoid. It get's really awkward really fast. And what are their spiritual aspects lining up to? Physical location doesn't have any bearing on the spiritual realm so it won't change anything. If their actual Connection was changed then maybe? But that would at the most just sync their time up with the other location, not change the entire flow of time.

[xinoehp512 he/him]

"I hope to avoid time alteration as well. That's what the NOW clock is for. And I meant syncing up the time with the other location."

[Karnatheon he/him]

"So Ark, not to be annoying or seem like I'm trying to butt in constantly, but are you just not reading my posts? Or intentionally ignoring me? You've obviously been active in thread and responding to other people, and given your posts in other threads, seem like you intend to continue down the 'Hellbent is now evil and super powerful' path, so just not going to address my concerns? Obviously you don't need my permission for anything that you want to do as long as it isn't Godmodding, but I thought the whole point of this thread was to get and give input on what you're doing? Isn't that what discussion is about? Again, not trying to force you to do anything, but it would be nice to know how you feel about the points that have been brought up against what you're trying to do here."

@Badadah

[+Ark1002]

"I apologize, I must have missed them. I'll go look for them now."

[+Ark1002]

On 11/22/2018 at 2:43 PM, Karnatheon said:

I agree. If Hellbent ascended to a higher existence, either by staying merged with Babadah as he currently is, or gaining one of these items and assuming a non intervention policy, with minimal interaction with anyone or anything, that would be rewarding for the character without providing the unbalance mentioned. Because yes only rewarding Hellbent like this for ascending wouldn't be fair, and everyone having this power would break things, so no one should have it.

"I apologize for double posting, but I couldn't add a quote to the old. Is this what you speak of? Because I answered that just quoted Voidus, who had made the post first."

[Voidus]

"On that note: I replied to that too and I don't think there was anything further after that. For reference:"

Barring the first one (Possibly, even then I'm not sure what exactly you would have in mind for the character), those are just personality quirks not a non-intervention policy, that doesn't really set me at ease in any way.

[+Ark1002]

"With the Horn of the Herald, it means the extra power wouldn't normally affect anything. With the Eye of the Oracle, he would essentially be non-intervention, with the exception of those who come to meet him for prophecy. With the Blade of the Champion, it is not even remotely non-intervention, but he would create a government, give it to the people, then be a tool of the government, really just an extension of the larger Alleyverse's role."

[Karnatheon he/him]

On 11/22/2018 at 5:39 AM, Karnatheon said:

"So, just my two cents here. If the whole point of Hellbent's quest was to save himself, and the only way to fix himself is to be granted an Alleyshard, why would not giving him one turn him into an uber demon and not just cause him to die? He was literraly dying before he showed up here, Ark. I realize that you love your creation, and you are currently using your powers to sustain him, but this whole thing feels like I'm being railroaded. As was said previously, you decided to come up with these ultra powered weapons without mentioning it to anyone, which in and of itself is not a problem. Then you decide to give us a vote about the fate of Hellbent. But all the options end up with Hellbent wielding a weapon of such immense godlike power he will be unstoppable, or he ends up being just as powerful for some reason, but evil. I know that I am a significantly newer member here than most of you, but if you're going to spring something like this on us out of the blue, I honestly feel like the no weapon option should cause Hellbent to die. Permanently. I may be the only person who feels this way, but it is the way I felt. As far as the whole God/Avatar/Author thing goes, I don't know that it needs to be defined. But I assumed that it was going to be limited to the other side of the world, and the mountain of the gods. If we start messing with the majority of the Alleyverse directly, that gives too much potential for power abuse. The Avatars that we as literal people write into our posts are effectively characters once we untroduce them. And I feel like there has been a good effort from everyone to limit the characters they create in game, reducing power levels and maintaining weaknesses and such. But if we started introducing us as characters in the grand scheme of things we would all be way too powerful and I feel like that would not be fun. It's fun to break the fourth wall don't get me wrong. But I feel like it should be in a dedicated thread, with no spillage to the rest of the Alleyverse. Just my thoughts."

Tldr; Alleyshards super op. 4th voting option should kill Hellbent in case no one wants him to have a shard. We should limit our avatars to this thread and the other side of the world otherwise we just become OP characters we made for the Alleyverse and that won't be fun.

This was the main one I was referring to. To rephrase it, I don't want the 4th option to force you to kill Hellbent, but if you're going to give us a choice and a vote in the matter, there should at least be an option that doesn't make him more powerful than he already is, especially because he seems to be quite considerably powerful already. And in reference to what rewards should other characters who also ascend receive, I feel it would be unfair to give Hellbent the only reward, or the greatest reward, just for being the first to ascend, since you or someone you had talked to said that you wanted to be the first one to ascend the mountain in the first place, thus basically reserving your spot to be the first to ascend. I just feel like, if Hellbent has the potential to become Cosmere-affectingly strong, we should have a voice in that, and have the potential to stop that from happening if that's how most of us feel. I'm not saying the majority necessarily does feel that way, but it should at least be an option for Hellbent to come out of this without basically becoming uber powerful. 

[+Ark1002]

"Ah. That is what you were referring to. You misunderstand quite a few things with that. If he goes evil, he does not gain superpowers from that. He just becomes really, really evil. The second is the statement that Hellbent was dying. Hellbent was not dying, his ability to act and reason like a human, and have emotions and the like, was deteriorating, and he wanted to stop it and become a stable, a semi-normal person. Third is the idea that others can't get a reward. There is three alleyshards. They aren't gifted just to one person. Any who ascends on this thread will be voted on, I will delete the current pole and change it to one for them, so that they can be voted on by the assembly. Fourth, the Alleyshards aren't as OP as you assume, they have power, but more of a unique function, Hellbent with the Eye of the Oracle will be just another person, with one unique function he can offer. He would also be a pacifist, and could be killed incredibly easily. Hellbent with the Sword of the Champion has the most potential to be OP, but is very much bound by the will of the masses, if a large amount of people wanted him to kill himself, the majority of the population, he would. Hellbent with the Horn of the Herald would change none, with the exception of no longer being a bloodthirsty maniac, his shard only being used at the vote of the entire pantheon. He would decrease in danger. Thank you for your time."

[Voidus]

"The horn I could probably concede is non-interventionist enough to justify but that in itself is a little pointless. If literally everyone agrees that something needs to be one then it will be done, regardless of whether or not someone has a horn. The Oracle is not in any way non-interventionist, you just directly stated that they'd use that power for other people, that's like the opposite of non-interventionist. The sword I'm most strongly opposed to, that seems incredibly railroady and drastic."

[Karnatheon he/him]

"Ok. That honestly does relieve some of my misgivings about everything. I'm sorry for misunderstanding what you meant by certain things, and assuming the worst. The one thing that I still feel apprehensive about is the one where you can create an Alleyverse wide government and then enforce the rules you set up yourself. Obviously it seems like almost everyone has voted against Hellbent getting a weapon, but the details should still be ironed out in the event another character ascends and people vote in favor of that. Basically, I think that if a governing system is ever officially set into place it should very heavily be equally influenced and agreed upon by all members of the community before it is allowed to be implemented. Otherwise someone could just make whatever they want to a rule and then enforce it on everyone, which seems very easily abused."

[old man moomba he/him]

 I have some experience in the realm of setting up checks and balances for rp governments. You want me to help with that?

 

[Karnatheon he/him]

"I don't know if I want there to be a government set up, personally. It could have benefits, but the unruly aspect of the Alleyverse is part of the fun. And like I said, Everyone would need to be on board with the idea before I would have any desire to have that happen. It all depends on how strict it would be intended to be. Is it an enforced and agreed upon thing by all the guilds? At that point cooperation would need to be very highly incentivised and supported."

[old man moomba he/him]

"We shall see. Tomorrow I might do the next God Weapon or the Expo. Or both, we'll see."

[+Sorana she/her]

I throw my phone on the floor and stomp on it. It's hard, but it breaks. Then I wonder how often I've done this already and get the slight impression that my narrator imagined me doing this for a while.

Satisfied with the result I read through the posts I missed.

"I would prefer to not create too many time travel scenarious. I know it has been stated before, but I fear that will to situations we have a hard time to sort out."

Turning to @Dr. Jacques Rodriguez : "What do you have in mind?"