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Aili was a Returned? That was interesting, thought Wyrm. An Idrian Returned, at that. The Idrians revered the Returned as much as the Hallandrens did, but they didn't extend their lives with extra Breaths. Aili didn't seem to be that devout though, so that explained that strangeness away a bit. She could be buying Breaths as the Hallandrens (and a few Idrians, he'd be willing to bet) were doing.

 

Of course, she could be stealing the Breaths away as well - The Pahn Kahl seemed to be forcing people to give up their Breaths when they killed people - but he didn't think she was Pahn Kahl. The suspicion he had was fleeting, and didn't really stand up to examination. He was probably just becoming paranoid. Who wouldn't become paranoid in these circumstances?

 

But why reveal herself like this? He didn't think it was getting to the end of the week yet; she should have a few more days before she needed to beg more Breaths off of people. Revealing yourself to be Returned was just making you a target for the Pahn Kahl now.

 

Although, maybe that was the point - The Returned were meant to be sent back for a reason, though Wyrm had never seen any actual proof of this. Maybe Aili's reason was to try and help the people here, and she believed that this was the best way to do it. Self-sacrifice was what the Hallandren believed their gods should do, after all.

Posted (edited)

Gammer took Aili's announcement without batting a lash. She immediately funneled any reaction she might have had into the embroidery, laboring away incessantly over the fabrics. You don't see many Idrian Returned, though, she remarked to herself. Gammer had always found it odd that Idrians had never allowed their Returned to stay alive. Equating Breaths to the soul was pure foolishness. Many Drabs made it by just fine in life. One could even argue being Breathless made life easier, even. Not having people constantly bargaining for your Breath, coveting it like it was priceless, but still putting a price tag on it all the same.

Gammer didn't put much stock in Breaths or awakening. Lifeless didn't even bother her that much, honestly. They actually seemed smarter than humans to her sometimes because they knew when to keep their traps shut. No. She didn't let herself be bothered much by the announcement, besides the slight aggravation of doubling back and adding an aura and more swirling colours around Aili's name. She was still going to call her that, not that Trueheart nonsense. Gammer was still her elder and would address her however she saw fit.

OOC: Nothing to really add, so just expanded on Gammer's crotchety personality a little bit. She is quite the rude old lady.

Edited by Gamma Fiend
Posted (edited)

Day 4: Overdue Progression

Cadmium

After their happy agreement on a partnership at the Red Salmon Jeo and Aili retired to the restaurant to hash out the details. Late into the night they had finally sorted out a full agreement. Jeo had just finished clearing the last of the dishes and was walking back to the table where Aili was sitting when she noticed something odd. The way he was walking seemed slightly off, as if he was very tense. Alarmed she started to rise to her feet and Jeo lunged forward, catching her in the side with the kitchen knife he had concealed behind his back.

 

Aili gasped with pain and clapped a hand to her side as she fell back to the floor. Jeo stood over her, “Time to die soul-eater!” He raised the knife again but before he could strike the door to the restaurant crashed inwards and 2 men charged in. Their skin was grey and their eyes were dull with no spark of intelligence or life. “No!” Jeo shouted, he stepped away from Aili and tried to make it to the back exit. But the lifeless were too fast for him and one of them blocked the door while the other advanced, raising it's sword. Jeo raised his knife in a pitiful attempt to block the creatures swing. Bright red blood sprayed against the lifeless's dull grey legs and trousers, their orders complete they then quietly left the restaurant leaving the door hanging off its hinges and Aili lying on the floor trying to slow the flow of blood from her side.

 

In another part of town words were whispered and breath flowed.

 

With the blood for the night already spent and the available breath bought the town grew quiet and empty. All except for the abandoned blacksmith which glowed with the light of the forge. Inside, a figure hammered away, forging a blade like none other. They smiled as they worked, their brow covered with sweat from the heat of the forge. With this sword in hand there would be no stopping them. Finally the work was done and the smith stood examining the sword for a moment, then they spoke a command and an enormous wave of breath flowed from them and into the sword. The figure tenderly lifted their creation, admiring it in the light of the forge. Then they spoke; “Sword, I name you Cuddles!”

 

Edit: As day broke Vard (now a lifeless) was discovered and added to the Lifeless garrison.

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Jeo was a normal Pahn Kahl!

Aili was saved by the 5th heightening but is now injured!

An awakened sword called "Cuddles" was made.

 

To make sure it is clear whether I say normal or awakener or whatever next to a dead player describes their role at the beginning of the game.

 

Day 4 begins and will end at 22:30 AEST / 12:30 GMT on Monday. Extension over the Easter weekend.

 

A quick note on Returned as people will likely have forgotten or not noticed this. Returned can be any of Hallandren, Idrian or Pahn Kahl. That isn't to say that there necessarily is a PK Returned, you will have to find that out for yourself, I would be posting this reminder regardless of if there was one or not.

 

All pm's will go out in the next couple of hours as I get time. I will post saying when they are all sent (sorry for delays.) Major assignment due effectively tomorrow night/friday morning is taking a lot of my time.

 

Happy Easter everybody =D

Edited by lord Claincy Ffnord
Posted

Good game, Jeo.

 

I think congratulations are in order to whoever sent the Lifeless there. If it was actually Aili, well done. If not... Well, well done to whoever's hiding in the shadows there. :P

 

And also someone now has an Awakened Sword. Guess we'll have to wait and see as to which side it belongs to.

Posted

Good game, Jeo.

 

Alan paced back and forth all night. This Jeo. He was an Idrian, but he worshipped the survivor. He sought chaos and destruction. He angrily took a knife and tossed it at the wall. damnation. Someone should do something about that bastard or they'd all be ended. He could imagine his face. So smug in its ownership of the pub. Fists clenched, Alan pounded the wall angrily. He wouldn't be sleeping tonight.

 

...later...

 

He heard screams and rushed to the building. Lifeless there- they had killed Jeo. Thank Austre. They would have to be imprisoned but... this was good. They just got a chance. They might survive. 

 

"I am an Idrian but... thank you, whoever. I know that lifeless are a heresy, an abomination but... I can see why you use them. Whoever did it, I offer you my vote in support of lifeless. I can see how essential they are now."

Posted

Though I was proven right, we didn't get much out of this night. I was suspicious of Aili, but obviously it's not possible that she's Pahn Kahl considering that she was just attacked by one. We're effectively back at square one.

Posted

Think it's pretty likely the PK who made it, unless someone on the good side is doing some serious back room breath trades and hiding it well.

 

Yeah, I doubt that the Hallandrens have it (and I would be utterly amazed if the Idrians did :P), so I fear that you're right, and the Pahn Kahl can now kill two people a night.

 

Though I was proven right, we didn't get much out of this night. I was suspicious of Aili, but obviously it's not possible that she's Pahn Kahl considering that she was just attacked by one. We're effectively back at square one.

 

We're not quite at square one, thankfully. Someone told people not to vote for Jeo because he had an important role, didn't they? People need to come forward and say who that person was, since they were obviously wrong, and Jeo was PK. Unless, of course, they were massively mistaken, but I doubt they'd do backroom deals to save Jeo if they weren't certain. So we can work on that theory at least to question people.

Posted

We're not quite at square one, thankfully. Someone told people not to vote for Jeo because he had an important role, didn't they? People need to come forward and say who that person was, since they were obviously wrong, and Jeo was PK. Unless, of course, they were massively mistaken, but I doubt they'd do backroom deals to save Jeo if they weren't certain. So we can work on that theory at least to question people.

 

Aili admitted yesterday that she was the one who had sent out some messages to have the vote swayed towards dyrii (and presumably away from Jeo) so that.... complicates the issue with her being attacked last night and being a Returned.

Posted

There's also the possibility that some of the people who claimed that they were told not to vote for Jeo by someone were lying entirely. Looking at the pattern of votes is worthwhile, even if the bulk of people, myself included, got overwhelmed and ended up just no participating at all.

 

So in order:

Bartholomew gave his breath to Aodan

Jeo voted for Ver (V: 1)

Cog voted for Jeo (V:1 J:1)

Ben voted for Jeo (V:1 J:2)

Wyrm voted for Chide (V: 1 J:2 C:1)

Jeo retracts vote for Ver, votes for Chide (J: 2 C: 2)

Wil'son voted for Jeo (J: 3 C: 2)

Dyrii voted for Wil'son (J: 3 C:2 W: 1)

Aili voted for Bartholomew(J: 3 C:2 W:1 B:1)

Rowan voted for Chide (J: 3 C:3 W:1 B:1)

Peng voted for Chide (J: 3 C:4 W:1 B:1)

Grim voted for Chide (J: 3 C:5 W:1 B:1)

Asgren voted for Jeo, pushing for a tie. (J: 4 C:5 W:1 B:1)

Rowan retracts vote for Chide, and votes for Jeo. (J: 5 C:4 W:1 B:1)

Rick votes for Jeo (J: 6 C:4 W:1 B:1)

Aodan votes for Dyrii (J: 6 C:4 W:1 B:1 D:1)

Aili retracts vote for Bartholomew and votes for Dyrii (J:6 C:4 W:1 D:2)

Elo votes for Chide  (J:6 C:5 W:1 D:2) I'd be interested in an explanation for this decision

Jeo tries to convince Ail to vote Chide over Dyrii

Jeo retracts vote for Chide, and votes for Dyrii (J:6 C:4 W:1 D:3)

Nepene votes for Jeo (J:7 C:4 W:1 D:3)

Tril votes for Dyrii (J:7 C:4 W:1 D:4)

Summon gives breath to Aodan

Rowan retracts vote for Jeo, votes for Dyrii (J: 6 C:4 W:1 D:5) I'd be interested in an explanation here

Gammer votes for Jeo (J:7 C:4 W:1 D:5)

Grim retracts vote for Chide, votes for Dyrii (J:7 C:3 W:1 D:6)

Asgren retracts vote for Jeo, votes for Chide (J:6 C:4 W:1 D:6)

Rick retracts vote for Jeo, votes for Dyrii (J:5 C:4 W:1 D:7)

 

Those who failed to vote for one reason or other: Sifa, Cen, Chide, Thomas, Ver, Sart, Dirt, and Dainard.

Posted (edited)

 

Aili admitted yesterday that she was the one who had sent out some messages to have the vote swayed towards dyrii (and presumably away from Jeo) so that.... complicates the issue with her being attacked last night and being a Returned.

 

 

Oh, right. I must've missed that post. Jeo, how could you repay her saving your life by attacking her like that? :(

 

Interesting then that she was attacked, since she was at least partially convinced of Jeo's innocence. Maybe they just picked at random then, or something.

 

So you're right about being mostly at square one. Thankfully, we have until Monday to discuss this, which is rather nice.

 

EDIT: If they were not told but claimed to be told, then Aili should be able to point them out to us easily.

Edited by Wyrmhero
Posted

Interesting then that she was attacked, since she was at least partially convinced of Jeo's innocence. Maybe they just picked at random then, or something.

 

 

I see two scenarios for this. Aili seemed to be pretty convinced of Jeo's trustworthiness which means they were likely exchanging quite a bit of information between themselves. Jeo probably knew Aili was Returned and thought attacking her would prove her innocence and by association Jeo's since Aili had vouched for him. He just didn't count on the lifeless so the plan backfired a bit (though Aili is now vulnerable).

 

The second scenario is much more convoluted so I'll keep that to myself and see how things pan out before voicing it.

 

So you're right about being mostly at square one. Thankfully, we have until Monday to discuss this, which is rather nice.

I wouldn't say we are back to square one. Now that we know Jeo was PK, we can look more closely at the votes from the last few days paying particular attention to who made votes that protected Jeo, who voted for Swimim, who voted against Jeo, and who Jeo himself voted for.

 

Some of these votes are ones that were made but retracted later on. I included them because they are still telling.

 

 

Day 2:

Swimin: Rick, Tril, Gammer, Aili, Dainard, Rowan

Chid (night 2): Elo, Grim

 

Day 3:

Chid: Elo, Wyrm, Asgren, Peng

Dyrii: Rick, Tril, Grim, Aili, Rowan

 

People who voted for Jeo: Cog, Ben, wil'son, Alan, Gammer, Rowan, Asgren

 

Jeo voted for: Dainard, Ben, Quiver

 

If we remove those last ten names who seem to not be on Jeo's side, that leaves Rick, Tril, Grim, Elo, Wyrm, Peng

 

Rick and Tril voted for both Swim and Dyrii so they are at the top of my list followed by the other four in the order listed above.

 

We've got a lot of time for this day cycle but I'm going to get us started off early by voting Rick at this point. Sorry if you just made some unfortunate vote choices but you seem most suspicious to me after last night's events.

 

 

Posted (edited)

 

Aili admitted yesterday that she was the one who had sent out some messages to have the vote swayed towards dyrii (and presumably away from Jeo) so that.... complicates the issue with her being attacked last night and being a Returned.

 

Ailil could just be someone who has gotten the 5th heightening. It's more likely she is returned because she is Idrian, but it's still possible. 

Jeo did tell me he was giving his breath to a returned. He could have been lying to me, or he could have given his breath to a Returned PK.

Edited by Macen
Posted

So who voted with Jeo?

 

Wym voted with Jeo for Chide.

 

Rowan Peng and Grim voted with Jeo once.

 

Rowan voted for Jeo, a good sign of their innocence.

 

Elo voted for Chide.

 

Aodan voted for Dyrii

 

Tril voted for Dyrii

 

Rowan, Grim, and Rick voted for Dyrii.

 

So could all of those people account for their motives and roleplay their innocence?

Posted

 

 

I see two scenarios for this. Aili seemed to be pretty convinced of Jeo's trustworthiness which means they were likely exchanging quite a bit of information between themselves. Jeo probably knew Aili was Returned and thought attacking her would prove her innocence and by association Jeo's since Aili had vouched for him. He just didn't count on the lifeless so the plan backfired a bit (though Aili is now vulnerable).

 

The second scenario is much more convoluted so I'll keep that to myself and see how things pan out before voicing it.

 

I wouldn't say we are back to square one. Now that we know Jeo was PK, we can look more closely at the votes from the last few days paying particular attention to who made votes that protected Jeo, who voted for Swimim, who voted against Jeo, and who Jeo himself voted for.

 

Some of these votes are ones that were made but retracted later on. I included them because they are still telling.

 

 

Day 2:

Swimin: Rick, Tril, Gammer, Aili, Dainard, Rowan

Chid (night 2): Elo, Grim

 

Day 3:

Chid: Elo, Wyrm, Asgren, Peng

Dyrii: Rick, Tril, Grim, Aili, Rowan

 

People who voted for Jeo: Cog, Ben, wil'son, Alan, Gammer, Rowan, Asgren

 

Jeo voted for: Dainard, Ben, Quiver

 

If we remove those last ten names who seem to not be on Jeo's side, that leaves Rick, Tril, Grim, Elo, Wyrm, Peng

 

Rick and Tril voted for both Swim and Dyrii so they are at the top of my list followed by the other four in the order listed above.

 

We've got a lot of time for this day cycle but I'm going to get us started off early by voting Rick at this point. Sorry if you just made some unfortunate vote choices but you seem most suspicious to me after last night's events.

 

 

Makes sense. I'm voting for Rick.

Posted (edited)

So who voted with Jeo?

 

Wym voted with Jeo for Chide.

So could all of those people account for their motives and roleplay their innocence?

 

It's rather difficult for me to say anything about the fact I voted with him. All I can say for my part is that I've just been voting for inactives since the beginning of the game to try and get them to take part, and I voted before Jeo did when he voted for Chide as well as me. I also never changed my vote to Dyrii to save Jeo, or anything like that.

 

I decided to tabulate our final votes, for the moment, just so I can see things at a quick glance. Currently, it seems as though Cen, Sifa, Chide, Ver, Ben, Sart and Jim are all inactives. Alan, Asgren, Dyrii and Wil'son have only just started voting - Though Dyrii will never vote again, sadly...

 

Thomas, however, has been making roughly one post each day or night, but hasn't actually voted for anyone at all yet or even defended himself the previous two days I've voted for him (particularly the first day when he was almost lynched), so it's back to accusing him for me :P

 

So, Thomas, care to explain why you've never defended yourself or voted, but have still been a part of the game?

 

People who have voted for people who have eventually been lynched: Rick, Gammer, Bartholomew, Tril, Rowan, Aili, Aodan. Obviously Aodan is safe. Gammer voted for Jeo the previous day, so she is probably safe. Of the six people who voted on the first day, only Aili and Rowan have voted for people who have been lynched later on.

Edited by Wyrmhero
Posted (edited)

Rowan retracts vote for Jeo, votes for Dyrii (J: 6 C:4 W:1 D:5) I'd be interested in an explanation here

honestly, I didn't really have any suspects yesterday and I had even less evidence, so at Aodan's suggestion (he can confirm this) I was voting and changing my votes to try to stir things up, get discussions going, see what we can find out.

I switched from Jeo to Dyrio because Jeo (not Ailli) PMed me, saying he was working with important people and had been instructed to vote for Dyrii. I was (rightly) skeptical, but went ahead and switched to Dyrii because at the time we didn't have any real reason to suspect Jeo more than Dyrii, and also at the time Jeo had far more votes than Dyrii or anyone else, so changing my vote wasn't too impactful. After Dyrii proved innocent, our suspicions of Jeo and Ailli rose, which is why I suspect Jeo was targeted by the lifeless. I would be surprised if Ailli wasn't spied on last night to confirm/disprove her innocent.

Edited by Herowannabe
Posted (edited)

To make this clear: Like how I will call out anyone who pretends to use the Idrian monk ability in thread I will call out anyone who pretends to reveal themselves as a returned when they are not one. So don't do it.

 

And yes, Aili is a returned.

Soo many things that we never think of till they come up and are misunderstood or unclear or simply not catered for by the current rules!

Edited by lord Claincy Ffnord
Posted

Ailil could just be someone who has gotten the 5th heightening. It's more likely she is returned because she is Idrian, but it's still possible. 

Jeo did tell me he was giving his breath to a returned. He could have been lying to me, or he could have given his breath to a Returned PK.

Aili revealed herself as a returned last night. It's worth noting that she did this after everyone was required to send their night actions in. I would definitely like to see an explanation of her actions/motivations, including why she was so convinced of Jeo's innocence and believed him to be a valuable contributing member of the innocent people.

 

Also can our great GM offer insight into whether the Pahn Kahl could possibly attack one of their own?

 

I don't think we can assume people to be innocent just because they, at some point, voted for Jeo. Particularly if they hopped on Jeo's bandwagon late when it looked like he was going down, and then switched when they saw a glimmer of hope to save him. *eyes Rick and Rowan*

 

Thanks for the explanation Rowan. I still find the way you bounce to whoever seems to be accumulating votes suspicious, but admit that that's probably a valid playstyle to encourage conversation and voting. In the interest of the other explanation I want to see, I am going to vote for Elo at this current time.

 

Since some people seem to have appreciated the Day 3 summary, here's Day 1 and Day 2. If anyone wants to go through and double-check my work, that would be appreciated.

 

Day 1:

Aili votes for Ben

Rowan votes for Cog

Jeo votes for Dainard

Wyrm votes for Thomas

Jeo unvotes Dainard and votes for Ben

Elo votes for Thomas

Rowan unvotes Cog, and votes for Ben

Summon votes for Thomas (Ben:3 Thomas:3)

 

Day 2: (By the way, it is a lot harder to do this when people go back and edit their initial vote for someone to green when they decide to vote for someone else. Is that something people are supposed to be doing?)

Bartholomew votes for Cog

Rick votes for Cog

Aodan votes for Cog

Fron votes for Bart

Cog votes for Aodan

Rowan votes for Cog

Gammer votes for Aodan

Aili votes for Rowan (Cog:4 Aodan:2 Bart:1 Rowan:1)

Aodan unvotes Cog

Summon votes for Aodan

Fron unvotes Bart (Cog:2 Aodan:3 Rowan:1)

Bart votes for Aodan (unvoting Cog)

Rowan unvotes Cog and votes for Bart (Cog:1 Aodan:4 Bart:1 Rowan:1)

Dyrii votes Cog (Cog:2 Aodan:4 Bart:1 Rowan:1)

Aodan announces that he is innocent, and declares Cog innocent. Dyrii's vote for Cog will automatically be discounted. Rick's would stay

Wilson votes for Swimim

Summon unvotes Aodan 

Bart unvotes Aodan (Cog:1 Aodan:2 Bart:1 Rowan:1 Swimim:1)

Cog unvotes Aodan

Aili switches her Rowan vote to Cog, which turns out to not be allowed.

Summon votes Swimim

Peng votes for Alan (Cog:1 Aodan:1 Bart:1 Swimim:2, Alan:1)

Grim votes for Bart

Bart votes for Swimim

Rick unvotes Cog and votes for Swimim. (Aodan:1 Bart:2 Swimim:3 Alan:1)

Gammer unvotes Aodan

Summon unvotes Swimim

Wyrm votes for Chide

Grim unvotes Bart, votes for Chide

Elo votes for Chide (Bart:1 Swimim:2 Alan:1 Chide:3)

Gammer votes for Swimim (Bart:1 Swimim:3 Alan:1 Chide:3)

Ailin unvotes Cog(who she couldn't vote for) and votes for Swimim (Bart:1 Swimim:4 Alan:1 Chide:3)

Nard votes for Swimim

Rowan unvotes Bart and votes for Swimim

Wilson unvotes Swimim

Tulir votes Swimim

Wyrm unvotes Chide and votes for Thomas (swimim 7, chide:2 Thomas:1 Alan:1)

Posted (edited)

Aili revealed herself as a returned last night. It's worth noting that she did this after everyone was required to send their night actions in.

The Returned are told when they are targeted and given the option to reveal themselves publicly rather than in the write up. I'm guessing that was why Aili announced her role when she did.

 

Also can our great GM offer insight into whether the Pahn Kahl could possibly attack one of their own?

Nothing in the rules discount that and it has been used in previous games to try and make an evil member look innocent (that is part of the convoluted second option I mentioned above). Aili getting attacked by Jeo is no guarantee she is on our side. 

 

Day 1:

Aili votes for Ben

Rowan votes for Cog

Jeo votes for Dainard

Wyrm votes for Thomas

Jeo unvotes Dainard and votes for Ben

Elo votes for Thomas

Rowan unvotes Cog, and votes for Ben

Summon votes for Thomas (Ben:3 Thomas:3)

Case in point, notice that Aili and Jeo have been working together pretty actively since day 1. It's not proof but I'm still very suspicious of Aili. The day 1 votes also make it more or less certain Ben is clean.

 

Day 2: (By the way, it is a lot harder to do this when people go back and edit their initial vote for someone to green when they decide to vote for someone else. Is that something people are supposed to be doing?)

You technically only need to make a post like this to change your vote:

 

"I retract my vote for Barty and vote Vard instead."

 

It helps out Claincy with the final tally though if you go back and change your previous vote to green as well.

 

Edit: Formatting adjustment

Edited by Awesomeness Summoned
Posted

Since I seem to be among those who are under suspicion, I will defend myself. I already said most of what I have to say, so I think I will l just copy that.

Since I was one of those to vote both Chide and Dyrri, I will provide some defense of myself.

I voted for Chide first because I agreed with the idea of removing an inactive. An inactive is either Pahn Kahl or not helping the game significantly in either direction. At the time I had no particular suspicions of anyone else who had been voted for and I didn't want to have a tie, so I voted for him.

This morning, I woke up to well over a page of posts as well as a message from a player whom I will not name asking me to vote for Dyrri. I didn't have a whole lot of time, and really only gave the posts a couple quick scans to get the gist of what happened while I was away. Seeing that there seemed to be a movement against Dyrri as well as the fact that I had been asked to vote for him, I decided to change my vote while I could. I had more suspicion against him at the time at that point than anyone else who was voted for as well. Unfortunately, my vote against him turned out to be a bad decision.

If you look back through the game, you will see that I have yet to lead a vote against someone, have generally been part of bandwagons, and change my vote fairly easily. I see that these things are generally frowned upon, and I will try to avoid them in the future. As I have mentioned several times, I am doing my best to keep up with everything but not doing terribly well. In general, my goal is to keep the game moving. I'm not in a position where I can do much more than vote, so I am trying to do that as much as I can.

I had felt that the only way to keep the game moving was to kill people, but I have now rethought that. We have yet to root out any Pahn Kahl, and so far four have died. I now believe that killing is not the answer in all cases, and will try to consider my moves more carefully.

In summary, please do not move against me because of the way I've voted before now. I have changed my approach significantly, and hope that I will do better from here on out. I know my jumping to defend myself may seem suspicious, but let me reassert that I am just trying to do my best. I have nothing to hide and I want to let that be known.

I will clarify that the one to PM me to sway my decision on Dyrii was Aili, not Jeo, as it seems to be for some people.

I hope this is enough justification. Nothing has really changed for me since I posted that.

Posted

 

The Returned are told when they are targeted and given the option to reveal themselves publicly rather than in the write up. I'm guessing that was why Aili announced her role when she did.

 

Nothing in the rules discount that and it has been used in previous games to try and make an evil member look innocent (that is part of the convoluted second option I mentioned above). Aili getting attacked by Jeo is no guarantee she is on our side. 

 

 

 

Except the part where Jeo died in the attack. I somewhat doubt that Jeo decided to suicide just so Aili was considered innocent. It's possible I suppose, but I doubt it.

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