hoser he/him Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) I didn't see a topic for this, but please enlighten me if I'm wrong. I am naming it somewhat obliquely because there used to be a "feature" that allowed the titles of spoiler threads to appear in non-spoiler forums. Quote “... Surely you have sensed the darkness in this place. The… wrongness.” Shallan looked about the small room, flickering with shadows from a few candles on the counter. “Your task,” Mraize said, “is to secure this location. Urithiru must remain strong if we are to properly use the advent of the Voidbringers.” I think I must have missed a part of Shallan's previous story where she observed this for herself, but if it's news to others, then there is the question of whether it's real. Edit: This was all I found (Chapter 13), and it doesn't seem as clear as Mraize claims: Quote The first page of the sketchbook was of the corridor with the twisting strata she’d passed through the other day: lines of madness curling toward darkness. So the first issue I have is that the Ghostbloods believe: Quote “Morality is an axis that doesn’t interest us,” Mraize said calmly. “Only loyalty and power are relevant, for morality is as ephemeral as the changing weather. It depends upon the angle from which you view it. You will see, as you work with us, that I am right.” So the darkness and wrongness of this place are not on the axis of morality? They must be power, because they don't seem like loyalty to me. Whatever, the Ghostbloods don't make sense to me. Anyhoo, on to the hopefully answerable questions. I have learned so much from the 17th Shard hivemind and I understand so little that I thought to call on you again: Does this darkness relate to the stones being Unhallowed that Szeth could walk on them? Is this darkness part of why the Radiants abandoned it? Did the darkness contribute to Adolin losing control and killing Torol Sadeas? Is this malign influence encouraging further mayhem? Is it behind the replicated murders? Is it Odious, independent or an effect of the Oathpact? What is it's nature? Does Urithiru have a spren? Edit: Shallan can't draw it. She couldn't draw Cryptics, either. Probably not related, but perhaps similar cognitive causes. What are the even better questions that I have missed? Thanks! Edited October 24, 2017 by hoser
CodeMnke she/her Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 Quote Did the darkness contribute to Adolin losing control and killing Torol Sadeas? Ya know i never even considered that. I honestly dont think it did, but it is possible. As for the rest here is my take (note these are just my opinions) Quote So the darkness and wrongness of this place are not on the axis of morality? They must be power, because they don't seem like loyalty to me. Whatever, the Ghostbloods don't make sense to me. They dont care about the right or wrong of it. They want to use U as a base so they need to to be "safe and secure" which means getting rid of whatever the problem is causing the darkness. Does this darkness relate to the stones being Unhallowed that Szeth could walk on them? - Dont think so Is this darkness part of why the Radiants abandoned it? I suspect it happened after the radients abandoned it but that could be correct Did the darkness contribute to Adolin losing control and killing Torol Sadeas? - dont think so Is this malign influence encouraging further mayhem? - I think so, see 5 Is it behind the replicated murders? - I think so! Is it Odious, independent or an effect of the Oathpact? Dont think its directly Odium so much as one of the unmade What is it's nature? Does Urithiru have a spren? No idea What are the even better questions that I have missed?
Aleksiel Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 Shallan commented on that darkness she sensed before, it could be connected to why she can't draw the tower and I do think it's part of why the Radiants abandoned the city. But influence Adolin killing Sadeas? The only interesting choice of words during that scene in my opinion was the following: Quote Adolin stood for a moment, staring Sadeas in the eyes, and then something finally snapped. However, I'm skeptical it has a deeper meaning. Allomancy isn't at play here Too cosmer-ish. But I don't get this part from your post 13 minutes ago, hoser said: So the darkness and wrongness of this place are not on the axis of morality? How could a city or a building be a subject of morality? Morality is related to right and wrong, but in the sense of behavior and principles, not all sorts of wrongness.
CodeMnke she/her Posted October 24, 2017 Posted October 24, 2017 Quote The only interesting choice of words during that scene in my opinion was the following: Quote Adolin stood for a moment, staring Sadeas in the eyes, and then something finally snapped. Although that is actually interesting now that I think about it. Wasnt the other person killed (and replicated) something said like, they went too far this time and killed them (like they finally snapped). Ill have to go look it up.
CodeMnke she/her Posted October 24, 2017 Posted October 24, 2017 Found it Quote “No,” the standing man said, then settled back down beside Betha, knife out. He set it on the table, in front of them. “We knew Ned would go too far at some point. Everyone did. I don’t think any of us was surprised when, after she tried to drag him away from the tavern that night, he finally went over the edge.” There could be a connection though i doubt it still
Guest Posted October 24, 2017 Posted October 24, 2017 2 hours ago, hoser said: Did the darkness contribute to Adolin losing control and killing Torol Sadeas? Brandon said Adolin murdering Sadeas was all him. He may however have inadvertently triggered something.
TheDarkDesperado he/him Posted October 24, 2017 Posted October 24, 2017 4 hours ago, CodeMnke said: Found it There could be a connection though i doubt it still I think if there's a connection then it's that the feelings leading to the impulse murders are the trigger for whatever this is, if it were the other way around I would, personally, expect more instances.
Blacksmithki Posted October 24, 2017 Posted October 24, 2017 How exactly do these copycat murders occur? Does it kill them then set it up to be like the murders or does it kill them in the same way? Is it a physical entity or is it a poltergeist style effect? Does it kill them from the cognitive/spiritual realm or from the physical? I'm guessing we find out before the end of part one
StormingTexan he/him Posted October 24, 2017 Posted October 24, 2017 Is it possible that similar to Nergaoul fueling the Thrill there could be another Unmade fueling murders or rage?
Ciridae Posted October 24, 2017 Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) Oops wrong thread. I don't know if the unmade is fueling or in any way causing them, but I assume it's gaining from it somehow. Maybe its just there to cause fear or panic, but I have a feeling that it's been in Uruthiru for longer than the Alethi. Edited October 24, 2017 by Ciridae
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