Jondesu he/him Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 For me, this presents a paradox. If they lack purpose and focus, then why would they quit in a purposeful and focused way? Why would they give up their power? It is the spren who choose the Knights. How would a living idea, the definition of monomania, lose purpose and focus? I agree that it presents some problems of it's own. That said, I don't think it would have been the spren that lost focus. It think the Radiants themselves, perhaps under pressure from outside sources like the other nations or internal pressures of some type, may have agree to let non-surgebinders (so people who are not bonded to a spren) join their ranks, and that caused the organization as a whole to lose focus and become corrupted. I don't know that I really see that as a cause for the Recreance despite bringing it up, but it's obvious something along those lines was happening, whether it's tied to my idea or something else. jW
Moogle Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 Even if the organization itself was corrupt, the Radiants could just leave the organization and keep their spren and follow their oaths. They literally consigned their soulmates to eternal suffering, and I am quite sure they knew that would happen. I can't imagine killing my best friend just because my company starting letting in some hobos or something. According to Taravangian, there is a "secret" that broke the Knights Radiant - it would hardly be a secret if it was just non-Surgebinders joining the orders. 1
Michael Portz he/him Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Is there a theory or a thread where the following is discussed: Some part of the Wandersail song is a depiction of the Recreance. The part I am refering to would be the part, where the Uvara notice, that all of the atrocities they comitted were their own, and not something which had to be done "for a higher sake" on order of the king. This might hint at reason for the Recreance, where the Knights Radiant noticed that at least an aspect of their regimen was brutal (against the voidbringers??) but never wished for/ordered by Honor or Cultivation or strictly necessary at all. all edits: Typos Edited October 1, 2015 by Atastor 1
Rockbud he/him Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 Do the spren oaths pre-date the Heralds organisation of the early surgebinders? If not, was this the result of the bondsmith radiants actions? (sorry for not knowing the name) Also, if a bondsmith can affect the nature of spren bonds, what changes might have come into effect after generations of bondsmiths? Could a rogue bondsmith have messed with the radiance leading to the recreance?
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 Do the spren oaths pre-date the Heralds organisation of the early surgebinders? If not, was this the result of the bondsmith radiants actions? (sorry for not knowing the name) Also, if a bondsmith can affect the nature of spren bonds, what changes might have come into effect after generations of bondsmiths? Could a rogue bondsmith have messed with the radiance leading to the recreance? As far as I'm aware, they do not, as it has been extrapolated from one of the in-book epigraphs that the Oaths were created/devised by Ishar (Bondsmith Herald. i think you meant him) as the devastation Surgebinders were causing both during and inbetween Desolations kept giving humanity a handicap. We're still unclear exactly what abilities each Herald has as well as what Bondsmiths can actually do but I'd say they don't have anything to do with the Recreance per se but I think they played a crucial part in it's decision.
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