Wandering Investor Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 54 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: That would seem like it would make more sense, especially with how weird the fact that aluminum actually works in the Metallic Arts is, but that's not the case. Bad link. 22 minutes ago, Weltall said: I wonder if Preservation and Ruin might have slightly more influence over their magic systems than other Shards do, considering that they created Scadrial and all life on it from the ground up. It probably wouldn't make a difference after the world was created but in the process of creation itself, they might have been able to exert some influence on how their magic would eventually arise. I think the location depends more on their location in space, or the astral plane, than the planet itself. Hard to be sure at this point, just speculation on my part.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Wandering Investor said: Bad link. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll go fix it.
Wandering Investor Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, StrikerEZ said: That would seem like it would make more sense, especially with how weird the fact that aluminum actually works in the Metallic Arts is, but that's not the case. There is some wiggle room there. It is unclear if Brandon is talking in-world or narrative wise. In-world Aluminum was weird before the shattering, making it older than the metallic arts. But narrative wise, I'm not sure if Mistborn or aluminium-weirdness came first.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Wandering Investor said: But narrative wise, I'm not sure if Mistborn or aluminium-weirdness came first. Aluminum, due to the Tin Error. (Aluminum is in MB Book 1, so it kinda has to come first, but they kinda happened together) Quote Silver, the Useless Metal I've annotated about this before, but I figured I'd mention it again. As you probably know, in book one, tin was originally silver. I swapped it out for various reasons. However, that left silver having no Allomantic powers. That feels strange to a lot of people because of how common and useful it is in our modern culture. Such an obvious metal doing nothing seems wrong to readers. I toyed with using it in place of aluminum at the end of book one, but I realized that wouldn't work. It was too common, so if it had any Allomantic powers, people would know about them for certain. Only a metal that was very hard to find—like aluminum—would be believable as a new metal that most people hadn't heard of. So silver is Allomantically inert. Just one of the quirks of the magic system. Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] The writerly answer is that we started with silver in place of tin. And by the time I swapped it out, aluminum was already its thing. If I had to do it over again, I might make silver aluminum, but I wanted what aluminum does to be rare, and silver isn't. So I might not have. I love what aluminum does because it's super-rare pre-industrial, but you hit industrial and it's everywhere. So it allowed me to do, when we get to modern era, to have real checks on Allomancy as Allomancy gets more powerful. Edited April 9, 2018 by The One Who Connects
Spoolofwhool Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Weltall said: I wonder if Preservation and Ruin might have slightly more influence over their magic systems than other Shards do, considering that they created Scadrial and all life on it from the ground up. It probably wouldn't make a difference after the world was created but in the process of creation itself, they might have been able to exert some influence on how their magic would eventually arise. Yeah, I think there's a good chance that that's the case.
Wandering Investor Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 1 minute ago, The One Who Connects said: Aluminum(sorta), due to the Tin Error. To clarify, I meant whether Brandon's decision to have Aluminium be a investiture sink/weirdness, happened before, during, or after Mistborn. I know aluminum was in the cosmere before Mistborn, but its unclear as to whether Brandon has intended during the creation of Mistborn for Aluminium to to be an investiture sink, or if it evolved into that afterwards.
MountainKing Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wandering Investor said: Bad link. I think the location depends more on their location in space, or the astral plane, than the planet itself. Hard to be sure at this point, just speculation on my part. In Realamatics Theory it is called the Cognitive Realm not astral plane. Edited April 9, 2018 by MountainKing Fixing Something
The One Who Connects he/him Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, Wandering Investor said: happened before, during, or after Mistborn. I realized that, and edited my post, but I guess you got here before that updated. Aluminum itself is in Book 1. It's the metal that the Inquisitors give to Vin in the prison. And Brandon had to fix the Silver/Tin thing before releasing Book 1, so both of them technically happened "before" the book, in a way. As for if it was just "remove reserves" or the rest of the weirdness back then, the majority of WoBs we have with the Aluminum tag are from after WoR came out, so I can't prove anything.
Wandering Investor Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 19 minutes ago, MountainKing said: In Realamatics Theory it is called the Cognitive Realm not astral plane. Mistborn: Secret History sploilers Spoiler In SH, Hoid refers to something called an Astral Plane. Based on context, he appears to be talking about the portion of the Cognitive Realm that is made of mist. During Kelsier's journey, he reaches the outer edge of the solar system, and the mist stops. Throw in the areas mentioned on the Cogntive realm of Roshar, and it appears the Cognitive realm is divided into sections with different properties. Based on connections between characteristics in the cognitive realm and their respective magic systems, I've speculated that the Cosmere is divided into sections referred to as Astral Planes, with each one having unique characteristics and extending through both the physical and cognitive realms. With that in mind, I think magic systems are created by an interaction between the Shards and the Astral Planes, not the planets. But largely speculation. 15 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: I realized that, and edited my post, but I guess you got here before that updated. Aluminum itself is in Book 1. It's the metal that the Inquisitors give to Vin in the prison. And Brandon had to fix the Silver/Tin thing before releasing Book 1, so both of them technically happened "before" the book, in a way. As for if it was just "remove reserves" or the rest of the weirdness back then, the majority of WoBs we have with the Aluminum tag are from after WoR came out, so I can't prove anything. Read it before your edit, but I agree with it now.
Steeldancer he/him Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 Am I still the only one who thinks this makes sense? I think the mechanic of directly accessing the spirit web makes sense of using aluminum.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: I think the mechanic of directly accessing the spirit web makes sense of using aluminum. Don't think I've read your thoughts on that(at least, not recently). Elaborate, if you don't mind. Or point me in the direction of another post if you've explained it before Edited April 9, 2018 by The One Who Connects
Steeldancer he/him Posted April 9, 2018 Posted April 9, 2018 I Explained it my spirit web thread, and in here. Essentially, it’s the difference between throwing investiture at something and directly hooking into the spirit web. A metalmind is connected to a persons spiritweb, and at that point investiture can be put in around the block, because it’s going into the web itself, rather than at the aluminum as a whole, which rejects investiture. It’s like a balloon with no hole, but if you bring it to you and poke a hole, you can fill it up. Not the best metaphor, but it makes sense in my head.
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