The Longest Thread (Misadventures)

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

3 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

It chirped at her hungrily.

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She nodded, heart pounding in her chest nervously.

Yeah. That'd probably be better . . . thank you.

Hungry... what did turtles eat? She frowned, then Narrated a tiny, tiny plate of whatever turtles ate and trusted reality to fill in the gaps. 

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"No, I'm sorry. You don't have to. But..." He hesitated. "It's... probably a fear we should work on, since Nullite is really useful and because I'm... you know." 

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

3 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

It bit the hat playfully.

Rebus smiled at it, assembling some lettuce for it. 

3 minutes ago, Bird Furious said:

Symbol pulled the turtle back out so he could give it to the turtle, and also to do something so that hopefully her confused blush would be lost in the slop of words. 

Agreed. 

"Thank you." That felt like the right thing to say, at least. 

Rebus would have probably blushed himself, if not for his cybernetics. "You are welcome." 

3 minutes ago, Immortal Platypus said:

"Those are not rules. Any of those are options. They are guidelines, agreed to by the Authors. But they are not rules."

He could, very likely, end up with them once more. They can't do anything, though I can understand why you'd feel that way. There is a reason that he has created and can control them, and you're quite close to it. I'd be willing to explain it further if you'd like. 

Have at with the daggers. That wasn't what I was think of for them, but those fit fine.

"It would not have worked if you had known about it. The test could not have succeeded without you being unaware of it."

At the last sentence, Platypus looked shocked. "Fought against? I was the one who caused the death of Plot! That is why I wield his Blade!"

I was trying to signal you not to do it in the classic "DM way" with the "are you sure you want to do that?" 

I don't know what you mean by Thaid-style glimpses - from my recollection, we didn't get too many glimpses of what his villains planned (or any that I can think of). I have been very busy, and the mineral was a different thing from what he was testing with Rebus.

"What is a rule, if not an agreement by the people in charge?" 
I'm not sure what they you're referring to. An explanation would be helpful to reduce frustration, I suspect. Both for what the metal is, and for what Platypus expects to gain by acquiring another three swords to go with his dozens. 

I may or may not have stolen the TVTropes criteria for it... 

"What could you possible be messing around with that would require unexpectedly killing someone?" 

"Admittedly Nameless is probably a biased source, but I was told you gained Vengeance in order to get vengeance for Plot." 

And the Blades, shard, or even planet being destroyed were all options I and Rebus were fine with. But to then turn around and say Rebus can't use it to destroy other Plotblades is the frustrating part. 

Platypus shows up - fake severing the connection, let it be taken, get the blade back at a crucial moment. Blade is destroyed - put a hilt on the shard, then fight with impunity, since it can destroy Nullite (and presumably Ennullers), Mordite, and Endings and other Plotblades. 

From what I've read, Thaid's villains would be shown doing something, but not with enough information to know what they were planning. Similarly, if Platypus had been seen doing mysterious experiments on unspecified things, it would foreshadow his later discovery of whatever the shard is. If Platypus had tangentially controlled a shard - perhaps during the "what weapon would you have me use instead" exchange, it could have set it up a bit. 

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

20 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

"Would you like to hear another story?" Muin asks because he is bored.

Is the shard still next to Utility's feet?

@Through The Living Glass did you see this?

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

2 minutes ago, Bird Furious said:

Hungry... what did turtles eat? She frowned, then Narrated a tiny, tiny plate of whatever turtles ate and trusted reality to fill in the gaps. 

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"No, I'm sorry. You don't have to. But..." He hesitated. "It's... probably a fear we should work on, since Nullite is really useful and because I'm... you know." 

A tiny, wriggling bunch of deep-red worms appeared.

Mm, blood worms! Yum! thought the little turtle in turtle-speak.

It ate them greedily.

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She nodded slowly. 

It's fine. Let's just go find a belt.

2 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Rebus smiled at it, assembling some lettuce for it. 

It took a couple bites of these as well . . . but it didn't seem to like them very much. It was a sea turtle, after all, and not a tortoise.

Don't mind me

2 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

@Through The Living Glass did you see this?

oh yep yep

Ummmmmmmm idk

Let's say no, for now.

"Sure."

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

2 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Rebus smiled at it, assembling some lettuce for it. 

Rebus would have probably blushed himself, if not for his cybernetics. "You are welcome." 

"What is a rule, if not an agreement by the people in charge?" 
I'm not sure what they you're referring to. An explanation would be helpful to reduce frustration, I suspect. Both for what the metal is, and for what Platypus expects to gain by acquiring another three swords to go with his dozens. 

I may or may not have stolen the TVTropes criteria for it... 

"What could you possible be messing around with that would require unexpectedly killing someone?" 

"Admittedly Nameless is probably a biased source, but I was told you gained Vengeance in order to get vengeance for Plot." 

And the Blades, shard, or even planet being destroyed were all options I and Rebus were fine with. But to then turn around and say Rebus can't use it to destroy other Plotblades is the frustrating part. 

Platypus shows up - fake severing the connection, let it be taken, get the blade back at a crucial moment. Blade is destroyed - put a hilt on the shard, then fight with impunity, since it can destroy Nullite (and presumably Ennullers), Mordite, and Endings and other Plotblades. 

From what I've read, Thaid's villains would be shown doing something, but not with enough information to know what they were planning. Similarly, if Platypus had been seen doing mysterious experiments on unspecified things, it would foreshadow his later discovery of whatever the shard is. If Platypus had tangentially controlled a shard - perhaps during the "what weapon would you have me use instead" exchange, it could have set it up a bit. 

"He needs a name, probably," Symbol decided. 

That's a pretty good way to put it. 

1 minute ago, Through The Living Glass said:

A tiny, wriggling bunch of deep-red worms appeared.

Mm, blood worms! Yum! thought the little turtle in turtle-speak.

It ate them greedily.

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She nodded slowly. 

It's fine. Let's just go find a belt.

Symbol laughed. "Bloodthirsty, are we?" 

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He took her hand. "I can use it at first, if you prefer. I don't want you to... I just... yeah."

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

3 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

It took a couple bites of these as well . . . but it didn't seem to like them very much. It was a sea turtle, after all, and not a tortoise.

Don't mind me

Rebus had though that some normal turtles were omnivorous, though kelp probably would have been better. 

2 minutes ago, Bird Furious said:

"He needs a name, probably," Symbol decided. 

That's a pretty good way to put it. 

"I would agree. Sheldon is rather silly, but it might work." 

Why thank you. 

[Immortal Platypus]

Just now, Dragonheir said:

"What is a rule, if not an agreement by the people in charge?" 
I'm not sure what they you're referring to. An explanation would be helpful to reduce frustration, I suspect. Both for what the metal is, and for what Platypus expects to gain by acquiring another three swords to go with his dozens. 

"A rule would be an unbreakable agreement, as far as I see it."

see below. The reason he wants the swords is a major part of his plan, so I can't say too much, but he needs more.

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I may or may not have stolen the TVTropes criteria for it... 

 

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"What could you possible be messing around with that would require unexpectedly killing someone?" 

"Well, the killing wasn't the important part. It was the part before that."

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"Admittedly Nameless is probably a biased source, but I was told you gained Vengeance in order to get vengeance for Plot." 

"Not at all what happened. I caused his death and took his sword as my trophy."

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And the Blades, shard, or even planet being destroyed were all options I and Rebus were fine with. But to then turn around and say Rebus can't use it to destroy other Plotblades is the frustrating part. 

Platypus shows up - fake severing the connection, let it be taken, get the blade back at a crucial moment. Blade is destroyed - put a hilt on the shard, then fight with impunity, since it can destroy Nullite (and presumably Ennullers), Mordite, and Endings and other Plotblades. 

From what I've read, Thaid's villains would be shown doing something, but not with enough information to know what they were planning. Similarly, if Platypus had been seen doing mysterious experiments on unspecified things, it would foreshadow his later discovery of whatever the shard is. If Platypus had tangentially controlled a shard - perhaps during the "what weapon would you have me use instead" exchange, it could have set it up a bit. 

So part of the reason that didn't happen is because I was confused, honestly. I thought that Rebus had swapped with Bacon, and it also took a lot of energy to bring the Blade and shard into contact. 

It can't infinitely destroy/consume Nullite or Mordite, but that was unclear. I'm not sure what the rest of that paragraph is about, but I can elaborate further if you could explain it to me.

Some of the villains did that, and you're right, it would've been better if I'd done that. I just haven't been here recently, and am rusty. Plus, the shards were not intended to play a major role.

1 minute ago, Bird Furious said:

Frustrating other Authors can be okay if it doesn't... well, end like this. And yes, sometimes it can be fun, but in this case it's only fun for you, and the reason is we have no idea what the heck you're doing, and none of us are in on it. Trying to signal that he shouldn't do it is... frankly, not enough. You wanted someone to break their Plotblade on that stuff. That much is clear. That's why it feels like a hustle. Roleplaying should not feel like a hustle. Half of the point is interacting with things to open new and interesting scenarios, not interacting and getting robbed while Platypus returns to whatever place he came from with no indication of what he's gonna do next. That's only fun for you. It's not fun for any of us. It's actually highly frustrating. 

first off, it's not fun for me. second, I did not originally want someone to break their plotblade on it, in fact, the shards weren't originally meant to play much of a major role at all. maybe some minor foreshadowing, but the real goal behind them was the note left behind after they were moved. I don't know what more you want me to do, other than signal something shouldn't be done. What more can I do, say "don't do this"? I'm trying to avoid it feeling like a hustle, but there's not much I can do that I haven't already done.

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Also, as for the mineral, I try not to dip too much into the lore. But if it's another Prismatine or another Nullite, fits properly with the axes, and the properties make sense, I guess I have no complaints there. Except how Platypus can control it willy-nilly. I would like more explanation on that, and on the three Plotshards, and basically everything you're trying to do here. Just since it's based on unsolidified Thread science that hasn't been tested or explained yet. 

Alright. To make a long story short, Platypus has been experimenting with combining the primal substances. The shard is an alloy of Nullite and Mordite. This was the first stable alloy he found. Very stable, practically indestructible. That should help explain some of the properties. Do you remember how he was basically shifting all across the axes? He had been thinking a lot about what Feanor said, and really dwelling on resentment from a few things (that aren't important), and in general, he'd been pretty solidly in the Dark section of the Axis. Finding and making this alloy basically cemented him in the Dark part of the Axis, and it isolated him in that section, keeping him away from anything else, including Order and Chaos. He'd been fighting it, feeling it was wrong, (that's why he spoke in Silence to Rebus, he'd managed to make it back to Order for a little), but he is stuck there. I'd like to avoid going into too many more specifics, but can if that's still unclear.

as for the Blades, they're just the parts that make up that specific Plotblade. Most could be split that way. Love triangles would likely become something like Reject, Chooser, Chosen (or something like that). Just like Plot's blade was split into its aspects, they can be further split. The Nullite part of the shard Silenced the Connection to Rebus, and the Mordite basically killed the connection between the three parts that was holding them together. There's a little more to it than that, but that's the simple version. Either individually wouldn't have worked, but together they could.

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

12 minutes ago, Bird Furious said:

Symbol laughed. "Bloodthirsty, are we?" 

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He took her hand. "I can use it at first, if you prefer. I don't want you to... I just... yeah."

The turtle snapped its beak happily.

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She shook her head. No, it's fine. You're probably right . . . I should get used to it more, she said slowly.

9 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Rebus had though that some normal turtles were omnivorous, though kelp probably would have been better. 

Depends on the sea turtle, but true.

This little turtle really liked meat.

11 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

"I would agree. Sheldon is rather silly, but it might work." 

The turtle stared up at him with big eyes.

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

9 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Rebus had though that some normal turtles were omnivorous, though kelp probably would have been better. 

"I would agree. Sheldon is rather silly, but it might work." 

Why thank you. 

She snorted. "Sheldon. All right. Sheldon it is." 

6 minutes ago, Immortal Platypus said:

"A rule would be an unbreakable agreement, as far as I see it."

see below. The reason he wants the swords is a major part of his plan, so I can't say too much, but he needs more.

 

"Well, the killing wasn't the important part. It was the part before that."

"Not at all what happened. I caused his death and took his sword as my trophy."

So part of the reason that didn't happen is because I was confused, honestly. I thought that Rebus had swapped with Bacon, and it also took a lot of energy to bring the Blade and shard into contact. 

It can't infinitely destroy/consume Nullite or Mordite, but that was unclear. I'm not sure what the rest of that paragraph is about, but I can elaborate further if you could explain it to me.

Some of the villains did that, and you're right, it would've been better if I'd done that. I just haven't been here recently, and am rusty. Plus, the shards were not intended to play a major role.

first off, it's not fun for me. second, I did not originally want someone to break their plotblade on it, in fact, the shards weren't originally meant to play much of a major role at all. maybe some minor foreshadowing, but the real goal behind them was the note left behind after they were moved. I don't know what more you want me to do, other than signal something shouldn't be done. What more can I do, say "don't do this"? I'm trying to avoid it feeling like a hustle, but there's not much I can do that I haven't already done.

Alright. To make a long story short, Platypus has been experimenting with combining the primal substances. The shard is an alloy of Nullite and Mordite. This was the first stable alloy he found. Very stable, practically indestructible. That should help explain some of the properties. Do you remember how he was basically shifting all across the axes? He had been thinking a lot about what Feanor said, and really dwelling on resentment from a few things (that aren't important), and in general, he'd been pretty solidly in the Dark section of the Axis. Finding and making this alloy basically cemented him in the Dark part of the Axis, and it isolated him in that section, keeping him away from anything else, including Order and Chaos. He'd been fighting it, feeling it was wrong, (that's why he spoke in Silence to Rebus, he'd managed to make it back to Order for a little), but he is stuck there. I'd like to avoid going into too many more specifics, but can if that's still unclear.

as for the Blades, they're just the parts that make up that specific Plotblade. Most could be split that way. Love triangles would likely become something like Reject, Chooser, Chosen (or something like that). Just like Plot's blade was split into its aspects, they can be further split. The Nullite part of the shard Silenced the Connection to Rebus, and the Mordite basically killed the connection between the three parts that was holding them together. There's a little more to it than that, but that's the simple version. Either individually wouldn't have worked, but together they could.

I'm gonna be honest, this is deeply frustrating to me. I'm hearing a lot of reasons why you're technically correct in what your'e doing and maybe we should just leave you alone about it. But if three of us are all upset about it, clearly it's not the emotionally correct thing to do. I do'nt know what it is, but something isn't clicking here. You're not giving us enough. 

As for avoiding going into specifics, trust me as a long time roleplayer who's experimented a lot with this exact thing--- it's always better to go into specifics. Always. If it fundamentally doesn't work with the world, you don't have to defend it after the fact because you can find a new way to do it. If it's going to devastate the other roleplayers' plans, you can either find a way around that or let them develop a way to react that furthers their own enjoyment in the roleplay. So yes, I would like more specifics. Also, I would like to note that you haven't said at all what this mineral actually is, which, based on the topic of debate, seems deeply unfair. What is it, and why does Platypus seem to have complete, tyrannical control over this specific portion? How does it fit with the other elements of the Thread? Does it, or might it need some revision? The properties shown are already quite questionable. 

4 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

The turtle snapped its beak happily.

-

She shook her head. No, it's fine. You're probably right . . . I should get used to it more, she said slowly.

Depends on the sea turtle, but true.

This little turtle really liked meat.

The turtle stared up at him with big eyes.

Bat squeezed her hand (and took it if he didn't have it already) and led her toward one of the apartments. It was unlocked, as if it had been anticipating him. 

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Symbol would have been disturbed if she didn't think it was downright adorable. And if she were one to be disturbed. She wasn't. She was just amused. 

And painfully aware of a certain arrangement of words and ideas that was accompanying her. 

But we're going to ignore that. 

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

1 minute ago, Bird Furious said:

I'm gonna be honest, this is deeply frustrating to me. I'm hearing a lot of reasons why you're technically correct in what your'e doing and maybe we should just leave you alone about it. But if three of us are all upset about it, clearly it's not the emotionally correct thing to do. I do'nt know what it is, but something isn't clicking here. You're not giving us enough. 

I agree with Haly, Platypus. It's just frustrating and upsetting, but it's also not interesting or detailed. It's too vague, and upsets other, longer-term plots (at least to us) too much.

2 minutes ago, Bird Furious said:

As for avoiding going into specifics, trust me as a long time roleplayer who's experimented a lot with this exact thing--- it's always better to go into specifics. Always. If it fundamentally doesn't work with the world, you don't have to defend it after the fact because you can find a new way to do it. If it's going to devastate the other roleplayers' plans, you can either find a way around that or let them develop a way to react that furthers their own enjoyment in the roleplay. So yes, I would like more specifics. Also, I would like to note that you haven't said at all what this mineral actually is, which, based on the topic of debate, seems deeply unfair. What is it, and why does Platypus seem to have complete, tyrannical control over this specific portion? How does it fit with the other elements of the Thread? Does it, or might it need some revision? The properties shown are already quite questionable. 

He said it was a Nullite-Mordite alloy, in case you missed that, though you could totally be talking about something else and I get that.

However, combining the fundamental substances is something that I believe Nameless and Heir tried to do, at least to some extent. @Dragonheir what did you and Nameless end up doing about the Balancium attempts?

5 minutes ago, Bird Furious said:

Bat squeezed her hand (and took it if he didn't have it already) and led her toward one of the apartments. It was unlocked, as if it had been anticipating him. 

-

Symbol would have been disturbed if she didn't think it was downright adorable. And if she were one to be disturbed. She wasn't. She was just amused. 

And painfully aware of a certain arrangement of words and ideas that was accompanying her. 

But we're going to ignore that. 

She followed, careful to step around the prices of the shattered trolley.

He'd shattered it so easily . . .

Have you been practicing? she asked him, staring at the pieces.

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Hehe.

The turtle yawned, making a very tiny yawning noise.

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

1 minute ago, Through The Living Glass said:

I agree with Haly, Platypus. It's just frustrating and upsetting, but it's also not interesting or detailed. It's too vague, and upsets other, longer-term plots (at least to us) too much.

He said it was a Nullite-Mordite alloy, in case you missed that, though you could totally be talking about something else and I get that.

However, combining the fundamental substances is something that I believe Nameless and Heir tried to do, at least to some extent. @Dragonheir what did you and Nameless end up doing about the Balancium attempts?

Ahh, I did miss that. Sorry, @Immortal Platypus. Though the point about the experiments is pretty legit. 

[Immortal Platypus]

1 minute ago, Bird Furious said:

She snorted. "Sheldon. All right. Sheldon it is." 

I'm gonna be honest, this is deeply frustrating to me. I'm hearing a lot of reasons why you're technically correct in what your'e doing and maybe we should just leave you alone about it. But if three of us are all upset about it, clearly it's not the emotionally correct thing to do. I do'nt know what it is, but something isn't clicking here. You're not giving us enough. 

I genuinely don't know how much more I can give you. 

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As for avoiding going into specifics, trust me as a long time roleplayer who's experimented a lot with this exact thing--- it's always better to go into specifics. Always. If it fundamentally doesn't work with the world, you don't have to defend it after the fact because you can find a new way to do it. If it's going to devastate the other roleplayers' plans, you can either find a way around that or let them develop a way to react that furthers their own enjoyment in the roleplay. So yes, I would like more specifics.

that's not what I'm worried about. If I come up with a plan that I intend to be a surprise, I want it to be a surprise. It would've defeated the whole point of Thaid's Feanor arc if we'd known Darkness was a result of killing Thaid.

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Also, I would like to note that you haven't said at all what this mineral actually is, which, based on the topic of debate, seems deeply unfair. What is it, and why does Platypus seem to have complete, tyrannical control over this specific portion? How does it fit with the other elements of the Thread? Does it, or might it need some revision? The properties shown are already quite questionable. 

a) it's not a mineral and b) I have said what it is. It is an alloy of Mordite and Nullite. I also said why he has some control over it, though he doesn't have complete control over it. The only things he's done with it is make it appear wherever Tam goes which wouldn't be hard, make it appear next to Narrators' feet, and move the ones by Tam and Bacon go to his feet. What other elements would you like me to explain how it fits with? What about the properties are questionable? I need you to be specific if you want answers to this.

3 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

I agree with Haly, Platypus. It's just frustrating and upsetting, but it's also not interesting or detailed. It's too vague, and upsets other, longer-term plots (at least to us) too much.

He said it was a Nullite-Mordite alloy, in case you missed that, though you could totally be talking about something else and I get that.

However, combining the fundamental substances is something that I believe Nameless and Heir tried to do, at least to some extent. @Dragonheir what did you and Nameless end up doing about the Balancium attempts?

I'm trying to get to that, I'm just also trying to talk about all of this before I proceed. I wanted to get any anger and other emotions settled before I moved on. 

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

3 minutes ago, Immortal Platypus said:

"A rule would be an unbreakable agreement, as far as I see it."

see below. The reason he wants the swords is a major part of his plan, so I can't say too much, but he needs more.

 

"Well, the killing wasn't the important part. It was the part before that."

"Not at all what happened. I caused his death and took his sword as my trophy."

So part of the reason that didn't happen is because I was confused, honestly. I thought that Rebus had swapped with Bacon, and it also took a lot of energy to bring the Blade and shard into contact. 

It can't infinitely destroy/consume Nullite or Mordite, but that was unclear. I'm not sure what the rest of that paragraph is about, but I can elaborate further if you could explain it to me.

Some of the villains did that, and you're right, it would've been better if I'd done that. I just haven't been here recently, and am rusty. Plus, the shards were not intended to play a major role.

first off, it's not fun for me. second, I did not originally want someone to break their plotblade on it, in fact, the shards weren't originally meant to play much of a major role at all. maybe some minor foreshadowing, but the real goal behind them was the note left behind after they were moved. I don't know what more you want me to do, other than signal something shouldn't be done. What more can I do, say "don't do this"? I'm trying to avoid it feeling like a hustle, but there's not much I can do that I haven't already done.

Alright. To make a long story short, Platypus has been experimenting with combining the primal substances. The shard is an alloy of Nullite and Mordite. This was the first stable alloy he found. Very stable, practically indestructible. That should help explain some of the properties. Do you remember how he was basically shifting all across the axes? He had been thinking a lot about what Feanor said, and really dwelling on resentment from a few things (that aren't important), and in general, he'd been pretty solidly in the Dark section of the Axis. Finding and making this alloy basically cemented him in the Dark part of the Axis, and it isolated him in that section, keeping him away from anything else, including Order and Chaos. He'd been fighting it, feeling it was wrong, (that's why he spoke in Silence to Rebus, he'd managed to make it back to Order for a little), but he is stuck there. I'd like to avoid going into too many more specifics, but can if that's still unclear.

as for the Blades, they're just the parts that make up that specific Plotblade. Most could be split that way. Love triangles would likely become something like Reject, Chooser, Chosen (or something like that). Just like Plot's blade was split into its aspects, they can be further split. The Nullite part of the shard Silenced the Connection to Rebus, and the Mordite basically killed the connection between the three parts that was holding them together. There's a little more to it than that, but that's the simple version. Either individually wouldn't have worked, but together they could.

"How could one possibly enforce such a thing? Magic is not real to the Authors." 

Hmm. 

"The communication severing? Why would that possibly require ignorance of its effect?" 

"Hmmm. I'm surprised your blade still functions, and hasn't take its Vengeance on you." 

Alright... I guess Rebus can show he doesn't need a magic sword in order to think on his feet. 

What would make it stop? Rebus's plan for Platypus taking his sword would be to fake severing his connection to it (which he has done in the past), then summon it back to him or exploit Platypus's connection to it with what would be best described as soul malware. If the shard had only destroyed his Plotblade, since it also absorbs Mordite and Nullite he could use it to counter anything that could kill a Narrator. 

Understood. 

If I were in your place, I would have made them weaker and removed the teleportation. A metal that corroded anything it touched, stopped everything that touched it from moving, and absorbed light fits Darkness better than one that can teleport around to follow Narrators. (Also, I don't think your cipher was written correctly, at least not in any way I know of. I can't crack it, and neither can the first couple online programs I tried) 

That does kinda make sense, but wouldn't Darkness be prone to self-destructing? 

That makes sense, but the way this would interact feels kind of odd. An alloy doesn't allow this kind of "this part does this thing, then this part does this thing" behavior - the components are regularly distributed, and this makes new properties that aren't the sum of the composing metals. 

9 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

He said it was a Nullite-Mordite alloy, in case you missed that, though you could totally be talking about something else and I get that.

However, combining the fundamental substances is something that I believe Nameless and Heir tried to do, at least to some extent. @Dragonheir what did you and Nameless end up doing about the Balancium attempts?

Rebus basically managed to cause a few explosions - he was planning to try some emulsifiers, but then NameIess went inactive. 

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

Just now, Immortal Platypus said:

I genuinely don't know how much more I can give you. 

that's not what I'm worried about. If I come up with a plan that I intend to be a surprise, I want it to be a surprise. It would've defeated the whole point of Thaid's Feanor arc if we'd known Darkness was a result of killing Thaid.

a) it's not a mineral and b) I have said what it is. It is an alloy of Mordite and Nullite. I also said why he has some control over it, though he doesn't have complete control over it. The only things he's done with it is make it appear wherever Tam goes which wouldn't be hard, make it appear next to Narrators' feet, and move the ones by Tam and Bacon go to his feet. What other elements would you like me to explain how it fits with? What about the properties are questionable? I need you to be specific if you want answers to this.

I'm trying to get to that, I'm just also trying to talk about all of this before I proceed. I wanted to get any anger and other emotions settled before I moved on. 

Alright.

@Dragonheir @Bird Furious @Immortal Platypus

To be fair, Haly and Heir, I completely understand where you're/we're coming from, because I feel the same. However, at the same time, Platypus was here long before us, and so the way he's used to doing things is not the way we're used to doing things- basically we should all respect each others' ideas of what is correct and keep that in mind as we continue to work something out that will hopefully work for everyone in the future.

I also feel like things are getting pretty heated now, so let's just try to tone it down a little and be more calm and respectful, alright? Not that anyone wasn't, but emotions are definitely coming through right now in ways that are becoming less than polite.

*pulls everyone into group hug*

Love you guys

2 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Rebus basically managed to cause a few explosions - he was planning to try some emulsifiers, but then NameIess went inactive. 

*sigh*

Dang.

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

5 minutes ago, Immortal Platypus said:

I genuinely don't know how much more I can give you. 

that's not what I'm worried about. If I come up with a plan that I intend to be a surprise, I want it to be a surprise. It would've defeated the whole point of Thaid's Feanor arc if we'd known Darkness was a result of killing Thaid.

a) it's not a mineral and b) I have said what it is. It is an alloy of Mordite and Nullite. I also said why he has some control over it, though he doesn't have complete control over it. The only things he's done with it is make it appear wherever Tam goes which wouldn't be hard, make it appear next to Narrators' feet, and move the ones by Tam and Bacon go to his feet. What other elements would you like me to explain how it fits with? What about the properties are questionable? I need you to be specific if you want answers to this.

I'm trying to get to that, I'm just also trying to talk about all of this before I proceed. I wanted to get any anger and other emotions settled before I moved on. 

The problem is nobody really likes surprise plans. It's pretty inconsiderate to just expect everyone to accept something like this and move on like it's nothing. If you were a gamemaster or something for a specific plot, it might be different. But there wasn't really an opt-in, and I'd argue that hitting the alloy doesn't count. We need to know something. We need to have a choice, or at least the illusion of a choice, because... it just feels cheap, honestly. And that's not our problem as fellow roleplayers to swallow the annoyance and move on. We have a right to be annoyed, I'd argue. 

I need to know why the material has the ability to absorb Nullite and shatter Prismite. Nullite is known to be a very nonreactive alloy--- the least reactive, according to Xino. Mixing it with Mordite probably wouldn't do anything. I don't understand where the excuses for these properties comes from. 

3 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

Alright.

@Dragonheir @Bird Furious @Immortal Platypus

To be fair, Haly and Heir, I completely understand where you're/we're coming from, because I feel the same. However, at the same time, Platypus was here long before us, and so the way he's used to doing things is not the way we're used to doing things- basically we should all respect each others' ideas of what is correct and keep that in mind as we continue to work something out that will hopefully work for everyone in the future.

I also feel like things are getting pretty heated now, so let's just try to tone it down a little and be more calm and respectful, alright? Not that anyone wasn't, but emotions are definitely coming through right now in ways that are becoming less than polite.

*pulls everyone into group hug*

Love you guys

*sigh*

Dang.

That makes sense. Okay. 

Sorry, @Immortal Platypus. I got a little heated. 

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

1 minute ago, Bird Furious said:

The problem is nobody really likes surprise plans. It's pretty inconsiderate to just expect everyone to accept something like this and move on like it's nothing. If you were a gamemaster or something for a specific plot, it might be different. But there wasn't really an opt-in, and I'd argue that hitting the alloy doesn't count. We need to know something. We need to have a choice, or at least the illusion of a choice, because... it just feels cheap, honestly. And that's not our problem as fellow roleplayers to swallow the annoyance and move on. We have a right to be annoyed, I'd argue. 

I need to know why the material has the ability to absorb Nullite and shatter Prismite. Nullite is known to be a very nonreactive alloy--- the least reactive, according to Xino. Mixing it with Mordite probably wouldn't do anything. I don't understand where the excuses for these properties comes from. 

That makes sense. Okay. 

Sorry, @Immortal Platypus. I got a little heated. 

(also:)

18 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

She followed, careful to step around the prices of the shattered trolley.

He'd shattered it so easily . . .

Have you been practicing? she asked him, staring at the pieces.

-

Hehe.

The turtle yawned, making a very tiny yawning noise.

 

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

22 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

She followed, careful to step around the prices of the shattered trolley.

He'd shattered it so easily . . .

Have you been practicing? she asked him, staring at the pieces.

-

Hehe.

The turtle yawned, making a very tiny yawning noise.

No. I just pushed really hard. Most of the Nullite chunks in it are small. 

-

Symbol felt a squeak in the back of her throat. 

You tired? She asked in turtle. 

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

Just now, Bird Furious said:

No. I just pushed really hard. Most of the Nullite chunks in it are small. 

-

Symbol felt a squeak in the back of her throat. 

You tired? She asked in turtle. 

. . . Oh. Right.

She looked at his bag.

But you can direct it, right? The Nullite in your bag didn't react at all.

-

It blinked at her slowly, then tried to clamber out of her pocket.

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

1 minute ago, Through The Living Glass said:

. . . Oh. Right.

She looked at his bag.

But you can direct it, right? The Nullite in your bag didn't react at all.

-

It blinked at her slowly, then tried to clamber out of her pocket.

I hadn't thought of that. But... yeah, I was just focusing on the trolley. Yeah, I guess. I can direct it. 

-

She placed it carefully on her palm. 

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

1 minute ago, Bird Furious said:

I hadn't thought of that. But... yeah, I was just focusing on the trolley. Yeah, I guess. I can direct it. 

-

She placed it carefully on her palm. 

That's really cool, she told him with a smile.

-

It was cold and wet in the open air, so it curled into her warm palm while sunlight began to heat its shell up a little.

It yawned again and closed its eyes.

[Through the Living Heir he/him]

4 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

To be fair, Haly and Heir, I completely understand where you're/we're coming from, because I feel the same. However, at the same time, Platypus was here long before us, and so the way he's used to doing things is not the way we're used to doing things- basically we should all respect each others' ideas of what is correct and keep that in mind as we continue to work something out that will hopefully work for everyone in the future.

I also feel like things are getting pretty heated now, so let's just try to tone it down a little and be more calm and respectful, alright? Not that anyone wasn't, but emotions are definitely coming through right now in ways that are becoming less than polite.

*pulls everyone into group hug*

Love you guys

Yeah, I agree that both sides have valid places to come from. I shall endeavor to stay reasonable, and do hope we can come to a conclusion because under the frustration is genuine interest in Platypus's motivations and goals (keeping those hidden is understandable, because we know they're there). 

4 minutes ago, Bird Furious said:

The problem is nobody really likes surprise plans. It's pretty inconsiderate to just expect everyone to accept something like this and move on like it's nothing. If you were a gamemaster or something for a specific plot, it might be different. But there wasn't really an opt-in, and I'd argue that hitting the alloy doesn't count. We need to know something. We need to have a choice, or at least the illusion of a choice, because... it just feels cheap, honestly. And that's not our problem as fellow roleplayers to swallow the annoyance and move on. We have a right to be annoyed, I'd argue. 

I need to know why the material has the ability to absorb Nullite and shatter Prismite. Nullite is known to be a very nonreactive alloy--- the least reactive, according to Xino. Mixing it with Mordite probably wouldn't do anything. I don't understand where the excuses for these properties comes from. 

Agreed - there's a difference between "there's something going on, but you don't get to find out what until later" and "oh yeah, this has been happening the whole time there was just no sign of it". I'd like to sorta disagree with hitting the alloy as opting it - I was perfectly willing to have Rebus's Plotblade destroyed, but the objective was to learn its properties to exploit them. I feel it was untelegraphed that the crystal was able to have its properties altered (but only by Platypus, for some reason). 

The absorbance makes sense, in a way. Darkness is very corrupt-y, so I can see converting more materials into itself. The repulsion feels weirder, though - it feels like Pure Darkness should be a black hole, crunching everything it touches. But yes, the properties feel inconsistent from a metaphysics perspective. 

[Immortal Platypus]

30 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

"How could one possibly enforce such a thing? Magic is not real to the Authors." 

"Couldn't tell you."

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"The communication severing? Why would that possibly require ignorance of its effect?" 

"Not that. A different thing. I already knew that would work."

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"Hmmm. I'm surprised your blade still functions, and hasn't take its Vengeance on you." 

"I am its master now, not Plot."

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If I were in your place, I would have made them weaker and removed the teleportation. A metal that corroded anything it touched, stopped everything that touched it from moving, and absorbed light fits Darkness better than one that can teleport around to follow Narrators. (Also, I don't think your cipher was written correctly, at least not in any way I know of. I can't crack it, and neither can the first couple online programs I tried) 

You're probably right, I'm just not used to Nullite mechanics. I was assuming it would be easy to move to follow Tam, but because it's (part) Nullite, it likely wouldn't be. I also hadn't quite hammered out all of the properties I wanted it to have. I don't think corrosion is Dark, per se, I think it's closer to Chaos. Stopping everything from moving feels kind of like Order (like Preservation from Mistborn), and absorbing light would make sense. I was thinking of it as a black metal, kind of like onxy and obsidian combined, so was picturing it glittering, but absorbing light makes more sense.

it is a two-stage cipher if that helps. there are probably some typos in it though

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That does kinda make sense, but wouldn't Darkness be prone to self-destructing? 

That makes sense, but the way this would interact feels kind of odd. An alloy doesn't allow this kind of "this part does this thing, then this part does this thing" behavior - the components are regularly distributed, and this makes new properties that aren't the sum of the composing metals. 

Rebus basically managed to cause a few explosions - he was planning to try some emulsifiers, but then NameIess went inactive. 

I don't think Darkness would be prone to that. That seems like a Chaos thing to me. Darkness feels like it would be relatively stable. We can see the two Beings with Chaos (Narrators and Withergeists) are very destructive, while Ennullers and Luxsprites were/are not.

I was trying to explain it simply, so my explanation isn't quite what happened, but is close enough for it to make sense-ish.

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What would make it stop? Rebus's plan for Platypus taking his sword would be to fake severing his connection to it (which he has done in the past), then summon it back to him or exploit Platypus's connection to it with what would be best described as soul malware. If the shard had only destroyed his Plotblade, since it also absorbs Mordite and Nullite he could use it to counter anything that could kill a Narrator. 

it was about at a stopping point. From what I was imagining, you hadn't "fed" it very much Nullite - a small shard, then a core (which I pictured as another small shard). If the balance of the alloy was to be disrupted, it couldn't keep growing. There's a small range in which the alloy is stable, and because of the naturally non-reactive nature of Nullite, it doesn't want to become unstable.

Ah. I see what you were saying. What would you like me to comment on?

24 minutes ago, Bird Furious said:

The problem is nobody really likes surprise plans. It's pretty inconsiderate to just expect everyone to accept something like this and move on like it's nothing. If you were a gamemaster or something for a specific plot, it might be different. But there wasn't really an opt-in, and I'd argue that hitting the alloy doesn't count. We need to know something. We need to have a choice, or at least the illusion of a choice, because... it just feels cheap, honestly. And that's not our problem as fellow roleplayers to swallow the annoyance and move on. We have a right to be annoyed, I'd argue. 

personally I am a big fan of surprise plans (but that doesn't mean I'm good at them), but I accept I'm an outlier. I'm not expecting people to move along, hence the conversation we've been having. I'm not saying you don't have a right to be annoyed.

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I need to know why the material has the ability to absorb Nullite and shatter Prismite. Nullite is known to be a very nonreactive alloy--- the least reactive, according to Xino. Mixing it with Mordite probably wouldn't do anything. I don't understand where the excuses for these properties comes from. 

That makes sense. Okay. 

Sorry, @Immortal Platypus. I got a little heated. 

It can absorb Nullite (and potentially Mordite) because it is that alloy, and those substances like to be gathered. The way Heir explained it is probably better than I can verbalize it. it shattered Prismite because it basically pushed the box away from it, and the box pushed back, but since it pushed in all directions on the shard it couldn't move so the box had to. When it was just a piece of Prismite, it just pushed it away (kind of like an amped up magnet). Nullite is nonreactive, but when combined with Mordite (which is most certainly not), they really don't like the substances with Light in them. This particular alloy leans more towards Nullite (not by much), so its reaction with Prismite is more extreme that its reaction to Luxite. 

you're good, I understand where you're coming from.

28 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

Alright.

@Dragonheir @Bird Furious @Immortal Platypus

To be fair, Haly and Heir, I completely understand where you're/we're coming from, because I feel the same. However, at the same time, Platypus was here long before us, and so the way he's used to doing things is not the way we're used to doing things- basically we should all respect each others' ideas of what is correct and keep that in mind as we continue to work something out that will hopefully work for everyone in the future.

I also feel like things are getting pretty heated now, so let's just try to tone it down a little and be more calm and respectful, alright? Not that anyone wasn't, but emotions are definitely coming through right now in ways that are becoming less than polite.

*pulls everyone into group hug*

Love you guys

*sigh*

Dang.

being here before you is no excuse to tread over you, but I appreciate it Glass. 

7 minutes ago, Dragonheir said:

Agreed - there's a difference between "there's something going on, but you don't get to find out what until later" and "oh yeah, this has been happening the whole time there was just no sign of it". I'd like to sorta disagree with hitting the alloy as opting it - I was perfectly willing to have Rebus's Plotblade destroyed, but the objective was to learn its properties to exploit them. I feel it was untelegraphed that the crystal was able to have its properties altered (but only by Platypus, for some reason). 

The absorbance makes sense, in a way. Darkness is very corrupt-y, so I can see converting more materials into itself. The repulsion feels weirder, though - it feels like Pure Darkness should be a black hole, crunching everything it touches. But yes, the properties feel inconsistent from a metaphysics perspective. 

I don't think I changed the properties, did I? I should've telegraphed it a little more, you'll get some flashbacks later. 

Dark and Light naturally don't mix, hence the repulsion. In addition, this is not pure Dark, just close. It does skew slightly towards Nullite (more now that it's absorbed some). 

 

Also, holy crap you guys post fast, by the time I've addressed one post, three more have been posted

Edited April 20, 2025 by Immortal Platypus

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

7 minutes ago, Through The Living Glass said:

That's really cool, she told him with a smile.

-

It was cold and wet in the open air, so it curled into her warm palm while sunlight began to heat its shell up a little.

It yawned again and closed its eyes.

He blushed. Thanks. Let's go find that compass. 

-

She created a tiny sunlike orb above the turtle to help it stay warm. 

Then she remembered there was something she was supposed to do. 

4 minutes ago, Immortal Platypus said:

You're probably right, I'm just not used to Nullite mechanics. I was assuming it would be easy to move to follow Tam, but because it's (part) Nullite, it likely wouldn't be. I also hadn't quite hammered out all of the properties I wanted it to have. I don't think corrosion is Dark, per se, I think it's closer to Chaos. Stopping everything from moving feels kind of like Order (like Preservation from Mistborn), and absorbing light would make sense. I was thinking of it as a black metal, kind of like onxy and obsidian combined, so was picturing it glittering, but absorbing light makes more sense.

it is a two-stage cipher if that helps. there are probably some typos in it though

I don't think Darkness would be prone to that. That seems like a Chaos thing to me. Darkness feels like it would be relatively stable. We can see the two Beings with Chaos (Narrators and Withergeists) are very destructive, while Ennullers and Luxsprites were/are not.

it was about at a stopping point. From what I was imagining, you hadn't "fed" it very much Nullite - a small shard, then a core (which I pictured as another small shard). If the balance of the alloy was to be disrupted, it couldn't keep growing. There's a small range in which the alloy is stable, and because of the naturally non-reactive nature of Nullite, it doesn't want to become unstable.

It can absorb Nullite (and potentially Mordite) because it is that alloy, and those substances like to be gathered. The way Heir explained it is probably better than I can verbalize it. it shattered Prismite because it basically pushed the box away from it, and the box pushed back, but since it pushed in all directions on the shard it couldn't move so the box had to. When it was just a piece of Prismite, it just pushed it away (kind of like an amped up magnet). Nullite is nonreactive, but when combined with Mordite (which is most certainly not), they really don't like the substances with Light in them. This particular alloy leans more towards Nullite (not by much), so its reaction with Prismite is more extreme that its reaction to Luxite. 

rap you guys post fast, by the time I've addressed one post, three more have been posted

Okay, that makes a lot more sense. I agree that exploding and such feels more like chaos. Just out of curiosity, how was the alloy formed? 

And for that last bit-- yeah. Things go very fast sometimes 

[Through The Living Glass She/They]

8 minutes ago, Immortal Platypus said:

Also, holy crap you guys post fast, by the time I've addressed one post, three more have been posted

Yeahhhhhhhhhh sorry  hehe

1 minute ago, Bird Furious said:

He blushed. Thanks. Let's go find that compass. 

-

She created a tiny sunlike orb above the turtle to help it stay warm. 

Then she remembered there was something she was supposed to do.

And belt? she added, squeezing his hand.

-

It yawned one last time and fell asleep, breathing softly.

She could feel its tiny heartbeat against her skin.

[Bird Furious she/her/un/important]

Just now, Through The Living Glass said:

Yeahhhhhhhhhh sorry  hehe

And belt? she added, squeezing his hand.

-

It yawned one last time and fell asleep, breathing softly.

She could feel its tiny heartbeat against her skin.

--That. Right. He blushed and led her to explore the rooms. 

-

That made her feel something inside. Maybe a heart fever? Something in her chest felt warmer than usual. She tucked the turtle away in her pocket aquarium and then vanished to go speak with Nemesis.