[Theory] It has been foreshadowed that Adolin will be a Radiant.

[Guest]

Renarin has not had his abilities for long at all. His powers as a Radiant have only very recently begun to manifest, as is clear from the fact that he only very recently stopped wearing his glasses.

 

Weeks elapse between the time he stopped wearing his glasses and the unlocking of the Oathgate.  He made glyphs on the wall during his father's visions since early on in WoR. All the clues point towards him having had his visions for a few weeks by the time he makes himself known. Nobody saw a thing which makes me think they do not manifest themselves in an invasive way the way Dalinar's visions manifest.

 

This of course is all speculation, but based on the clue we do have, I do believe he has been having Radiant powers since sometimes in the first third of WoR.

 

 

Renarin is a Radiant now. His every move will be watched and remembered. He may still be a weak boy on the inside, but that's not what the rest of the world will see him as.

 

They still would think him the weak link. They still would not think much of him. They will focus on Dalinar, not Renarin that is if Renarin ever goes public with it. So far, he has told the Radiants, there is no telling if the Radiants will wish for him to expose himself, especially once they learn what he can do. Dalinar can be quite overprotective when it comes to Renarin...

 

The only way I see the Ardentia discrediting Renarin is if they think they can use him to silence Dalinar. With Adolin becoming a murderer, they may see fit to highlight the other son is having forsaken visions of the future. I could see this happening, but I do not see this destroying Renarin who never seemed to care much about the Ardentia as he never even chose a Calling. He is used to being discredited, even if they go forward and call him a heresy, how would this even affect his life? He already is an outsider. He has been dealing with being an outsider badly looked upon all his life. I don't think they can harm him any more then he already was on that aspect. Besides, Renarin has his crew now: Bridge 4. He has allies and a family that would die to protect him: he is heavily sheltered.

 

I don't see him going down for it, not now he is finally accepting it. He will encounter a few bumps along the road, sure, but ultimately he has powers to make a difference and I think most of his story arc will be him figuring out how to make this happens. I see him having an important vision playing a crucial role which will highlight the usefulness of his particular talent. I also see him figuring out how to heal...

 

The one way I see him going down a darker path is based on his brother's reaction and not the Ardentia or the lighteyed population. Adolin has expressed a discomfort over the concept of visions of the future and has much on his mind. I can easily see them drift apart, based on serious miscommunication, and I can easily see Renarin think it is his fault or blame himself, somehow. This, I can definitely see, him feeling rejected by his brother. This would seriously impaired him, emotionally, much more then having a bunch of Ardent speaking badly about him.

[Guest]

Please, whoever is responsible for the downvote frenzy stop. Expressing an opinion you disagree with is NOT a valid reason to downvote someone. If you believe I was rude with you or offending, then write to me, in private, and explain how you think it was the case.

 

Downvotes are reserved for posts who are either: offending, rude or aggressive towards other members. I do not believe me stating I do not believe Renarin is going down a dark path nearly even begin to qualify as such.

 

If that keeps on, I'll just go and delete all my posts because I am getting quite fed up with it.

 

Thank you.

[sun tzaro]

Weeks elapse between the time he stopped wearing his glasses and the unlocking of the Oathgate.  He made glyphs on the wall during his father's visions since early on in WoR. All the clues point towards him having had his visions for a few weeks by the time he makes himself known. Nobody saw a thing which makes me think they do not manifest themselves in an invasive way the way Dalinar's visions manifest.

 

 

 

You're right - I edited my post before I saw yours. Sorry!

 

 

 

I don't see him going down for it, not now he is finally accepting it. He will encounter a few bumps along the road, sure, but ultimately he has powers to make a difference and I think most of his story arc will be him figuring out how to make this happens. I see him having an important vision playing a crucial role which will highlight the usefulness of his particular talent. I also see him figuring out how to heal...

 

 

 I think the bumps will be bigger than you seem to believe. But yes, in the end, Renarin will find his place, and he will be part of saving the world along with bro-bro and dad.

 

 

 

Downvotes are reserved for posts who are either: offending, rude or aggressive towards other members. I do not believe me stating I do not believe Renarin is going down a dark path nearly even begin to qualify as such.

 

 

I agree. Just upvoted your posts. 

 

 

Rereading my last few posts, I sound really passive-aggressive in my last few posts. That's not my intention. Forgive me.  

Edited November 16, 2014 by sun tzaro

[sun tzaro]

 

 

The only way I see the Ardentia discrediting Renarin is if they think they can use him to silence Dalinar. With Adolin becoming a murderer, they may see fit to highlight the other son is having forsaken visions of the future. I could see this happening, but I do not see this destroying Renarin who never seemed to care much about the Ardentia as he never even chose a Calling. He is used to being discredited, even if they go forward and call him a heresy, how would this even affect his life? He already is an outsider. He has been dealing with being an outsider badly looked upon all his life. I don't think they can harm him any more then he already was on that aspect. Besides, Renarin has his crew now: Bridge 4. He has allies and a family that would die to protect him: he is heavily sheltered.

 

 

I don't think Ardentia is, on the whole, that manipulative. The knee-jerk reaction to the knowledge that one of the Radiants can see the future will be to dismiss all of the Radiants (or at the very least, the Radiant in question) as Voidbringers.

 

Remember, in Alethkar men don't read solely because it goes against Vorin culture. Illiteracy was once widespread in reality, but that was because it was a privilege reserved to only scholars and the wealthy. In today's society, I can't imagine people choosing not reading. Gaining nearly all of your knowledge of the past second hand seems ridiculous to me. 

 

If cultural norms go that far, I'm certain that it will take a very long time for people to let go of their misgivings when it comes to soothsaying.

 

And... I meant to edit this into my last post. Whoops.

Edited November 16, 2014 by sun tzaro

[Twenty@20 he/him]

A few things about Vorinism I want to highlight. It is essentially localised to Alethkar, Jah kaved and perhaps Thaylen. The Horneaters, Herdazians, Purelakers, Azir etc don't follow Vorinism. IIRC, didn't Vorinism say that the last desolation was the final one? Didn't it say that the Voidbringers were destroyed? Now that Vorinism has been proved wrong on two major counts will it inspire the same devotion as before? Perhaps Truthwatchers seeing the future will only prove another Vorin principle wrong.

Ya there will be conflict between Vorinism and Radiants in general, but I feel Vorinism is a concept whose time is coming to an end as this desolation brings more and more devastation.

Maxal, upvotes for you!

[Kyats Rani she/her]

You see Adolin following Kaladin's lead??? Adolin is the war general and the strategist: he is not the protector of the weak and the oppressed. He protects, yes, but those he loves dearly.

Not exactly. I would just sooner see Adolin protecting than learning/giving or being pious I'm not saying I think this would happen - I'm saying that theoretically the possibility exists.

 

 

I disagree completely.

 

Dalinar couldn't hide his fits and he knew exactly when they would come.

 

Do you really think there is any way whatsoever that Renarin will be able to hide his abilities? He doesn't know when his fits will come on, let alone if any of them will leave him in as much horrified mania as this one did. And he just screamed that he could see the future in front of a bunch of ardents. 

 

When Shallan begins to siphon through the texts stored in Urithiru, she will enlist the help of ardents in translating them. The history of the Radiants will be known again. The abilities of the Truthwatchers will become known.

 

There is only one way that the ardentia will react to finding out that a Radiant can see the future. Sanderson has a ripe conflict in front of him when it comes to Renarin and Vorinism. There's no way he wouldn't take advantage of it.

 

I'm still flabbergasted that anyone can read this line

 

 

and think that Renarin has a bright dandy future hanging out with bro-bro and dad and saving the world from evil while everyone cheers him on.

 

I agree with Trip. Renarin has a dark path ahead of him, and it would be interesting in terms of a sort of role-reversal to see Adolin in the shadow of Renarin.

 

I agree with this. Renarin will have problems due to his visions. To survive this he would need much help and support from his family. Even if the Radiants and the rest of Kholins accept his abilities, most people won't as soon as they hear about them.

 

They still would think him the weak link. They still would not think much of him. They will focus on Dalinar, not Renarin that is if Renarin ever goes public with it. So far, he has told the Radiants, there is no telling if the Radiants will wish for him to expose himself, especially once they learn what he can do. Dalinar can be quite overprotective when it comes to Renarin...

 

The only way I see the Ardentia discrediting Renarin is if they think they can use him to silence Dalinar. With Adolin becoming a murderer, they may see fit to highlight the other son is having forsaken visions of the future. I could see this happening, but I do not see this destroying Renarin who never seemed to care much about the Ardentia as he never even chose a Calling. He is used to being discredited, even if they go forward and call him a heresy, how would this even affect his life? He already is an outsider. He has been dealing with being an outsider badly looked upon all his life. I don't think they can harm him any more then he already was on that aspect. Besides, Renarin has his crew now: Bridge 4. He has allies and a family that would die to protect him: he is heavily sheltered.

 

I don't see him going down for it, not now he is finally accepting it. He will encounter a few bumps along the road, sure, but ultimately he has powers to make a difference and I think most of his story arc will be him figuring out how to make this happens. I see him having an important vision playing a crucial role which will highlight the usefulness of his particular talent. I also see him figuring out how to heal...

 

The one way I see him going down a darker path is based on his brother's reaction and not the Ardentia or the lighteyed population. Adolin has expressed a discomfort over the concept of visions of the future and has much on his mind. I can easily see them drift apart, based on serious miscommunication, and I can easily see Renarin think it is his fault or blame himself, somehow. This, I can definitely see, him feeling rejected by his brother. This would seriously impaired him, emotionally, much more then having a bunch of Ardent speaking badly about him.

 

That's rather true. But let's remember that Dalinar (and Kholins in general) has many enemies even in Alethkar (*cough*Ialai*cough*). Those people will use whatever they can find to undermine him. His son seeing the future, which is very looked down upon by Vorinism, is going to be a great weapon to be used against Dalinar. How many problems he had because of his visions? And he wasn't seeing the future... Ardentia may turn against them now. Same goes for more supersitious population of Alethkar.

 

Renarin only starts to accept it but he still frets over it. He's not a very self-confident person. Even speaking to the other Radiants cost him much. Without support he won't be able to endure ardents and people going against him. Maybe it's not that much a new situation to him, but before he had Adolin who always stood by his side. Now, I think that the brothers will drift apart. Renarin won't have Adolin to lean upon.

 

We know that secrets among Kholins rarely stay secret for long. Renarin kept his abilities secret for quite some time, but now he revealed them. When he's officially claimed a Radiant, there will be people wanting to know what he can do. Shallan found the Oathgate, Kaladin flies and so on. What does Renarin do, then? He sees the future? But that's evil! Until then Renarin was considered useless,but now he will be seen as "evil". Before people ignored him and laughed at him. Now they will openly antagonise him.

 

At one point he will manage to make a difference and prove himself to be very, very useful. But it will be hard for him to do so. I think there is a bright future for him, but not just yet.

 

 

Please, whoever is responsible for the downvote frenzy stop. Expressing an opinion you disagree with is NOT a valid reason to downvote someone. If you believe I was rude with you or offending, then write to me, in private, and explain how you think it was the case.

 

Downvotes are reserved for posts who are either: offending, rude or aggressive towards other members. I do not believe me stating I do not believe Renarin is going down a dark path nearly even begin to qualify as such.

 

If that keeps on, I'll just go and delete all my posts because I am getting quite fed up with it.

 

Thank you.

 

Right now I don't exactly agree with your views on the subject, but you do provide good arguments. Have an upvote, if not for anything else then for giving me a chance to exercise my brain to find valid counterarguments

[Guest]

You're right - I edited my post before I saw yours. Sorry!

 

I thought I was going crazy this morning... I was re-reading your previous post and I did not remember reading the same thing yesterday... I was on the verge of thinking I had hallucinations

 

 

I agree. Just upvoted your posts. 

 

 

Rereading my last few posts, I sound really passive-aggressive in my last few posts. That's not my intention. Forgive me.  

 

I did not mean to imply it was you. There has been several unwarranted downvotes lately: several on my posts but also on others. I does look as if there is a troll purposely downvoting posts it disagrees with. We ought to be able to state an unpopular opinion without fearing downvotes as long as we try to remain respectful.

 

There is one part I thought was slightly aggressive, but I did get you did not mean too. I know for a fact it is not always easy to express properly something you strongly believe in against someone who disagrees with you. I am certainly guilty of sometimes sounding aggressive without meaning too.

 

 

I don't think Ardentia is, on the whole, that manipulative. The knee-jerk reaction to the knowledge that one of the Radiants can see the future will be to dismiss all of the Radiants (or at the very least, the Radiant in question) as Voidbringers.

 

I am not sure the Ardentia is not that manipulative... After all, they did re-wrote history in their favor, so I would not think it past them to use Renarin to discredit Dalinar.

 

I do agree with your last sentence. There is strong possibility the Ardentia will use Renarin's visions as an argument to dismiss the Radiants, but this would impact all the Radiants, not just Renarin. However, as I have stated many times, there is not telling the Ardentia will find out about Renarin. They will, eventually,  but by that time, it could the Radiants will have managed to carve themselves a comfortable niche.

 

 

 

Dalinar and friends managed to hide the countdown on the walls, sure, I'll give you that. But Renarin isn't in control during his episodes. He won't be able to hide them if he doesn't know when they are going to happen. Sooner or later, he will be discovered.

 

 

We do not know that. We do not know if he is or not in control. His panic attack at the end was most likely triggered by him seeing his vision coming to life. Just because he went down and scratch a number does not mean he was having a vision at the time. Let's not forget the number scratching thing happened following each and every one of Dalinar's visions which only happens during Highstorms. We have seen several times Renarin during the Highstorms and he was in complete control of himself. Whenever those visions manifests, it does not appear as if they are linked to the Highstorms. Besides, just because Dalinar cannot control his visions does not mean Renarin can't as well.

 

I think there is not sufficient textual support to claim as to whether Renarin is in control or not. For myself, the simple fact he managed to hide for several weeks makes me think they are not as invasive as Dalinar's. I could, of course, be wrong about this, but I do believe the argument is not strong enough to state without a doubt he'll be noticed.

 

 

 

Finally coming forward with his ability? He looked at them, then shrank back. Seen as accepting it? Renarin remained in the darkness, looking down. Embraced it? Embraced it?

 

I'd quote the part where he shivers when Dalinar grabs him the shoulder, but I'm getting a palpable sense of deja vu.

 

 

He spoke about it. This is about as much acceptance we are going to get from Renarin, I'd wager. He's spent weeks knowing what he was, knowing what he was becoming, knowing his father was desperately searching for Radiants and yet he refused to come forward with crucial information for fear of being judged upon by his very supportive family. If someone if to understand the dreaded nature of visions, it is Dalinar!

 

Based on this, the simple fact he actually managed to find the courage to talk about it, means he is finally accepting them. Before, I'd wager he was comforting himself into thinking it would go away or it was just disillusions.

 

Of course he remains in the shadow: he is a shy introvert boy who never had the spotlight on him. He does not want to be part of this and especially not in the way he is, but he came. He spoke of what he was and what he did: that is acceptance even if he still is afraid of it. He can grow from there. All the Radiants started to grow following their first oaths. I failed to see why Renarin would shrink instead of growing.

 

 

 

We know that secrets among Kholins rarely stay secret for long. Renarin kept his abilities secret for quite some time, but now he revealed them. When he's officially claimed a Radiant, there will be people wanting to know what he can do. Shallan found the Oathgate, Kaladin flies and so on. What does Renarin do, then? He sees the future? But that's evil! Until then Renarin was considered useless,but now he will be seen as "evil". Before people ignored him and laughed at him. Now they will openly antagonise him.

 

He didn't revealed himself: he told Dalinar, Kaladin and Shallan. Nobody else. My whole point is there is no telling when or even if the Ardentia will find out about Renarin in the near future. And even if they did, there is no telling this situation will be worst to live for Renarin who is already badly looked upon by pretty much everyone.

 

People currently openly laughed at him. Sadeas used a few unflattering terms to describe him in front of the court. My other point is that Renarin does not have much to lose and everything to gain. He has no friend, no social life, no defined position, nothing. To have people look down on you because of your sickness or because you are having visions of the future is pretty much the same.

 

What he has to lose, though, is the support of his family. I doubt he'll lose Dalinar, but his brother... Needless to say Adolin is not going someplace nice, so there is a strong chance he'll lose Adolin. Will this impact him as strongly as you seem to think? I am not sure. All through WoR, Renarin has taken steps to move away from Adolin's shadow. He joined Bridge 4 which are not turning into his family as opposed to his real family. He has refused to confide himself into his supposed best friend, his brother. The facts are Renarin has already started to break down the bridges between him and Adolin. It may not end up hurting him all that much. They have rarely been seen together in WoR whereas they always were in WoK.

 

Renarin has been changing, for a while now.

[Kyats Rani she/her]

He didn't revealed himself: he told Dalinar, Kaladin and Shallan. Nobody else. My whole point is there is no telling when or even if the Ardentia will find out about Renarin in the near future. And even if they did, there is no telling this situation will be worst to live for Renarin who is already badly looked upon by pretty much everyone.

 

People currently openly laughed at him. Sadeas used a few unflattering terms to describe him in front of the court. My other point is that Renarin does not have much to lose and everything to gain. He has no friend, no social life, no defined position, nothing. To have people look down on you because of your sickness or because you are having visions of the future is pretty much the same.

 

What he has to lose, though, is the support of his family. I doubt he'll lose Dalinar, but his brother... Needless to say Adolin is not going someplace nice, so there is a strong chance he'll lose Adolin. Will this impact him as strongly as you seem to think? I am not sure. All through WoR, Renarin has taken steps to move away from Adolin's shadow. He joined Bridge 4 which are not turning into his family as opposed to his real family. He has refused to confide himself into his supposed best friend, his brother. The facts are Renarin has already started to break down the bridges between him and Adolin. It may not end up hurting him all that much. They have rarely been seen together in WoR whereas they always were in WoK.

 

Renarin has been changing, for a while now.

 

You are right. We don't know when or if the truth about Renarin's powers will be known to the public, but I have a feeling it will be sooner or later. If this information will end up known to everyone I'm afraid Renarin won't be simply looked down upon like he was before - Vorin people believe that seeing the future is a thing of Voidbringers, so they will hate Renarin, not just laugh at him.

 

Right now I think Dalinar will be very supportive towards Renarin (as much as he can without neglecting his duties) - he always kind of identified with his younger son, being the second son himself. Actually, thanks for pointing out that the rift between Kholin brothers seems to form in WoR already. Somehow I missed it, but now that you mention it I see what you mean. It's not very significant yet, especially taking into account how Renarin supported his brother before his every duel. But something is up, comparing to WoK. Only now it will be propably much worse. I still think that falling apart with Adolin for real will impact Renarin. One thing is moving out of brother's shadow, other is completely losing said brother's support. Maybe it won't be that bad considering circumstances, but it will still affect Renarin (but mostly Adolin I think).

[Guest]

You are right. We don't know when or if the truth about Renarin's powers will be known to the public, but I have a feeling it will be sooner or later. If this information will end up known to everyone I'm afraid Renarin won't be simply looked down upon like he was before - Vorin people believe that seeing the future is a thing of Voidbringers, so they will hate Renarin, not just laugh at him.

 

Would it truly be worst for him in the every day life? Whether they laugh or they hate him, the result remains the same: he is ostracized from the Vorin society. He has been for years as he was a useless sickly child failing to embody the male ideal, which he could have pulled of had he managed to be good at something else manly, but he didn't. Poor Renarin's true skills lay in the arts traditionally reserved to women and Ardents. The way I see it, Renarin has already hit rock bottom when it comes to how he is perceived in the Vorin society, which I why I doubt he can go any lower. Or perhaps he can, in the eyes of others, but would it really affect him this deeply?

 

 

Right now I think Dalinar will be very supportive towards Renarin (as much as he can without neglecting his duties) - he always kind of identified with his younger son, being the second son himself. Actually, thanks for pointing out that the rift between Kholin brothers seems to form in WoR already. Somehow I missed it, but now that you mention it I see what you mean. It's not very significant yet, especially taking into account how Renarin supported his brother before his every duel. But something is up, comparing to WoK. Only now it will be propably much worse. I still think that falling apart with Adolin for real will impact Renarin. One thing is moving out of brother's shadow, other is completely losing said brother's support. Maybe it won't be that bad considering circumstances, but it will still affect Renarin (but mostly Adolin I think).

 

I have an inkling Renarin started to move away from Adolin on the day he started bonding Glys... The more he becomes a Radiant, the more incentive he gets to step out of big brother's shadow. He may not have planned it this way, but the result is the same. He is drifting away. By this I do not mean he would stop being supportive and loving towards his brother just that he has finally taken the steps to carve a life for himself.

 

Of course, it will ultimately impact Renarin to think the one person who has always stood strong behind him now seems to have moved away. He may not even see he actually was the one to take the first steps in this matter, not at first, but Renarin is the Truthwatcher.... He sees, he finds truths. He'll uncover his brother, I am quite sure of it.

 

Besides, Renarin has shown to be quite resilient... I see him reacting more in a matter of fact way: his brother is afraid of him. This is how it is. I am honestly a lot more worried about Adolin's reaction to the ordeal then Renarin. Renarin has been dealing with inner turmoil since, forever. He has most likely gotten use to it by now or resigned to it.

[Kyats Rani she/her]

Would it truly be worst for him in the every day life? Whether they laugh or they hate him, the result remains the same: he is ostracized from the Vorin society. He has been for years as he was a useless sickly child failing to embody the male ideal, which he could have pulled of had he managed to be good at something else manly, but he didn't. Poor Renarin's true skills lay in the arts traditionally reserved to women and Ardents. The way I see it, Renarin has already hit rock bottom when it comes to how he is perceived in the Vorin society, which I why I doubt he can go any lower. Or perhaps he can, in the eyes of others, but would it really affect him this deeply?

 

Ok, I get it. It may be true that personally Renarin won't be affected so much even if the society starts openly hating him, he's used to being inferior. But still there would be an impact on the whole family - public opinion is cruel.

 

 

I have an inkling Renarin started to move away from Adolin on the day he started bonding Glys... The more he becomes a Radiant, the more incentive he gets to step out of big brother's shadow. He may not have planned it this way, but the result is the same. He is drifting away. By this I do not mean he would stop being supportive and loving towards his brother just that he has finally taken the steps to carve a life for himself.

 

Of course, it will ultimately impact Renarin to think the one person who has always stood strong behind him now seems to have moved away. He may not even see he actually was the one to take the first steps in this matter, not at first, but Renarin is the Truthwatcher.... He sees, he finds truths. He'll uncover his brother, I am quite sure of it.

 

Besides, Renarin has shown to be quite resilient... I see him reacting more in a matter of fact way: his brother is afraid of him. This is how it is. I am honestly a lot more worried about Adolin's reaction to the ordeal then Renarin. Renarin has been dealing with inner turmoil since, forever. He has most likely gotten use to it by now or resigned to it.

 

Yeah, Renarin slowly starts to be more independent in his life than he used to be. The way it used to be in WoK, losing Adolin would completely crush poor Renarin. Now, he will be affected by this but he will pull through, propably better than Adolin.

[Guest]

Ok, I get it. It may be true that personally Renarin won't be affected so much even if the society starts openly hating him, he's used to being inferior. But still there would be an impact on the whole family - public opinion is cruel.

 

Yeah but the Kohlin family has been badly viewed upon for a while now... with Dalinar's visions and all... They were not the most popular folks around town... Dalinar did not care, Renarin did not seem to care either, in fact the only one who seemed affected by it was Adolin.

 

 

Yeah, Renarin slowly starts to be more independent in his life than he used to be. The way it used to be in WoK, losing Adolin would completely crush poor Renarin. Now, he will be affected by this but he will pull through, propably better than Adolin.

 

I am thinking he would see it as a fatality and move through it the same way he had been moving through hardships so far: with stoical unresponsiveness. I does not mean it won't affect him, but it won't destroy him.

 

Adolin is a different matter: he never really had any hardships in his life. True, he's faced foes and everything, but he never really encountered inner turmoil... My guess is he won't know how to cope. He knows how to slay fleshed out adversaries, but inner ones? How does one fight with yourself? You don't. Renarin learned that lesson a long time ago. Adolin didn't. Besides, even if he were a great warrior, I think Renarin would still be a loner, whereas Adolin is a very social person who needs contact.

[Kyats Rani she/her]

Yeah but the Kohlin family has been badly viewed upon for a while now... with Dalinar's visions and all... They were not the most popular folks around town... Dalinar did not care, Renarin did not seem to care either, in fact the only one who seemed affected by it was Adolin.

True, but I see now way it could help matter either (at least until Renarin's vision actually saves everyone's backsides)... It may be further hindrance in Dalinar's political attempts - it wasn't good but it can get worse.

 

 

I am thinking he would see it as a fatality and move through it the same way he had been moving through hardships so far: with stoical unresponsiveness. I does not mean it won't affect him, but it won't destroy him.

 

Adolin is a different matter: he never really had any hardships in his life. True, he's faced foes and everything, but he never really encountered inner turmoil... My guess is he won't know how to cope. He knows how to slay fleshed out adversaries, but inner ones? How does one fight with yourself? You don't. Renarin learned that lesson a long time ago. Adolin didn't. Besides, even if he were a great warrior, I think Renarin would still be a loner, whereas Adolin is a very social person who needs contact.

Yup, the public opinion won't have much power over Renarin. It will be worse for the image of their family than for him personally.

 

Which gets us back to the obvious fact - Adolin will be in a very, very bad situation in the next book.

 

[EDIT] Ok, something came to me teh very moment I clicked the button... Adolin will propably distance himself from his brother and for many reasons (one of them being feeling betrayed that Renarin kept such a secret from him, other Adolin considering himself inferior). I think one possible reason we may add to that is the fact that Adolin may be afraid of his brother. We know his opinion on foretelling the future - it's not positive. Finding out that Renarin actually sees the future may scare Adolin.

Edited November 17, 2014 by Kyats Rani

[Guest]

True, but I see now way it could help matter either (at least until Renarin's vision actually saves everyone's backsides)... It may be further hindrance in Dalinar's political attempts - it wasn't good but it can get worse.

 

It can get worst, for the family, I admit. However, we were discussing if it would get worst for Renarin, as an individual, which is what I am unsure of. Besides, I think Adolin murdering Sadeas will hinder Dalinar much worst then having a son that can see the future... Although both could jointly be used to discredit Dalinar all together. If Renarin's ability really end up posing a problem, I guess it could make him feel miserable he is hindering his father, but he already think so little of himself, can he really go any lower?

 

 

Yup, the public opinion won't have much power over Renarin. It will be worse for the image of their family than for him personally.

 

Again, Renarin never seemed to be bothered by this image of his family. The only reason he insisted they test the visions his father was having was to settle an argument between him and his brother. As I said, the only one who cared about the family's public opinion was Adolin.

 

 

Which gets us back to the obvious fact - Adolin will be in a very, very bad situation in the next book.

 

[EDIT] Ok, something came to me teh very moment I clicked the button... Adolin will propably distance himself from his brother and for many reasons (one of them being feeling betrayed that Renarin kept such a secret from him, other Adolin considering himself inferior). I think one possible reason we may add to that is the fact that Adolin may be afraid of his brother. We know his opinion on foretelling the future - it's not positive. Finding out that Renarin actually sees the future may scare Adolin.

 

I see no scenarios where Adolin ends up good. However, I do not think he'd be scared of Renarin, but he may be uncomfortable with the idea of visions of the futures. He already hinted he was not all to comfortable with the visions... It bothers him. I doubt he'll feel inferior to his brother, but he may feel inadequate and undeserving. He may also feel the strong need to overcompensate by working harder then ever. I also think he may feel excluded from the family, being the only non-Radiant. Family ties are very important to him, so thinking he has no place anymore amongst them would seriously hampered him.