Hidden Things in Map of Roshar?

[Blain]

What if Roshar was originally a water world (no Costner sadly) with a storm that would later become the storm we know and love once it was invested. Honor and Cultivation created an original landmass or habitat and once the storm was invested over time the cream acted as lava and basically added land area to this original artificial structure. That continent can look the way it does symmetry wise as it was originally a ship or other man made object.

 

I think this is getting somewhere, at least as far as the water-world is concerned. Sanderson said he got the idea for Roshar when looking at tide pools, and Shallan remarks on how similar the chasm fiends are to aquatic animals, doesn't she? And there was another post that said the Moon over Roshar was artificially placed. Maybe it's "holding back the tide," and exposed a lot of Roshar.

[Veil she/her]

Has anyone tried putting the map onto a more accurate projection? Assuming that the latitude numbers are correct and actual degrees, there's likely to be a fair amount of distortion towards the southern part of the map. This could affect its rotational symmetry.

 

We don't have a corrected projection, but I sketched out latitude/longitude on the map waaay back on page 9 on this thread (holy crap, didn't realize it was that far back...) Anyway, Peter confirmed that this is the right general shape (maybe not perfectly accurate, but it gives you the right idea.)

 

Here's that post. Anyone who wants to make a flat projection is welcome to, because I haven't got a clue how to do that.

 

Eyeballed latitude/longitude on the WoK map. Plotted as many points from the Frostlands map as I could, reflected to the other side of the map, then connected the curves and added the northern latitudes connecting equivalent markers on the left/right border. Longitudes are NOT to scale, I'm sure, but are as close as I could get to 10 degrees per line judging by the three we have on the Frostlands and assuming the map is centered on an even longitudinal line. So not mathematically accurate but should be a good enough approximation for most purposes until we get a better reference. (Any cartographers out there are more than welcome to correct my placement.)

 

Map 1 (With markers from the Frostlands map. You can see that these lines are close, but not exact.)

 

Map 2 (No markers, for clarity.)

 

One thing that I really like about this is that it shows that the central mountains are noticeably farther south than any other mountain range on Roshar (thus explaining how the scholars were able to determine the location of Urithiru from the position of the sun.)

 

Also, if I'm even close to accurate on my lines, Roshar is set mostly below the equator and roughly between longitudes 0 and ~140W, or roughly proportional to Asia in terms of portion of the planet's surface.

 

Edit: Well, my longitudes aren't far off from RShara's, so that's a good sign.

Edited March 21, 2014 by Veil

[RShara she/her]

Maresia did these a ways back, not sure if they tell us anything, but they look amazing.

 

Asuming that roshar is round, it should look like this right? 

 

 

(its not very well done)

 

Notice how the ciruclar compass its almost in the south pole 

 

 

[Jeksonofnone]

Hm, I've been thinking about this.

With Roshar clearly having the form of something rotating, my first thoghts went to images of galaxies, but I think thats a bit too far off.

 

Storms is more what this book is about, and when googling "Hurricane infrared" one can fine images that kinda have the same look and feel as Roshar, when only taking contoures into account.

With his wifes name being Emily, I would not be surprised if a hurricane Emily was the insporation for the map...

 

But don't waste too much time googling, I already did that (wasting time) : )

 

Regards

[PeterAhlstrom he/him]

This may help you with the projection. But not very much. This won't help you with the actual point of this thread.

[Ryshadium she/her]

I think the point of this thread has veered right off into crazy town. Happy to be a resident  

[TaliaRain]

Here's a somewhat crazy thought:

 

Do we know for certain how many moons Roshar has? Three are visible, but would it be possible for there to be a moon/planet in geosynchronous orbit such that it is never visible from continental Roshar? If so, would it be possible that it would be situated in such a way that continental Roshar is actually just the sea floor protruding from the bottom of a massive stationary tidal trough?

[RShara she/her]

President and still customer of (crazy town).  Yessirree!

[Gyth he/him]

I don't know anything about what Peter just posted but I have an idea to share.

 

I am keen on Roshar acting as a nexus for travel. 

 

I feel like the proximity of the Shards in this solar system, and the investiture they bring, could have weakened the "wall" between the physical realm, the cognitive realm, and even possibly the spiritual realm.

 

Maybe, for certain beings of investiture, freely traveling through the cognitive realm and passing through, into the physical realm on Roshar, is possible. Possibly at specific points, like the horneater peaks. 

 

Or maybe it functions as an Oathgate, just on a much different, and grander scale.

 

Is this the right thread to post something like this?

[Dah Pie]

So just as a random thought on the whole thing. I know this idea's been tossed around a little but what if all of Roshar was a great shell. And as all greatshell's have spren (I think there's a WoB that says something like this) what if Cultivation was Roshar's spren.

[shinintendo]

 

A new storm might come, blowing in from the west, not the east. Prepare.

New Natanan, on the very eastern coast of Roshar, would be struck today after the everstorm left the Shattered Plains. Then it would enter the eastern ocean and move toward the Origin.

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For such an enormous tower, the roof was actually relatively small, and not that encrusted with crem. This high, less rain likely dropped during highstorms—and everyone knew crem was thicker in the east than it was in the west.

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He did not know why the eastern face of the tower was straight and sheer, facing the Origin. No balconies along that side.

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Dalinar walked down off the top of Urithiru and entered the stairwell again. The flight of steps opened into a room that encompassed nearly the entire top floor of the tower city, and it shone with light through glass windows. Glass with no shutters or support, some of it facing east. How it survived highstorms Dalinar did not know, though lines of crem did streak it in places.

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This was the eastern face of the tower, the flat edge that looked directly toward the Origin.

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Shallan had walked to the windows. Dalinar stepped up beside her. This was the eastern face of the tower, the flat edge that looked directly toward the Origin.

I think you guys are into something with the east side of Urithiru, it's mentioned awfully a lot. maybe it's stayed in such a good shape since the normal storm going from east to west, It may have defensive problems on the western size. the everstorm going from west to east. it may hit them in time and they will have to evac Urithiru.

 

- The Everstorm is heading to New Natanan shouldn't it head to Aimia before hitting Shinovar? or is it the map tilted so it passes above it?

 

 

The Origin is mentioned a lot too, I wonder what will happen if the Everstorm reach it. Will this bring the solution in destroying the Everstorm I wonder. Maybe another expedition like "Derethil and the Wandersail" or it's related to Wit story about fleet (a collection of ships) heading east to the origin. and yes I know the obvious Fleet tale and Kaladin doings in this book, just finding another possible explanation.

 

To race the wind? It can’t be done. Undaunted, Fleet was set to run. So to the east, there went our Fleet. Upon the shore his mark was set.

Edited March 21, 2014 by shinintendo

[darkanimereal1]

Okay, I think this is off-topic as far as the map is concerned, but I just had an idea (and literally ran online so I could share it xD). Brandon said at the signing last night that he got the idea for the highstorms from Jupiter (yet again, another instance of "Oh! I was just thinking about that yesterday!" lol). So what if it's less of the highstorm circling around the globe, and instead the globe rotating with the storm staying pretty much in place above it?

 

... Now that I write that down, it doesn't seem like it's really all that big of a deal. Oh well, I already wrote it up.

[FlatLine]

I think this is getting somewhere, at least as far as the water-world is concerned. Sanderson said he got the idea for Roshar when looking at tide pools, and Shallan remarks on how similar the chasm fiends are to aquatic animals, doesn't she? And there was another post that said the Moon over Roshar was artificially placed. Maybe it's "holding back the tide," and exposed a lot of Roshar.

 

it seems like most of the creatures on Roshar are aquatic based. There's cremlings and axehounds from the top of my head. So there's something. 

[poolboy]

What if the entire continent of Roshar was created to be a map of the cosmere? A map within a map essentially.

[shinintendo]

Name of Peter file "gores"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_(segment)

remind you of something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Waldseem%C3%BCller-Globus.jpg

Edited March 21, 2014 by shinintendo

[Gyth he/him]

Wow nice shinintendo! Thanks Peter, no idea what you posted until Shin's post

[Douglas7886 he/him]

What if the entire continent of Roshar was created to be a map of the cosmere? A map within a map essentially.

Poolboy I had actually stated this idea a few pages back but don't think anyone commented on it.

[RShara she/her]

The easter egg is supposed to be just something cool, not Cosmere related.

Edited March 22, 2014 by RShara

[Douglas7886 he/him]

Oh ok when I read Peter's post what I understood from it was that the specific knowledge to figure out the Easter Egg wasn't cosmere related.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Douglas7886

[jefe91]

Great thread guys, I think if you look at the map the continent is essentially a giant storm cloud (system) and pure lake is at the eye of that storm, may account for the low water levels there and the fact that a giant monolith/fortress once stood there.

[RShara she/her]

Maybe the entire continent rotates regularly, with the pivot point being the Purelake, The Valley, or Urithiru.

 

Or better yet, the entire planet rotates like that and the highstorms/Everstorm are caused by pulses of energy coming from Braize.

[Trevalion]

Was reading the signing events forum and saw this line in an answer to a question about highstorms "but then he added that the highstorms are a natural occurring phenomenon that were on the planet before stuff started going down." I've also read that the Brandon got the idea for highstorms from Jupiter's great spot. So, could the secret simply be that the highstorm existed in a relatively stationary spot and the continent then formed from the crem layered down below, giving it it's symmetrical spiral shape. When Honor arrived he expended power to joint with the storm and move it off the land mass to make an environment humans could live in, and so have his body became tied to the storm?

[Trevalion]

Or that Cultivation gave her body to form the crem and Honor gave his to the storm as above and this raised up the continent in the same manner.

[Kurkistan he/him]

I don't think that quite works, given the fact that Roshar's ecology is clearly adapted to Highstorms: this strongly suggests their evolution over millions of years of highstorms roughly as we know them in the modern era.

[Yalb]

One thing I noticed is. ...aimia is spelled the same backwards. ..... ya I know huge break through.