Watchcry he/him Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 It is said that it's not impossible to be a surgebinder with two spren; just extremely difficult due to maintaining more oaths. I was curious which two orders you all think would be coolest to combine. I am thinking either an Elsecalling Skybreaker or a Lightweaving Skybreaker. I think a Lightweaving one would be impossible to maintain, though, so probably the elsecalling one. Another cool thing about having two bonded spren is to make one a shield and the other a weapon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catladyman Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 I would love to see an Edgedancing Windrunner. Both sets of Oaths we've seen so far seem to focus on similar virtues, or at least complementary ones, and the power combo would be sick! Imagine Kaladin's Windrunning with no friction. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ILuvHats he/him Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Yeah, you'd accelerate constantly if you lashed yourself while removing friction. You could basically travel from one end of Roshar to the other in a matter of an hour or two. The only problem would be decelerating. I can't imagine it's easy to stop moving when you're moving at several times the speed of sound. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchcry he/him Posted October 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) The reason I mentioned Elsecalling is because one could presumably just teleport instantly to the other side of the world, plus one could soulcast AND fly. Edit: Can soulcasters turn air into something or just smoke? Cuz if air one could turn air into Stone and cause it to fall on the enemy. If it were big enough it could do a lot of damage. Edited October 8, 2017 by Watchcry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 22 minutes ago, Watchcry said: The reason I mentioned Elsecalling is because one could presumably just teleport instantly to the other side of the world, plus one could soulcast AND fly. Edit: Can soulcasters turn air into something or just smoke? Cuz if air one could turn air into Stone and cause it to fall on the enemy. If it were big enough it could do a lot of damage. We see this in WoR. The Soulcasters make the wind breaks by soulcasting air into stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbonationspren he/him Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 What if I was a Windrunner and a Skybreaker? Would I get some sort of compounding effect going on with the Surge of Gravitation? That would be awesome. Would that mean that I could use less Stormlight? Could I make stronger Lashings than the other Radiants (if there is a limit to the strength)? Also, I get two Shardblades! (!!!!!!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejopen27 he/him Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Catladyman said: I would love to see an Edgedancing Windrunner. Both sets of Oaths we've seen so far seem to focus on similar virtues, or at least complementary ones, and the power combo would be sick! Imagine Kaladin's Windrunning with no friction. I will protect those who can't protect themselves, and I will remember those who have been forgotten fit together well. It's clear that Ym was close to drawing a Cultivation spren and successfully drew a Whatever a Truthwatcher Spren is called. (Possibly Keen spren?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteLeeopard she/her Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) From what we have seen so far I suspect Edgedancers are some of the most compatible with other orders (based purely on feasibility of oaths). While Elsecaller probably the hardest. I do wonder if we will see a KR with 2 spren at some point. In any case, if this happens it will likely not be on first SA half. Edited October 9, 2017 by WhiteLeeopard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchcry he/him Posted October 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Quote Elsecaller probably the hardest. I was thinking Skybreaker would be the least compatible. What makes you think Elsecaller is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walin he/him Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 To be the spoilsport here, remember that spren fill the cracks in a soul. To have enough instability to bond *two* spren, you'd either end up with a Zane (Szeth but more)-like madman who may crash their bonds real quick-like. OH WAIT- what if you have a Radiant with multiple personality disorder, with one order per personality? That would be pretty stinking cool, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 10:07 PM, Calderis said: We see this in WoR. The Soulcasters make the wind breaks by soulcasting air into stone. Completely missed this scene, but I'm not surprised they can do that. It opens an interesting possibility for your Modern World Fabrial-Tech Thread, since I posited they could fill a mold with water and cast the water into something else rather than whittling down wood into a specific shape. Why not just use open air that's already filling the mold? (I'm using a mold still so you can get more precision in your cast than using open air, since that's more efficient in a modern world like our own) As a sidenote, I'm curious if they could soulcast objects into/from oxygen or CO2 in the far future, rather than just air. It'd be an interesting solution to our greenhouse gas problem , not that they'd need it. To the Ultimate List.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 I would love to see a combination of windrunner and dustbringers that would create the ultimate shock warrior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchcry he/him Posted October 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 17 minutes ago, Nathrangking said: I would love to see a combination of windrunner and dustbringers that would create the ultimate shock warrior. Like a dragon similar to Smaug or like the one in the Reign of Fire movie with Matthew McConaughey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteLeeopard she/her Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Watchcry said: I was thinking Skybreaker would be the least compatible. What makes you think Elsecaller is? Edgedancers, Remembering the forgotten: not logical, why focus on the small when the big is in play Windrunners, protect: sometimes there are bigger goals than protecting the minor people Skybreakers, the law: laws are not always logical, specially in Roshar Stonewards, standing your ground: ehhh, definitely not logical, if retreat is the best option, then retreat Lightweavers, honest and truths: probably the easiest one to accept for Elsecallers, although not sure they will have the disposition to cheer up others' morale Bondsmiths, uniting: probably too honest, assasins and hidden deals may not be doable for Bondsmiths Don't really know enough about the others to say. Skybreakers may be compatible with Bondsmiths, Stonewards and Lightweavers. Granted, not easily, but combining 2 orders is never going to be a walk in the park. Edited October 9, 2017 by WhiteLeeopard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 7 hours ago, WhiteLeeopard said: hidden deals may not be doable for Bondsmiths. I'd like to talk to you about Gavilar Kholin, and his association with the Sons of Honor and the Diagram. Quote Pagerunner Brandon said that Gavilar had been on the Bondsmith path for longer than Dalinar has been. As an aside, the best combination I see would be Windrunner and Stoneward. We'll have to see what the rest of their oaths are, but for now, the suspected Stoneward Oath of "I will stand when others fall" fits pretty well with the Windrunner Ideal of Protection. Although it is an interesting thought experiment to consider the possibility of a Windrunner/Skybreaker cross if they lived in a society that had a completely just and fair system of laws. Just thought I'd put that out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteLeeopard she/her Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 4 hours ago, The One Who Connects said: I'd like to talk to you about Gavilar Kholin, and his association with the Sons of Honor and the Diagram. Gotcha. Maybe Bondsmith and Elsecaller could work, but I'm not sure how much unity could be achieved through logic. Eventually you need emotions for that. Even the Diagram which is supposed to be ultra logical wasn't just created without outside interference. And technically Gavilar didn't have any association to the Diagram, as the Diagram was born after he died. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciridae Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I think the scariest would probably be a Skybreaker + Elsecaller combo. If Transformation ends up enabling ranged surgebinding, imagine what you could do with Division and Gravitation from a distance. Lash people into the sky or annihilate them with a thought. Plus flying, and getting to the CR, maybe teleporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Wait, where is it said surgebinder could have more than one spren? I remember reading something along the lines one could attract more than one, but it didn't sound like you could bond all attract, I interpreted it the surgebinder simply had two possible roads to go. About Elsecallin Brandon said it's imprecise even when you know what you're doing, so I imagine while you could elsecall to a city you wouldn't be able to pick a preferred building floor, but we'll see soon enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walin he/him Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 The only combo unavailable to a split personality is one with a Cryptic, since the Lightweaving personality would have to come to terms with their two personalities and possibly merge them, removing the second spren. Regardless, this person would be pretty broken anyways (both in terms of power level and Spiritual aspect). Perhaps a Surgebinder with one spren and one Honorblade could pull off a Double Order from Honor King (McHonor? Stormfather's?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walin he/him Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Whoops, I double posted Edited October 10, 2017 by Walin I double posted, so I edited everything out because I don't know how to delete posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 11 hours ago, Aleksiel said: Wait, where is it said surgebinder could have more than one spren? I remember reading something along the lines one could attract more than one, but it didn't sound like you could bond all attract, I interpreted it the surgebinder simply had two possible roads to go. Here's the first WoB I was able to find Quote Brandon Sanderson Yes. So, can you be bonded to more than one spren? The answer to that question is also yes. Potentially. But there is a much harder limit on that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walin he/him Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 12 hours ago, Aleksiel said: About Elsecallin Brandon said it's imprecise even when you know what you're doing, so I imagine while you could elsecall to a city you wouldn't be able to pick a preferred building floor, but we'll see soon enough. I'm guessing that you come out in a similar spot to where you were in the Cognitive Realm, so I guess it depends on the size of the Cognitive imprint: city > road > abandoned settlement > ocean > space, in terms of preciseness where you come into the Physical Realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 49 minutes ago, Weltall said: Here's the first WoB I was able to find Thanks! However the context is bonding more than one Shardblade, so I do not see it as meaning it's possible to have several nahel bonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 16 hours ago, WhiteLeeopard said: And technically Gavilar didn't have any association to the Diagram, as the Diagram was born after he died. Yea sorry, not the Diagram specifically so much as Taravangian. Pre-Diagram, Gavilar confided in Taravangian about his visions from the Stormfather, which Graves mentions as the only reason they(the Diagrammists) know the term "Everstorm." Admitting that you've been receiving visions implies a rather high level of trust, especially given the Vorin view on future-sight. They'd have to have gone through something in the past to build that trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchcry he/him Posted October 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Aleksiel said: Thanks! However the context is bonding more than one Shardblade, so I do not see it as meaning it's possible to have several nahel bonds. I read that WoB and he still does say spren specifically, not just shardblade. Otherwise I feel he would have said shardblade, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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