Borio Singaldi he/him Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 I may not be the first person to mention this, but I suspect there might be a pattern of sorts going on in the chapter headings of each Stormlight book. We know from experience with multiple Sanderson books that the epigraphs before the start of the chapters play into the story, but in a very broad sense in that they don't make sense until either the book or even multiple books are completed. This occurred with Mistborn, and I believe that may be the case with the Stormlight Archive with the symbols of the Heralds in the arches at the head of each chapter. I believe there is a deeper meaning to them we have yet to understand, and I want to try to figure it out. Help with this theory would be very much appreciated. What we know: The ten Heralds each have a number and a Soulcasting Essence dedicated to their name in Vorinism (i.e. the number Jes for Jezrien, which represents 1, or the number Nan for Nale, which represents 2). The Heralds all have known symbols of their faces associated with the symbol of the Knights Radiant, and those faces appear multiple times on each chapter heading. Each time, there are two sets of faces on the archways, sometimes the same face four times and sometimes two different faces occurring twice. There has been a previous example of a cryptic message being hidden in a series of numbers in the Stormlight Archive, that being Taravangian's Diagram message written in a series of numbers that translates into Spoiler a warning to hold the secret that broke the Knights Radiant. What I'm wondering is: What if those Herald faces (and their associated numbers) are a long list of numbers written as a form of code that extends across either each book or the entire Archive? And if so, what could it translate into? What super important message could we get out of it? Now, I did find a few flaws with this theory, originally. If the Heraldic numbers go from 1 to 10, wouldn't that be confusing as a code form, since the lettering in codes works in single digits, namely 0 through 9. So what I'm thinking is either we could mark down the implied numbers from each chapter headings as Jes - 0 Nan - 1 Chach - 2 Vev - 3 Palah - 4 Shash - 5 Betab - 6 Kak - 7 Tanat - 8 Ishi - 9 or Jes - 1 Nan - 2 Chach - 3 Vev - 4 Palah - 5 Shash - 6 Betab - 7 Kak - 8 Tanat - 9 Ishi - 0 Who knows? Maybe it leads to some grand, complicated message with monumental importance to the Stormlight Archive or even the Cosmere as a whole. Or maybe this is all a dud, and there's no secret meaning to the Herald faces in the chapter headings, and I've been wasting my time. Either way, I would love to have some help with figuring this all out, since I don't really have the requisite time to do so. Thanks! 7
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 I don't have the time to do it either... alone. It is an interesting idea though, and would take nerdiness to a new level. If you formed a group of people to team up on this, I would definitely be willing to join and help out. That said, if you are true, we might spoil the entire SA? Is it worth it...?
The One Who Connects he/him Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Firerust said: since the lettering in codes works in single digits, namely 0 through 9. This brings up another issue. How are you gonna differentiate between individual and combo numbers in order to get K-Z? I'm up for a codebreaker session, but if I can't differentiate between the halves(almost) of the alphabet, then we will just have an exorbitantly long string of meaningless numbers.
Worldhopper he/him Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 Very cool. Y'all have at it and let me know the results. I would offer assistance but I'm well aware that any interference on my part would only serve to cause confusion in an already confusing matter. very cool idea though
Steeldancer he/him Posted September 11, 2017 Posted September 11, 2017 I think the heralds have much to do with what is going on in the chapter. Look at my I found Chana and Ishar thread, to see how I found Ishar that way.
Borio Singaldi he/him Posted September 11, 2017 Author Posted September 11, 2017 1 hour ago, The One Who Connects said: This brings up another issue. How are you gonna differentiate between individual and combo numbers in order to get K-Z? I'm up for a codebreaker session, but if I can't differentiate between the halves(almost) of the alphabet, then we will just have an exorbitantly long string of meaningless numbers. Well, to be honest, I don't really understand codebreaking, programming, etc., so I have no idea what "K-Z" means. Perhaps "pattern" would have been a better term for me to use than "code". I just think that with a series of ten one-digit numbers, there might be a pattern to it, but I'm too ignorant to know what.
Tesh Any pronouns Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Ohhhh, I'm definitely going to go through both books and list what heralds appear at the beginning of each chapter. I'll put that on here when I do. 1
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 To clarify, what I am willing to help with is what @Tesh now volunteered to do by himself. Actual codecracking is something I lack experience and knowledge in, and I doubt anyone wants to waste time teaching me how to.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 19 hours ago, Firerust said: I have no idea what "K-Z" means. This one was literally the letters K through Z. We have 10 Heralds, and the first 10 letters of the Alphabet are A-J. If A=1, B=2, C=3, etc.. then K=11. Jezrien=1=A. Nalan=2=B, etc.. If each Herald Face represents one letter, we'd need a way to combine them for.. the rest of the alphabet. The "K-Z"
Killik he/him Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 27 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: This one was literally the letters K through Z. We have 10 Heralds, and the first 10 letters of the Alphabet are A-J. If A=1, B=2, C=3, etc.. then K=11. Jezrien=1=A. Nalan=2=B, etc.. If each Herald Face represents one letter, we'd need a way to combine them for.. the rest of the alphabet. The "K-Z" He may have used the same coding scheme as he did for The Diagram code. You can find a long and detailed discussion of that here: They finally broke the code on page 17.
King Cole he/him Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Tesh said: Never mind then. That is something different
Tesh Any pronouns Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, King Cole said: That is something different OK. That proves my ability of reading things and not understanding.
King Cole he/him Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, Tesh said: OK. That proves my ability of reading things and not understanding. I knew that already
Tesh Any pronouns Posted September 12, 2017 Posted September 12, 2017 Just now, King Cole said: I knew that already *good natured glare* Well, you should. I really need to reread a lot of books. And pay more attention during the RP...
Tesh Any pronouns Posted September 13, 2017 Posted September 13, 2017 I just finished doing it for tWoK. I'll post my findings once I get on the computer. It's a really long list. And I have a theory... 1
I Am Witless she/her Posted September 13, 2017 Posted September 13, 2017 I'm half-wondering if the numbers associated with each Herald just corresponds to the chapter number. Ex., Jezrien =Jes=1, Shalash =Shash+6. Chapter 1 and 6, or Sixteen. This would be funny, but more in the line of Alcatraz than Stormlight.
King Cole he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Tesh said: I just finished doing it for tWoK. I'll post my findings once I get on the computer. It's a really long list. And I have a theory... Im gonna do WoR tonight
Tesh Any pronouns Posted September 13, 2017 Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, King Cole said: Im gonna do WoR tonight Awww. I wanted to do it. Maybe I'll do it too, just because I can. I also need to make some other lists.
Borio Singaldi he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Author Posted September 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Tesh said: I just finished doing it for tWoK. I'll post my findings once I get on the computer. It's a really long list. And I have a theory... Gah, you beat me to it. Or maybe I could follow the other pattern and see which of us has better results. Which pattern did you use? 1-0 or 0-9? I've been doing 1-0.
King Cole he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Posted September 13, 2017 If you can, pull out WoR and look at the heralds in the epilgue, one of them doesn't line up... Maybe thats our zero Also, I just did WoR, but I didn't convert it to numbers, someone else can do that. I'm gonna post it once I convert it over
King Cole he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Some chapters had double heralds for some reason, don't know how thats gonna screw with the numbers Also, The unknown isn't one of the heralds Prologue-Battar/Battar Part 1 Chapter 1-Paliah/Paliah 2-Talenel/Talenel 3-Shalash/Shalash 4-Ishar/Ishar 5-Chanarach/Chanarach 6-Shalash/Shalash 7-Chanarach/Chanarach 8-Jezrien/Jezrien 9-Nale/Nale 10-Vedel/Vedel 11-Battar/Battar 12-Jezrien/Jezrien Interludes 1-4 Interlude 1-Shalash/Shalash Interlude 2-Vedel/Vedel Interlude 3-Chanarach/Chanarach Interlude 4-Talenel/Talenel Part 2 13-Shalash/Shalash 14-Kalak/Kalak 15-Chanarach/Chanarach 16- Ishar/Ishar 17-Shalash/Shalash 18-Jezrien/Jezrien 19-Nale/Shalash 20-Battar/Jezrien 21-Nale/Talenel 22-Nale/Chanarach 23-Jezrien/Jezrien 24-Shalash/Kalak 25-Jezrien/Chanarach 26-Paliah/Kalak 27-Shalash/Shalash 28-Talenel/Shalash 29-Shalash/Talenel 30-Shalash/Paliah 31-Ishar/Vedel 32-Jezrien/Chanarach 33-Jezrien/Nale 34-Nale/Shalash Interludes 5-8 5-Talenel/Talenel 6-Ishar/Ishar 7-Unknown/ Shallan 8-Nale/Nale Part 3 35-Kalak/Battar 36-Chanarach/Shalash 37-Paliah/Nale 38-Battar/Shallash 39-Nale/Chanarach 40-Vedel/Kalak 41-Vedel/Jezrien 42-Shalash/Shalash 43-Unknown/Paliah 44-Nale/Chanarach 45-Unkown/Vedel 46-Nale/Talenel 47-Shalash/Paliah 48-Chanarach/Vedel 49-Chanarach/Paliah 50-Paliah/Paliah 51-Ishar/Chanarach 52-Shalash/Jezrien 53-Battar/Battar 54-Ishar/Shalash 55-Shallash/Unknown 56-Chanarach/Chanarach 57-Jezrien/Jezrien 58-Nale/Nale Interludes 9-11 9-Nale/Vedal 10-Vedal/Vedal 11-Ishar/Kalak Part 5 59-Unknown/Nale 60-Chaanarach/Paliah 61-Nale/Chanarach 62-Nale/Nale 63-Talenel/Shalash 64-Shalash/Ishar 65-Vedel/Paliah 66-Nale/Talenel 67-Unknown/Ishar 68-Kalak/Paliah 69-Shalash/Jezrien 70-Kalak/Talenel 71-Vedel/Ishar 72-Kalak/Talenel 73-Nale/Nale 74-Paliah/Vedel 75-Vedel/Jezrien Interludes 12-14 12-Ishar/Paliah 13-Battar/Battar 14-Jezrien/Paliah Part 5 76-Shalash/Talenel 77-Chanarach/Paliah 78-Shalash/Ishar 79-Chanarach/Chanarach 80-Jezrien/Jezrien 81-Chanarach/Ishar 82-Nale/Chanarach 83-Shalash/Talenel 84-Jezrien/Jezrien 85-Paliah/Nale 86-Jezrien/Nale 87-Shalash/Jezrien 88-Nale/Shalash 89-Jezrien/Shalash Epilogue Epilogue-Battar/Unknown Edited September 13, 2017 by King Cole 2
Borio Singaldi he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Author Posted September 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, King Cole said: If you can, pull out WoR and look at the heralds in the epilgue, one of them doesn't line up... Maybe thats our zero Oh, that's right! I forgot to mention that! As I was looking through WoK I found a wild card the Ishikk interlude -- a totally unfamiliar face that's not associated with any Herald. It's some smiley guy who looks like he's wearing a mask and a tri-cornered hat. And he keeps on appearing throughout the headings. I honestly don't know what to do about that.
King Cole he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Maybe he is zero... I'm sorry its taking me so long to post all of the heralds, but Im writing this witha broken aarm so I will be going super slow Edited September 13, 2017 by King Cole 1
King Cole he/him Posted September 13, 2017 Posted September 13, 2017 Ok, after 2 hours I finally finished it
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