RShara she/her Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Calderis said: What we've been disagreeing with from the beginning was your assertion that plate doesn't enhance Radiant strength because they already have it. The idea you just proposed is much more in line with the thinking we've been espousing, and I'm not clear at what point in this thread your thinking changed. This. Shardplate, either regular "dead" Plate, or Radiant "living" plate definitely enhances strength. A lot. Stormlight by itself, held by a Radiant, enhances strength a little. Probably to the optimum amount based on build and musculature, but not really beyond human norms. Quote I tend to think it makes them more like silver or bronze Olympic athletes very much still in the realm of humans but similar to Tarzan, Conan, Batman etc. Olympic athletes sure. Tarzan, Conan, etc? Nah. Those fictional characters have absurdly exaggerated strength, especially Conan. Edited February 4, 2018 by RShara
CrazyRioter she/her Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 Human muscles are a lot stronger than we can usually access, because using the full strength of our muscles would tear ligaments and tendons and even break bones so our brains won't let us do it, except in adrenaline fueled emergency mode. I figure Stormlight lets people access their full strength, like an adrenaline rush (Kaladin even compares the feeling to an adrenaline rush the first time he notices he's using it) and protects them from the consequences via toughening the body and healing any damage. 2
Nymeros Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, Hsien99 said: Do people think the Radiants Shardplate gives them increased physical abilities? For sure. Disredarding in story portrayal, the fact that Kaladin was shocked that Rock could at all use a weapon built for users of Shardplate says it all. Kaladin (while infused) also was hesitant to wrestle Rock during a sparring match. Quote Do you think Radiants can give birth have a family etc? Yes. Lighteyes are apparently descended from Surgebinders. 4 hours ago, StormingTexan said: It’s not for protection from normal foes or even a shardblade as they can heal instantly. No it's for protection. Taking blows you can block is silly as 1)Radiants still feel pain 2)that would be a waste of Stormlight and 3)it would slow them down. Remember Kaladins stunt in the Arena where he snapped his legs by dropping into a Shardbearers chest? Now imagine how much more successful that move would be with a set of Plate..... Quote Also it’s biggest weakness as it apparently interferes with thier own surges. I don't think living plate actually does. It's the spheres needed to move dead plate that causes the trouble. Edited February 4, 2018 by Nymeros 1
Yata he/him Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, Nymeros said: I don't think living plate actually does. It's the spheres needed to move dead plate that causes the trouble. The Plate inteferes with Surges for the same as usual Investiture Interference. But It don't mess with the owner's Surges as the vision with the Radiants Vs Midnight Essences proved. In the modern day we didn't see yet a Plate integrated with a Radiantspren so for our main characters is still impossibile to know 1
The One Who Connects he/him Posted February 4, 2018 Posted February 4, 2018 (edited) On 2/3/2018 at 1:44 AM, Solant said: Lead them to the Dark Side, it will. So, uh.. Dark side, huh? Quote the_archduke (paraphrased) Could a Knight Radiant pass their Nahel bond the way seons can be passed in Elantris? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Theoretically possible and in fact has happened in previous eras. Seons can be Passed to another. Usually this occurs within families[2], but they can be passed to anyone.[3] Ashe has served Sarene's family for over two centuries.[2] Edited February 4, 2018 by The One Who Connects
Solant he/him Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Just a Star Wars joke. I guess I should have emphasized the Yoda voice I heard in my head when I typed it
Bort he/him Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 0:50 AM, StormingTexan said: Another way to put this is why would a KR wear shardplate in the first place? It’s not for protection from normal foes or even a shardblade as they can heal instantly. It protects against voidbinding surges as we see at the tower battle but that’s pretty much the only benefit if you exclude enhanced strength. Also it’s biggest weakness as it apparently interferes with thier own surges. As we have seen in the visions KR wore plate while not fighting voidbringers (while fighting the Midnight Essence) it seems logical that it yields other advantages. I’d say increased strength just like it does for non KR wearers is a safe bet. It’s basically a Stormlight fueled exoskeleton. Note, we do not know if RADIANT Shardplate interferes with surges. It is almost guaranteed that it doesn't, otherwise what is the point of any Radiant wearing it? I think the reason 'dead' Plate interferes is because of the same reason Plate requires gemstones to function. The Plate consumes the Stormlight to keep itself healed.
Calderis he/him Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 46 minutes ago, Bort said: Note, we do not know if RADIANT Shardplate interferes with surges. It is almost guaranteed that it doesn't, otherwise what is the point of any Radiant wearing it? I think the reason 'dead' Plate interferes is because of the same reason Plate requires gemstones to function. The Plate consumes the Stormlight to keep itself healed. We have an in Cosmere mechanic that explains the investiture interference. Identity. The plate is keyed to the identity of the Radiant who created it, and would only allow their surges to effect it, for the same reason that a metalmind is (normally) only accessible to the person who filled it. As I've said in numerous other places, thus is the primary reason that the Spren theory for plate is a problem for me.
StormingTexan he/him Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bort said: Note, we do not know if RADIANT Shardplate interferes with surges. It is almost guaranteed that it doesn't, otherwise what is the point of any Radiant wearing it? In Oathbringer in the vision with the Midnight Essence Dalinar was playing the part of a Stoneward and he couldn't summon his armor yet because Windrunner lashed him but yes I shouldn’t have said own surges I meant this in particular as a Windrunner couldn’t lash another KR in plate or use re-growth on another KR in plate if that KR was injured and low on Stormlight. Edited February 5, 2018 by StormingTexan
RShara she/her Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, StormingTexan said: In Oathbringer in the vision with the Midnight Essence Dalinar was playing the part of a Stoneward and he couldn't summon his armor yet because Windrunner lashed him but yes I shouldn’t have said own surges I meant this in particular as a Windrunner couldn’t lash another KR in plate or use re-growth on another KR in plate if that KR was injured and low on Stormlight. Correct. A KR's Shardplate would not affect the uses of his own surges, but would interfere with surges used on him or her by someone else.
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