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I may not be the first person to mention this, but I suspect there might be a pattern of sorts going on in the chapter headings of each Stormlight book. We know from experience with multiple Sanderson books that the epigraphs before the start of the chapters play into the story, but in a very broad sense in that they don't make sense until either the book or even multiple books are completed. This occurred with Mistborn, and I believe that may be the case with the Stormlight Archive with the symbols of the Heralds in the arches at the head of each chapter. I believe there is a deeper meaning to them we have yet to understand, and I want to try to figure it out. Help with this theory would be very much appreciated.

What we know:

  • The ten Heralds each have a number and a Soulcasting Essence dedicated to their name in Vorinism (i.e. the number Jes for Jezrien, which represents 1, or the number Nan for Nale, which represents 2).
  • The Heralds all have known symbols of their faces associated with the symbol of the Knights Radiant, and those faces appear multiple times on each chapter heading. Each time, there are two sets of faces on the archways, sometimes the same face four times and sometimes two different faces occurring twice.
  • There has been a previous example of a cryptic message being hidden in a series of numbers in the Stormlight Archive, that being Taravangian's Diagram message written in a series of numbers that translates into
    Spoiler

    a warning to hold the secret that broke the Knights Radiant.

     

What I'm wondering is: What if those Herald faces (and their associated numbers) are a long list of numbers written as a form of code that extends across either each book or the entire Archive? And if so, what could it translate into? What super important message could we get out of it?

Now, I did find a few flaws with this theory, originally. If the Heraldic numbers go from 1 to 10, wouldn't that be confusing as a code form, since the lettering in codes works in single digits, namely 0 through 9. So what I'm thinking is either we could mark down the implied numbers from each chapter headings as

  1. Jes - 0
  2. Nan - 1
  3. Chach - 2
  4. Vev - 3
  5. Palah - 4
  6. Shash - 5
  7. Betab - 6
  8. Kak - 7
  9. Tanat - 8
  10. Ishi - 9

or

  1. Jes - 1
  2. Nan - 2
  3. Chach - 3
  4. Vev - 4
  5. Palah - 5
  6. Shash - 6
  7. Betab - 7
  8. Kak - 8
  9. Tanat - 9
  10. Ishi - 0

 

Who knows? Maybe it leads to some grand, complicated message with monumental importance to the Stormlight Archive or even the Cosmere as a whole. Or maybe this is all a dud, and there's no secret meaning to the Herald faces in the chapter headings, and I've been wasting my time. Either way, I would love to have some help with figuring this all out, since I don't really have the requisite time to do so. Thanks!

Posted

I don't have the time to do it either... alone. It is an interesting idea though, and would take nerdiness to a new level. If you formed a group of people to team up on this, I would definitely be willing to join and help out.

That said, if you are true, we might spoil the entire SA? Is it worth it...?

Posted
2 hours ago, Firerust said:

since the lettering in codes works in single digits, namely 0 through 9.

This brings up another issue. How are you gonna differentiate between individual and combo numbers in order to get K-Z?

I'm up for a codebreaker session, but if I can't differentiate between the halves(almost) of the alphabet, then we will just have an exorbitantly long string of meaningless numbers.

Posted

Very cool. Y'all have at it and let me know the results. :ph34r:

I would offer assistance but I'm well aware that any interference on my part would only serve to cause confusion in an already confusing matter.

very cool idea though

Posted

I think the heralds have much to do with what is going on in the chapter. Look at my I found Chana and Ishar thread, to see how I found Ishar that way. 

Posted
1 hour ago, The One Who Connects said:

This brings up another issue. How are you gonna differentiate between individual and combo numbers in order to get K-Z?

I'm up for a codebreaker session, but if I can't differentiate between the halves(almost) of the alphabet, then we will just have an exorbitantly long string of meaningless numbers.

Well, to be honest, I don't really understand codebreaking, programming, etc., so I have no idea what "K-Z" means. Perhaps "pattern" would have been a better term for me to use than "code". I just think that with a series of ten one-digit numbers, there might be a pattern to it, but I'm too ignorant to know what.

Posted

Ohhhh, I'm definitely going to go through both books and list what heralds appear at the beginning of each chapter. I'll put that on here when I do.

Posted
19 hours ago, Firerust said:

I have no idea what "K-Z" means.

This one was literally the letters K through Z. We have 10 Heralds, and the first 10 letters of the Alphabet are A-J.

If A=1, B=2, C=3, etc.. then K=11. Jezrien=1=A. Nalan=2=B, etc..

If each Herald Face represents one letter, we'd need a way to combine them for.. the rest of the alphabet. The "K-Z"

Posted
27 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said:

This one was literally the letters K through Z. We have 10 Heralds, and the first 10 letters of the Alphabet are A-J.

If A=1, B=2, C=3, etc.. then K=11. Jezrien=1=A. Nalan=2=B, etc..

If each Herald Face represents one letter, we'd need a way to combine them for.. the rest of the alphabet. The "K-Z"

He may have used the same coding scheme as he did for The Diagram code.  You can find a long and detailed discussion of that here:

They finally broke the code on page 17.

Posted
3 minutes ago, King Cole said:

That is something different 

OK. That proves my ability of reading things and  not understanding. 

Posted
Just now, Tesh said:

OK. That proves my ability of reading things and  not understanding. 

I knew that already :P

Posted
Just now, King Cole said:

I knew that already :P

*good natured glare*

Well, you should.

I really need to reread a lot of books.

And pay more attention during the RP...

:D

Posted

I just finished doing it for tWoK. I'll post my findings once I get on the computer. It's a really long list. And I have a theory... ;)

Posted

I'm half-wondering if the numbers associated with each Herald just corresponds to the chapter number.

Ex., Jezrien =Jes=1, Shalash =Shash+6. Chapter 1 and 6, or Sixteen. This would be funny, but more in the line of Alcatraz than Stormlight.

Posted
1 hour ago, Tesh said:

I just finished doing it for tWoK. I'll post my findings once I get on the computer. It's a really long list. And I have a theory... ;)

Im gonna do WoR tonight

Posted
1 hour ago, King Cole said:

Im gonna do WoR tonight

Awww. I wanted to do it. :D Maybe I'll do it too, just because I can. I also need to make some other lists.

Posted
3 hours ago, Tesh said:

I just finished doing it for tWoK. I'll post my findings once I get on the computer. It's a really long list. And I have a theory... ;)

Gah, you beat me to it. Or maybe I could follow the other pattern and see which of us has better results. Which pattern did you use? 1-0 or 0-9? I've been doing 1-0.

Posted

If you can, pull out WoR and look at the heralds in the epilgue, one of them doesn't line up... Maybe thats our zero

Also, I just did WoR, but I didn't convert it to numbers, someone else can do that. I'm gonna post it once I convert it over

Posted (edited)

Some chapters had double heralds for some reason, don't know how thats gonna screw with the numbers

Also, The unknown isn't one of the heralds

Prologue-Battar/Battar


Part 1

Chapter 1-Paliah/Paliah

2-Talenel/Talenel

3-Shalash/Shalash

4-Ishar/Ishar

5-Chanarach/Chanarach

6-Shalash/Shalash

7-Chanarach/Chanarach

8-Jezrien/Jezrien

9-Nale/Nale

10-Vedel/Vedel

11-Battar/Battar

12-Jezrien/Jezrien


Interludes 1-4

Interlude 1-Shalash/Shalash

Interlude 2-Vedel/Vedel

Interlude 3-Chanarach/Chanarach

Interlude 4-Talenel/Talenel


Part 2

13-Shalash/Shalash

14-Kalak/Kalak

15-Chanarach/Chanarach

16- Ishar/Ishar

17-Shalash/Shalash

18-Jezrien/Jezrien

19-Nale/Shalash

20-Battar/Jezrien

21-Nale/Talenel

22-Nale/Chanarach

23-Jezrien/Jezrien

24-Shalash/Kalak

25-Jezrien/Chanarach

26-Paliah/Kalak

27-Shalash/Shalash

28-Talenel/Shalash

29-Shalash/Talenel

30-Shalash/Paliah

31-Ishar/Vedel

32-Jezrien/Chanarach

33-Jezrien/Nale

34-Nale/Shalash


Interludes 5-8

5-Talenel/Talenel

6-Ishar/Ishar

7-Unknown/ Shallan

8-Nale/Nale


Part 3

35-Kalak/Battar

36-Chanarach/Shalash

37-Paliah/Nale

38-Battar/Shallash

39-Nale/Chanarach

40-Vedel/Kalak

41-Vedel/Jezrien

42-Shalash/Shalash

43-Unknown/Paliah

44-Nale/Chanarach

45-Unkown/Vedel

46-Nale/Talenel

47-Shalash/Paliah

48-Chanarach/Vedel

49-Chanarach/Paliah

50-Paliah/Paliah

51-Ishar/Chanarach

52-Shalash/Jezrien

53-Battar/Battar

54-Ishar/Shalash

55-Shallash/Unknown

56-Chanarach/Chanarach

57-Jezrien/Jezrien

58-Nale/Nale


Interludes 9-11

9-Nale/Vedal

10-Vedal/Vedal

11-Ishar/Kalak


Part 5

59-Unknown/Nale

60-Chaanarach/Paliah

61-Nale/Chanarach

62-Nale/Nale

63-Talenel/Shalash

64-Shalash/Ishar

65-Vedel/Paliah

66-Nale/Talenel

67-Unknown/Ishar

68-Kalak/Paliah

69-Shalash/Jezrien

70-Kalak/Talenel

71-Vedel/Ishar

72-Kalak/Talenel

73-Nale/Nale

74-Paliah/Vedel

75-Vedel/Jezrien


Interludes 12-14

12-Ishar/Paliah

13-Battar/Battar

14-Jezrien/Paliah


Part 5

76-Shalash/Talenel

77-Chanarach/Paliah

78-Shalash/Ishar

79-Chanarach/Chanarach

80-Jezrien/Jezrien

81-Chanarach/Ishar

82-Nale/Chanarach

83-Shalash/Talenel

84-Jezrien/Jezrien

85-Paliah/Nale

86-Jezrien/Nale

87-Shalash/Jezrien

88-Nale/Shalash

89-Jezrien/Shalash


Epilogue

Epilogue-Battar/Unknown

Edited by King Cole
Posted
4 minutes ago, King Cole said:

If you can, pull out WoR and look at the heralds in the epilgue, one of them doesn't line up... Maybe thats our zero

Oh, that's right! I forgot to mention that! As I was looking through WoK I found a wild card the Ishikk interlude -- a totally unfamiliar face that's not associated with any Herald. It's some smiley guy who looks like he's wearing a mask and a tri-cornered hat. And he keeps on appearing throughout the headings. I honestly don't know what to do about that.

Posted (edited)

Maybe he is zero...

I'm sorry its taking me so long to post all of the heralds, but Im writing this witha broken aarm so I will be going super slow

Edited by King Cole
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