The Chat Thread

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

Just now, Arlin said:

Good luck trying to encroach on the DA's turf. It would be a fun plot to see happen anyhow.

my point. it would be fun.

[kenod]

2 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

that gives me an AWESOME idea for STE. what if STE was trying to make the Alleys safer so that you can travel through them faster and better. but STE also would put tariffs and the like the get through their faster way. would that potentially work?

Potentially, but given that the alleys are also the home of the DA and related abominations, unrelated people trying to use them could end very badly for them. Also, as noted, the DA might take exception to a different guild trying to use DA territory for paid fast-travel.

[Voidus]

5 minutes ago, ZincAboutIt said:

The Alleys are kind of like a universe stuffed into a city.

Best explanation I've ever heard.

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

1 minute ago, kenod said:

Potentially, but given that the alleys are also the home of the DA and related abominations, unrelated people trying to use them could end very badly for them. Also, as noted, the DA might take exception to a different guild trying to use DA territory for paid fast-travel.

ah well, it might happen eventually, I think the STE would be wary of doing it outright, they would want to wait until they are sure they could do it.

[Voidus]

3 minutes ago, kenod said:

Potentially, but given that the alleys are also the home of the DA and related abominations, unrelated people trying to use them could end very badly for them. Also, as noted, the DA might take exception to a different guild trying to use DA territory for paid fast-travel.

There's also the problem that literally nobody other than the DA know how to use the Alleys in anything even resembling a safe manner, particularly in the Forgery since people don't even believe they exist.

[kenod]

Actually, that does make me wonder about a potential non-DA-exclusive magic system.

Though to be honest, even the DA people don't use the DA magic systems that much, aside from basic alley travel.

1 minute ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

ah well, it might happen eventually, I think the STE would be wary of doing it outright, they would want to wait until they are sure they could do it.

Then they won't ever be able to do it, tbh. I'm not sure about the current power level of the DA, since almost all their high-level (read god-level) department leaders aren't part of the rewritten, current DA, but even then, they do have a minor army of hemalurgic abominations available

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

1 minute ago, kenod said:

Actually, that does make me wonder about a potential non-DA-exclusive magic system.

Though to be honest, even the DA people don't use the DA magic systems that much, aside from basic alley travel.

Then they won't ever be able to do it, tbh. I'm not sure about the current power level of the DA, since almost all their high-level (read god-level) department leaders aren't part of the rewritten, current DA, but even then, they do have a minor army of hemalurgic abominations available

hm, unless... is anyone in the shop for a war between guilds? or the DA collapsing? or maybe alliances between guilds against other guilds? this seems like it would be an interesting plot line if you guys haven't done it before.

[Arlin]

4 minutes ago, kenod said:

Actually, that does make me wonder about a potential non-DA-exclusive magic system.

Though to be honest, even the DA people don't use the DA magic systems that much, aside from basic alley travel.

Then they won't ever be able to do it, tbh. I'm not sure about the current power level of the DA, since almost all their high-level (read god-level) department leaders aren't part of the rewritten, current DA, but even then, they do have a minor army of hemalurgic abominations available

It has been established that the Alleyverse has at least a few native spren call its own. You you could make a weird Singer-form out of or something.

 

[Voidus]

3 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

hm, unless... is anyone in the shop for a war between guilds? or the DA collapsing? or maybe alliances between guilds against other guilds? this seems like it would be an interesting plot line if you guys haven't done it before.

Just once or twice an era every era since the dawn of the Alleyverse  

[kenod]

4 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

hm, unless... is anyone in the shop for a war between guilds? or the DA collapsing? or maybe alliances between guilds against other guilds? this seems like it would be an interesting plot line if you guys haven't done it before.

We've had guild wars before, though they didn't always go so well. As for defeating the DA in a guild war... I guess it depends on what you consider a defeat? Lessening influence in the city is possible, it has happened before. Actually destroying them, probably won't happen, mostly thanks to the fact that they can simply retreat into the alleys where others can't touch them.

1 minute ago, Arlin said:

It has been established that the Alleyverse has at least a few native spren call its own. You you could make a weird Singer-form out of or something.

 

I was thinking less a local extension of existing magic systems, and more a full new magic system.

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

1 minute ago, Voidus said:

Just once or twice an era every era since the dawn of the Alleyverse  

lol. are there any alliances between guilds that I should know of?

Just now, kenod said:

We've had guild wars before, though they didn't always go so well. As for defeating the DA in a guild war... I guess it depends on what you consider a defeat? Lessening influence in the city is possible, it has happened before. Actually destroying them, probably won't happen, mostly thanks to the fact that they can simply retreat into the alleys where others can't touch them.

I was thinking less a local extension of existing magic systems, and more a full new magic system.

Hm, I wonder if potentially an alliance between guilds could be made against the DA to take down their hold on the alleys... also a new magic system is something I'd support.

[kenod]

1 minute ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

Hm, I wonder if potentially an alliance between guilds could be made against the DA to take down their hold on the alleys...

They won't, largely thanks to the fact that nobody except the DA can really navigate the alleys, especially the deeper parts. Chances are they'll just all run into alleys that kill you in a bunch of horrible ways.

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

Just now, kenod said:

They won't, largely thanks to the fact that nobody except the DA can really navigate the alleys, especially the deeper parts. Chances are they'll just all run into alleys that kill you in a bunch of horrible ways.

well I wonder if at least the DA could be driven into the alleys. maybe be trapped there. this could potentially be a better deal for the other guilds. hmmmm, thanks for the ideas y'all!

[Voidus]

4 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

lol. are there any alliances between guilds that I should know of?

Hm, I wonder if potentially an alliance between guilds could be made against the DA to take down their hold on the alleys... also a new magic system is something I'd support.

There was an alliance of guilds in era 1 to take down the DA, that culminated in the aforementioned nuking of the city.

6 minutes ago, kenod said:

I was thinking less a local extension of existing magic systems, and more a full new magic system.

Voidmaking isn't DA exclusive, just very rare and so not really easily learnable by people outside the DA. It's basically necessitating some discussion with mods to make happen. Then again I suppose in-world it's not technically an Alleyverse magic since it predates the universes creation.

[Thaidakar the Ghostblood he/him]

Just now, Voidus said:

There was an alliance of guilds in era 1 to take down the DA, that culminated in the aforementioned nuking of the city.

Voidmaking isn't DA exclusive, just very rare and so not really easily learnable by people outside the DA. It's basically necessitating some discussion with mods to make happen. Then again I suppose in-world it's not technically an Alleyverse magic since it predates the universes creation.

hmmmm. the DA nuked the city? interesting. would pushing most of the DA into the alleys and then sealing off the entrances an option for an endgame?

[Arlin]

7 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

 

Hm, I wonder if potentially an alliance between guilds could be made against the DA to take down their hold on the alleys...

Hahahahaha...  Been there done that. You know how everyone freaks out when they get their memories back? Yeah...  Check out the Seven Day War if you want more detail on how that goes.

[kenod]

3 minutes ago, Voidus said:

Voidmaking isn't DA exclusive, just very rare and so not really easily learnable by people outside the DA. It's basically necessitating some discussion with mods to make happen. Then again I suppose in-world it's not technically an Alleyverse magic since it predates the universes creation.

True and true, I guess. And to be fair, alleymatics wasn't supposed to be DA-exclusive either, wasn't it? IIRC it was originally that if someone invented a new concept that got included in the alleyverse, their chars could control it. It just ended up morphing into a magic system revolving around manipulating the alleys.

Hmm, doesn't that mean alleytravel is just the most basic subset of alleymatics?

2 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

hmmmm. the DA nuked the city? interesting. would pushing most of the DA into the alleys and then sealing off the entrances an option for an endgame?

No, the space marines did

Edited March 19, 2022 by kenod

[Arlin]

1 minute ago, kenod said:

No, the space marines did

I think he is refering to the Phoenix. 

[Voidus]

6 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

well I wonder if at least the DA could be driven into the alleys. maybe be trapped there. this could potentially be a better deal for the other guilds. hmmmm, thanks for the ideas y'all!

This is more or less already the case. The DA largely don't actually care or interfere much with the wider city unless it's affecting them in the Alleys. Mostly because the RP becomes very boring if there are a bunch of demigods just wandering around handwaving the problems away. Though by necessity of the RP we do tend to mostly see the few members of the DA who actually do wander about the wider city from time to time.

4 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

hmmmm. the DA nuked the city? interesting. would pushing most of the DA into the alleys and then sealing off the entrances an option for an endgame?

No someone else nuked the city because the DA was defending itself and murdering pretty much everyone in the process. And no, not really. In part because there's just absolutely no way to seal the Alleys against the DA, but also because there are several demigod level department heads who would get personally annoyed at that and just use less standard Alleytravel to arrive in the city.

2 minutes ago, kenod said:

True and true, I guess. And to be fair, alleymatics wasn't supposed to be DA-exclusive either, wasn't it? IIRC it was originally that if someone invented a new concept that got included in the alleyverse, their chars could control it. It just ended up morphing into a magic system revolving around manipulating the alleys.

Hmm, doesn't that mean alleytravel is just the most basic subset of alleymatics?

No, the space marines did

I think that was discussed yeah though we never really went anywhere with it that much. And yeah, Alleytravel is just the most basic application of Alleymatics.

[kenod]

Just now, Arlin said:

I think he is refering to the Phoenix. 

Oh, right, the brass compounder blew themselves up to drive off the phoenix, right. Though iirc the space marines did perform an orbital strike later to get rid of the escaped and out-of-control DA abominations.

[Arlin]

@Thaidakar the Ghostblood I think you you might be getting a picture about just how ireprocable the DA is from the above conversation.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 19, 2022 by Arlin

[MacThorstenson he/him]

20 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

hmmmm. the DA nuked the city? interesting. would pushing most of the DA into the alleys and then sealing off the entrances an option for an endgame?

If I recall correctly the city was nuked because when everyone invaded and pissed off the DA they realized that was the best way to stop the fighting. The DA didn't nuke it, the invaders did it to stop the retaliation.

[Voidus]

24 minutes ago, kenod said:

Oh, right, the brass compounder blew themselves up to drive off the phoenix, right. Though iirc the space marines did perform an orbital strike later to get rid of the escaped and out-of-control DA abominations.

Yeah someone exploded on top of the Phoenix, which then out of respect retreated from the city. Then after that the marines nuked half the city from orbit to kill off the abominations that everyone was fighting.
Almost all of which could have been avoided if someone had not chosen to throw a fruit-that-shall-not-be-named at the Worldspike.

[kenod]

Now I kind of want to make a guild that promotes the sale of pineapple pizza just to see how quickly and how horribly they get destroyed. It might even break the forgery with the sheer energy and violence involved.

[Voidus]

1 minute ago, kenod said:

Now I kind of want to make a guild that promotes the sale of pineapple pizza just to see how quickly and how horribly they get destroyed. It might even break the forgery with the sheer energy and violence involved.

I feel like the Stranger was wise enough to excise them from existence in the Forgery. Some hatreds are too powerful to be overcome even with reality-bending magic that reshapes the entire world.