Quick Fix Game 30: Manywar

[Droughtbringer]

2 hours ago, Coop772 said:

Drought, that was honestly suspicious to me. We (or at least I) have a good number of reasons to trust Shqueeves as a village captain

Well, I do not have a good number of reasons to trust Shqueeves as a village captain, from my point of view, I have seen a player who is mostly disconnected from the game, and has yet to do anything for me to get a super solid read. I've gone back through his posts, and have still have yet to see something that convinces me that he is village (or a captain, for that matter, but that doesn't matter too much). If you could give me some reasons, either in thread for everyone to see (which would probably be best for everyone) or in PM, and I'm more than willing to take my vote off if I am given more of a reason that 'I just really trust this guy.' as it could easily be a defense that an elim could make for a teammate. That being said, Coop, I have a good read on you currently so I don't think you're an elim, but if Shqueeves ends up as one then I will take a deep look at you. 

I will also, as soon as I can, take a look at you and see if my village read is mostly gut, or is founded.

1 hour ago, Coop772 said:

2 several people have expressed suspicion for drought, and I am one of those.

Your 'several' people is actually just you and Arinian, so far. If you would like to keep your vote on me, for the sake of the village as a whole, please try and go find specific things that are giving you a bad read on me? You said that this is your first full game, so I'll give you a few tips for analysis:

1) Take a look at all of the players posts, and make some notes of what they are doing, and your response to it

2) Point out specific points that stand out as either being good or bad

3) Synthesize the good and the bad together, give a summary, and a final read.

That is my general protocol, but it allows you to get specific points of evidence to convince others of what you are seeing, and allows others to come to their own conclusions. Also, while doing analysis, it will help others figure out your alignment due to what you do and do not notice. I would suggest going after only one person at a time, as looking at everyone can be very overwhelming. 

Good luck with analysis! And I hope that it goes well for you.

[livinglegend]

I'm still most suspicious of Arinian, but I'm interested to see what happens to the rest of the votes without me putting him out of the range of the captain save. I'll vote for Bort again. No one has taken a very detailed look at Bort yet (probably because there has not been a whole lot to look at). I know I'm not one to talk, but this vote doesn't put him on the block for the lynch either. It just keeps me alive for this cycle.

Votes (Please Copy and Paste this when you make a vote!):

Shqueeves (2): Drought, Brightness Radiant
Devotary (1): Lopen
Mac (2): Len, Monster
Drought (2): Arinian, Coop
Elenion (1): Bort
Joe (1): Devotary
Arinian (3): Ripple, Shqueeves, Mac

Bort: Legend

[Ecthelion III he/him]

I'm rather inclined to believe Shqueeves; I can attest to his vast PM network which has been testified of in-thread, and he sent one to me too even when I was barely active. So it's pretty likely that there's a captain supporting him and that he himself is not a captain. 

Knowing who I'm not suspicious of doesn't really help me know who to vote for  ... as much as I hate to do so because you've been irl busy, BrightnessRadiant, your vote on Shqueeves strikes me as iffy, especially considering he already had a vote on him.

Shqueeves (2): Drought, Brightness Radiant
Devotary (1): Lopen
Mac (2): Len, Monster
Drought (2): Arinian, Coop
BrightnessRadiant (1): Ecthelion III
Elenion (1): Bort
Joe (1): Devotary
Arinian (3): Ripple, Shqueeves, Mac

Edited March 3, 2018 by Ecthelion III
player list...duh

[Arinian]

I will change my vote on Mac just for self-preservation. Drought.

Also I want to point you guys on one thing, I was elim only in 2 games but in both no one suspected me, think about it. And when I was villager I was many times lynched for weird things.

Couple examples: 

 

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

@Ecthelion III how so good sir? I stated suspicion of Shqueeves last cycle and explained why? I just don't have time to review anything else rn. I knew he had a vote on him because I wanted to help lynch someone who I suspect even if it's just a small suspicion...it's the best I have for now and I don't particularly like the other lynch candidates or haven't gotten to look very closely at them yet. So I figured Shqueeves was my best vote for being in a rush and trying to count towards a lynch.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Hello again. @Ecthelion III, i am voting for you right now to suvive. I should be changing my vote to either Arinian or Mac within a half hour, but if something comes up and i can't finish reading. I want to survive. Ecthelion III

If i have time after that, i'll acrually look at why Devo is voting on me, and respond to that.

Anything else i should look for?

[Elenion he/him]

I'm not feeling the Shqueeves lynch. Few elims would be so blatant as to soothe a vote off of a comrade that's not in serious danger. I have a theory of why Coop wants to move the lynch away from Mac. Arin I'm tonereading as village, so I'm going to keep my vote on Mac to give Arin a chance, because I'd rather lynch Mac than Arin.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I don't really want to lynch either of them. I've read through both their posts, and i think they are both villagers. If i was going to vote for one, it would be for Arinian, because of his post where he voted Mac. Not the vote, but the way he defended himself, depending on past games instead of this one.

I will vote for Elenion.Ecthelion III. assuming Mac is village, it is pretty obvious why coop is defending him. He has a role. So i want to know why Elenion's theory makes him prefer a Mac lynch.

Edited March 3, 2018 by A Joe in the Bush
Fixed color coding

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Vote tally:

Arinian (3): Ripple, Shqueeves, Mac
Shqueeves (2): Drought, Brightness Radiant
Mac (2): Len, Monster
Drought (2): Arinian, Coop
BrightnessRadiant (1): Ecthelion III
Elenion (3): Bort, Joe, Lopen
Joe (1): Devotary
Bort(1): Legend

Strange as it may sound, I'm leaning village for all 4 of Arinian, Shqueeves, Mac, and Drought. No idea about Elenion, but I do agree with Joe that it seems likely Mac has a role and that's why Coop is defending him. So...I guess it's better to lynch Elenion than a player I've got a village read on. Devotary.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

With Joe’s vote, we have another day of perfect voter turnout! Hopefully you will have more time to talk next cycle.

We currently have a 3-3 tie that could easily be broken by the captain. I would rather not leave the lynch up to their sole discretion, although doing so might help reveal their alignment. I don’t really believe that Arinian is an eliminator. I have played a couple of games with him when he was a villager, and he seems to be acting similarly to those times. 

One possibility as to why Coop trusts Mac is that Mac is the second captain, and that Coop had been warned ahead of time that his vote was going to be removed. If so, it seems unlikely that both Coop and Mac are eliminators, as Coop’s defense of Mac would be excessive if they were trying to keep an alliance secret. I shall test this theory by preserving the tie between now three players with Lopen’s vote.  I will keep my vote on Joe.

Edit:

Wow, I changed my mind there halfway through typing that up. The sudden swing to Elenion has made it worthwhile to verify the captain’s identity and alignment. If Elenion dies today and flips village, I am going to have to look at Mac, Joe, Coop and Lopen tomorrow.

Edited March 3, 2018 by Devotary of Spontaneity
Vagueness, Mixed messages, Ninjaing

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

3 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

With Joe’s vote, we have another day of perfect voter turnout! Hopefully you will have more time to talk next cycle.

We currently have a 3-3 tie that could easily be broken by the captain. I would rather not leave the lynch up to their sole discretion, although doing so might help reveal their alignment. I don’t really believe that Arinian is an eliminator. I have played a couple of games with him when he was a villager, and he seems to be acting similarly to those times. 

One possibility as to why Coop trusts Mac is that Mac is the second captain, and that Coop had been warned ahead of time that his vote was going to be removed. If so, it seems unlikely that both Coop and Mac are eliminators, as Coop’s defense of Mac would be excessive if they were trying to keep an alliance secret. I shall test this theory by preserving the tie between now three players with Lopen’s vote.  I will keep my vote on Joe.

 

Is my vote tally wrong? Because mine says only Arinian and Elenion have 3 votes. 

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

Arinian switched their vote to Mac.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

...and goodnight! Morning will come in a couple minutes... For most of you, anyways 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

 

Marshall Incarnadine glared at the soldiers.

"Now, listen up! We've lost two good soldiers, and for what? Mob violence? Gambling?? Austre, we've shed more of our own blood then they have!! Put a stop to this. Next time you have reason to think somebody here's a traitor, you take them to me."

He turned to leave, but paused.

"Oh, and one more thing," he said, expression darkening. "I don't want to see any more gambling."

 

Later that night, a large ring of soldiers sat huddled around the fire.

"New round, everyone ante up," Jeo whispered.

An assortment of coins, cookies, and a belt knife all clattered on the table.

Salthis glanced at his cards, sighed, then threw them face down on the table. "I fold."

"I'll raise," Sarcoline said, dropping an additional cookie on the pile. Zaffer, Ivy, Bort, Jeo, Vaati, Shu, Mac, Roid, Elien, and Gormund all followed suit.

'Round they went, as was their habit by now. This particular game went to Gormund, who claimed the sizable stack of bits and bobs that had accumulated in the game.

Mac scowled as he saw Gormund hoarding his precious cookies. "Cheat," he whispered. "You rigged that hand."

"Agreed. Maybe we should teach him a lesson," Eilen piped up.

"Is that so? Friend, I'll play you again, game of your choosing, and I bet I'll still beat you."

"What would you bet me? I don't want your pile of cookies, and nothing in your will belongs to you anymore," Eilen taunted.

"Well, it's about time you raised the stakes," somebody said. "To the death!"

The onlookers gazed on with a kind of hunger. Truth was, some of them had been waiting for this moment. The only way to fix things was to kill the traitor, and perhaps framing it in the form of a game helped them cope. There were few fair ways to decide who lives and who dies.

"Didn't want it to come to this, but I take it there's no backing out at this point?"

Various members of the crowd shook their heads.

 

Mac laid out three identical cookies on the table, then held up a small vial.

"Needless to say, all three of these are spiked, but one of them is not like the others. One of them has a poison, odorless, tasteless and highly soluble. The others don't." He glanced at Eilen and Gormund. "You two pick who eats which, then we find out."

"But it's so simple," Gormund explained. "All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own cookie, or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own cookie, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the cookie in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the cookie in front of me."

"You've made your decision then?"

"Well, yes, actually. If I can't pick either the one in front of you or me, I'll pick the one in front of Eilen."

Eilen shrugged. They each bit into their cookies.

Gormund brushed the crumbs off his front, cookie finished. "So, who's supposed to die n--"

He collapsed, the poison setting in quickly.

"Guess my--" he stuttered, before being overcome by a fit of coughing. "Guess my cousin got what he wanted. *cough* Colors-cursed will. Do me a favor and tell him he's a--"

And with that, Gormund seized up, pulse extinguished.

 

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Hope I did an alright job of the writeup on short notice; the person slated to die changed fifteen minutes before rollover and I'm trying to get these up sooner.

Also: If you have special requests for death RP, I'll make it happen; feel free to shoot me a PM.

Vote Tally

Mac (3)- Elenion, Monster, Arinian
Arinian (3)- Shqueeves, Mac, Ripple
Elenion (3)- Bort, Joe, Lopen
Shqueeves (2)- Brightness, Drought
Bort (1)- Livinglegend
Joe (1)- Devotary
Brightness (1)- Ecthelion
Drought (0)- Coop

 

Elenion has been lynched!

Identity of the deceased:

 

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Player List

1. A Joe in the Bush as Jeo the Yellow
2. Elenion as Gormund Oscarson Idrian
3. Randuir as commander Jaaver Idrian Captain
4. Livinglegend as Lucky
5. Shqueeves as Shu
6. Bort as Bort the Brute
7. BrightnessRadiant as Ivy
8. Straw as Straw Idrian
9. TheMightyLopen as Vaati
10. MacThorstenson as Mac
11. Devotary of Spontaneity as Fahmexa
12. Ecthelion as Eärendil
13. Coop772 as Salthis
14. MonsterMetroid as Roid
15. Droughtbringer as Zaffer
16. RippleGylf as Sarcoline
17. Arinian as Elien

 

Rollover

Edited March 3, 2018 by Drake Marshall

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I would have liked to hear why Elenion preferred a Mac lynch before he died. I just did the exact thing I lynched Straw for. I voted on a player, thinking my vote wouldn't matter, because no one else was going to.

Ok, but more importantly than Elenion's death, no one else is dead. No Eliminator kill. It's 1:30 in the morning, so excuse my rambling, but i've been thinking about the many many reasons why this could be. The motivations i mean. I think it is safe to assume the Eliminators are deliberately not killing us. Statistically, we would not have managed to roleblock the player making the kill 3 cycles in a row. So what motivation do the Eliminators have to not kill. Fear of Sentries, Kindness, Feeling too strong, Trollishness, Hoping for role claims, Meta gaming, and i might think of others as i type this up.

Starting with the first one, Fear of Sentries, the eliminators would not make a kill because they don't want to be seen targeting a player. The odds of that are minimal, 1 in # of players-1, multiplied by how ever many sentries there are over # of players-1. I think. But as people have pointed out, a sentry targeting someone who dies can easily reveal their killer. And there isn't any back or forth either. If the sentry sees only 1 person target a killed player, it's curtains for that player. I think, if this is the case, it would be a team of 3 eliminators, who have a sentry and a awakener, and are naturally cautious. I can't really think of any of the players here as being cautious enough to forego killing for three cycles. But it could be caution mixed with kindness or trollishness?

Kindness in another reason. None of us like to get killed early on. It gets really annoying, and i know i complained in somewhere, it might have been the AG dead doc, that i keep getting killed early on. So it is possible that the eliminators decided to forego killing, because they felt bad about it. The only player here that i could see doing that is Brightness Radiant, though from what i remember, she also likes killing. And I can't believe that kindness would keep them from killing for 3 cycles. If this is the case though, i could really only see an eliminator team of Brightness and older players like myself, Lopen, Ecthelion or Droughtbringer. I don't think newer players would do it.

Feeling too strong is my best bet. No offense is intended to @Drake Marshall in this one. Our GM is a first timer, and could have given the Eliminators too much power. 5 Eliminators, or too many captains, or all sentries, or something else. If that is the case, i could see the Eliminators deliberately crippling themself to compensate for that. If that is the case, they might not kill anyone untill 1 or more of them are dead. Or they might just be giving us a head start and then killing us. If one of us dies tonight, maybe that will confirm this idea. I could see Lopen, Ecthelion, Drought, Arinian, or maybe Ripple advocating this. Or me.

Trollishness is also a strong contender. Either on the GM's part, or the Eliminators. I highly doubt it, but our GM could have deliberately (Ooh, inactivity filter) put in no Eliminators, and we have to lynch him to win. More likely, the Eliminators decided not to kill just to amuse themselves. I doubt they would continue this long, but if you combine a troll with a kind player and a cautious player, i could see those three reinforcing the other's descions to not kill. I would see anyone on the list who has ever GM'd doing this, or anyone who has ever had an extended period in one of my spec docs doing this.

Hoping for Role claiming was my best bet last cycle, but i don't believe it any more. I'll include it for posterity though. A bit through last cycle, i had a plan to fake being an awakener, and whisper to a couple of people that i had roleblocked someone, too see if i got killed that night. I would have told Monster Metroid the plan, and also would have needed to find a sentry to target me. And then it occurred to me that maybe that is what they were hoping for. After all, what is the point in not roleclaiming, if you know that no one will kill you for it? But, no one ever brought that up, or encouraged roleclaiming, so i'm fairly certain this is not what they are waiting for.

Meta gaming, and inactivity filter, which i thought of during the Trollishness paragraph, are my new best theory. On Day 1, Randuir posted something about not killing the first night to get awakeners to role claim about having roleblocked the player making the kill, causing a mis lynch, and allowing the elims a shot at an awakener. (AS i type that, i realize that sentries would have prevented the plausibility of killing a revealed awakener, but that might have also been the point, as it would have attracted sentries to a predictable target.) But anyway, the eliminators saw that post, and decided to not kill just to see if we would fall for it anyway, since why would they not kill if the plan was already revealed? When that didn't work, maybe they hoped it would work if they did it again? But i think they would have given up on that by now, and I've forgotten why this is my new best theory, or how inactivity filter fits into this one. Dunno.

The Inactivity filter could help though. Inactivity kills give the village no information. Actually, we have a real dearth of information about who the elims consider to be a thread, though we have only lost experianced players, so maybe they are directing the lynches, but two of them have just been bad luck that the best players involved died. (MAn, imagine if this was one of my games where everyone tied died.)

I should sleep, but i can't I have too much else to do. It is currently 2 in the morning for me. I have a job with my dad from 8:30 till 11, and i work from 3 to rollover tonight. So i'll do my player analysis after 11, and vote then. Don't expect me to respond before then, though knowing me, i probably will ignore important priorities to check the shard instead, because i almost always do.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

That post reads very village to me. And thinking about it, I feel like the only reads I've had that I feel I can trust are village ones. So either the eliminators are playing very well, or there's trickery going on here. No kills for the first 3 Cycles is really odd. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

@Drake Marshall, are there any secret roles or rules in this game?

Maybe we need to re-kill the players we've lynched? Or recruit the dead somehow? I've made PM's with most players, and asked for roleclaims but haven't received an Awakener claim, and no one has come forward claiming to have an Awakener contact, unfortunately, so we haven't been able to get any feedback from the dead. Personally, I would suggest Monster as a contact, since he's my strongest village read(I PM'd him last cycle and told him as such too, so no need to worry I'm just pulling this out of thin air), and apparently he's Joe's strongest read as well.

Also...sorry Elenion(and Drake for making you change the write-up >>). I'm seriously at a loss for suspicions at the moment. I kinda want to ask for a mass roleclaim just to see if that might shed some light on things...is that suspicious? 

[Bort he/him]

Yes, Lopen. Asking for a mass role claim is suspicious.

I like the Princess Bride reference in the write up. Nice one @Drake Marshall

Someone said yesterday, when posting a vote for me, that there isn't much to go on about me. This is true, but there is a reason for that. I believe I've already mentioned this is my first game in ages. So, the reason for minimal activity is just me trying to get my head around the game again, and see what kinds of reads I can get on the players, most of which I've never played alongside before.

My vote this cycle is going on Ecthelion III. Mostly for his defence of himself yesterday. Using the logic "I'm not an eliminator since I'm not playing like one," seems a bit flimsy. Surely not playing like an eliminator is a good thing, especially when you are an eliminator.

[RippleGylf she/her]

Elims just don't do that. I can see a roleblocker picking the same target every round, but there would be at least two other eliminators to get the kill through. Drake, what the storms is going on? Can you confirm that the elims do in fact exist?

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

@A Joe in the Bush awwww thanks Joe sadly, I'm not that kind tho...I'd definitely have used a kill by now if it was just for kindness. I agree that maybe it's a smaller team and they just decided to use other roles until the village gets down far enough (since we usually end up lynching ourselves for a while) and if they killed people then they'd be narrowing down the pool for us even more?

Maybe they are trying to scan people first to see who'd they rather kill when it gets really important and close to needing the right targets? I think if you have a low number of elims, the village isn't putting you in danger for a while, you have a scanner......uhhh guys? How many people does it take to control an army of undead? Just one? Darn, what if there's only one? That would explain extreme caution and the fact that almost every role i've seen or known so far as just been a regular soldier. Maybe Drake only gave the village a couple of roles and then made there be one scanner elim? I feel like that would explain no kills because that would leave no one to put in the kill and they'd be safer not using it. I dunno just a thought, but I definitely agree with Joe that it's probably a small elim team.

Hmm...I'm gonna go read through the past cycles again finally so bye for now.

Edited March 3, 2018 by BrightnessRadiant
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[Devotary of Spontaneity]

So the captain declined to intervene in the lynch, instead deciding to remove Coop’s vote again. Still going with the assumption that either Mac or Coop are captains, I would guess that this is because they missed Arinian’s switch to Mac and the subsequent Elenion hammer. Since Coop was the second vote on Drought at the time, this suggests a possible, though unlikely, elim alliance between Drought and one or more of Mac and Coop. More probable is that both Mac and Coop are villagers and neither really wanted Drought dead.

3 hours ago, RippleGylf said:

Elims just don't do that. I can see a roleblocker picking the same target every round, but there would be at least two other eliminators to get the kill through. Drake, what the storms is going on? Can you confirm that the elims do in fact exist?

Drake’s initial post did say that there were “undoubtedly Hallandren Agents”, but it sure doesn’t feel like it. To add one more wild theory to the mix, I can’t help thinking that partway through the game, someone’s going to die, come back as a Returned, and start trying to kill us all. Also, Drake, does voting on you protect us from dying of disease?

[BrightnessRadiant she/her]

Okay I'm reading back through the past cycles and just gonna ask questions that come...

@MacThorstenson Why did you "poke" Ecthelion on cycle 1 with an actual vote when you were just trying to get him to respond to someone else's vote? Two votes for trying to get someone to get online is more dangerous than one in case the players forget to remove the votes before cycle ends. And voting on Rand just to keep the lynch tied? You could have done that by keeping your vote on Ecth so was there a reason you chose Rand instead? He was, after all, adding to analysis a lot more than most people.

@MonsterMetroid How come you took your vote off of Lopen and placed it on Devotary, immediately after Lopen says he might vote for you out of self preservation and then you later vote for Ripple to "save Rand" as you claimed but the only lynch that would have saved Rand at that point was Mac? Directly after your vote on Devotary than @Devotary of Spontaneity removed their vote from you. Is it possible that you both were afraid Lopen would vote on Monster so Monster found a reason to move his vote off Lopen to ease Lopen from voting on him and then Decotary removes their vote near the end to ensure that Monster is safe and that leaves Rand and Mac and Ripple on the chopping block? (just a theory where these two could be elims together)

@A Joe in the Bush you said there was no vote count on page 4 of cycle 1, but Monster posted one an hour before cycle ended? It was like 4 posts up from your vote. You couldn't have been ninja'd since you said you were only online 15 minutes before rollover. Just not see it?

@Arinian why did you vote on Drought on cycle two just because he said he suspected you? You actually gave a reason for suspecting Mac and didn't vote on him instead?

@RippleGylf you said this on cycle 2...

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Honestly, Arinian is my main suspicion at the moment. Since I haven't played for a while, I don't know if this is how Arinian typically plays, but his posts are among the most suspicious, from my point of view. I thought there could be a scenario where both Monster and Mac were spies, but Monster seems village enough to me at the moment, from his responses.

I'd like to hear what that scenario was because it fits in my theory of why Monster would vote for you on cycle one to save Rand instead of on Mac who's lynch would actually have saved Rand.

Mkay, just came across a post where Monster accuses Straw for leaving his vote on Rand on cycle one. (I could see an elim using this situation to frame a villager for an easy lynch) also just have to mention that I love your rp Monster. xD

Okay I only made it through part of cycle 2 trying to really look for connections and suspicions, but now I gotta go so I'll try and continue later. I'd appreciate if everyone could answer my questions, would help me with thinking through everything thanks!

I'll place my vote on Monster for now just in case I don't get a chance to get on again.

Wooo a little actual analysis done finally! *tears of joy and self accomplishment*

 

 

[MacThorstenson he/him]

4 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

@MacThorstenson Why did you "poke" Ecthelion on cycle 1 with an actual vote when you were just trying to get him to respond to someone else's vote? Two votes for trying to get someone to get online is more dangerous than one in case the players forget to remove the votes before cycle ends. And voting on Rand just to keep the lynch tied? You could have done that by keeping your vote on Ecth so was there a reason you chose Rand instead? He was, after all, adding to analysis a lot more than most people.

 

This was my first time using a poke vote. I just assumed that if you were going to poke someone, you would vote on them. Now that I know that you shouldn't poke someone with a real vote if they already have a poke vote on them, I wont do it. As soon as they posted, I took my vote off.

I explained in previous cycles that I used an RNG to place my vote on Rand. And I explained my reasons for using an RNG. 

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

28 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

Directly after your vote on Devotary than [Devotary] removed their vote from you. Is it possible that you both were afraid Lopen would vote on Monster so Monster found a reason to move his vote off Lopen to ease Lopen from voting on him and then Decotary removes their vote near the end to ensure that Monster is safe and that leaves Rand and Mac and Ripple on the chopping block?

The main reason I voted on Monster in the first place was that he had posted but not yet voted that cycle. Once he did place a vote, I (eventually) took my vote off him.

[Coop772]

I have lots of IRL stuff today, and not much time. That said, I will try to get some analysis/RP in tonight, but for now I think that at least until we get some answers from him, Drake is not that bad of a choice. On a side note, I PM'd @Arinian to see if he could participate, and he has not responded. Hmmmm

[MonsterMetroid]

10 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said:

@MonsterMetroid How come you took your vote off of Lopen and placed it on Devotary, immediately after Lopen says he might vote for you out of self preservation and then you later vote for Ripple to "save Rand" as you claimed but the only lynch that would have saved Rand at that point was Mac? Directly after your vote on Devotary than @Devotary of Spontaneity removed their vote from you. Is it possible that you both were afraid Lopen would vote on Monster so Monster found a reason to move his vote off Lopen to ease Lopen from voting on him and then Decotary removes their vote near the end to ensure that Monster is safe and that leaves Rand and Mac and Ripple on the chopping block? (just a theory where these two could be elims together)

"Roid don't remember voting for lopen but Roid say why he does the pointing when he points. Roid think Lopen more Idrian than most than most now though so maybe that why Roid move vote off Lopen" Roid Shrugged

"Roid does remember pointing at Devotary and Ripple though right now, Roid remember thinking only two people tied for points and Roid's vote on devotary was not worth, so Roid made it worth before time up, But Roid still sorry at Sark'lin for that" Roid looked at @RippleGylf sheepishly

"Roid still tink Devotary more Hallendren than most, but he tink Mac point would still show more about coop, but coop point would show about mac too. mac might be important too but mac might be important Idrian"

"Roid tink we should point at people that we can learn about connections from deaths (Especially if we can learn from them turning out to be a villager or an Elim.) So Roid point at Mac again"

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I'm going to be busy today but I will try to get back on, there is a lot concerning me about this game because it is so strange. I am a bit concerned that joe in the bush was invovled in straws death and elens, It's starting to make me think that joe's vote day one was to provide better odd protection for Ripple without linking them directly to analysis. I will try to go back through elens posts because the sudden increase on votes on himj may be indicative that he was onto something and the elims are using the lynch as their kill since three is the highest we have gotten.

@Drake Marshall I guess I would like to echo Lopen's question is there any secret roles or rules that exist?