Goldencompounder Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) So my theory of the origin of hoid is. First we will go back to the list of partinel- an unpublished cosmere book, a prequel to the dragonsteel main sequence- there is this man named midius, and his master/teacher is named hoid. As we know from the letter "And do you no longer hide behind the name of your old master?" We can assume that the hoid we know is "hiding behind the name of his old master" midius' master is named hoid. So midius is the hoid we know today. In mistborn: secret history, hoid refers to himself as “Who are you?” Kelsier said. “I?” the man said. “I am a drifter. A miscreant. The flame’s last breath, made of smoke at its passing." The man is hoid. But what does he mean by "the flame's last breath, made of smoke at it's passing" I believe that this "flame" is adonalsium. Before I continue I must explain the background of the liar of partinel: the lore is that they had gods, then they died. Then the fain life (white fuz that grows on everything. It is okay to breath in, but if you eat it it is poisonous and you will die. There are places called trune circles, Where people can live and fane won't come in) grew from their bodies. So I am thinking that midius is slightly different from hoid. I am thinking that midius took up the power of adonalsium saved yolen. Then the 16 came and disagreed with him. “Aaah . . .” Fuzz said softly. “I had thought that when he rejected the rest of us, he would stop interfering” (Fuzz is preservation) “I should know better than to trust an implication from him. Half the time you can’t trust his outright promises” So midius took up the power of adonalsium. Then the 16 came, had a disagreement with him. Made him promise something. Then he broke his promise, then the 16 were forced to shatter him. The 16 got his powers, but a form of cognitive shadow was left over. This cognitive shadow is the hoid we know. And now hoid is possibly trying to reform adonalsium. And get his powers back. Edited August 28, 2017 by Goldencompounder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Brandon has said Hoid was offered one of the 16 shards by the people that killed Uncle Andy. But he said no. So i doubt he was Uncle Andy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Cole Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Thanatos said: Brandon has said Hoid was offered one of the 16 shards by the people that killed Uncle Andy. But he said no. So i doubt he was Uncle Andy. Yeah, wasn't it Ati? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightlord M. Alhstrom Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I always thought Adonalsium was Uncle Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Cole Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 No Ati was the one who offered hoid the shard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzik Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 @Lord Maelstrom, yes. Uncle Andy is adonalsium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 I Once knew someone named uncle Andy. He wasn't really my uncle. And I don't think his name was Andy either. If you ever meet him...don't accept any drinks from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Yeah not sure who offered a shard to Hoid. Dont think it was in the WoB i read. But if it was Ati then ill lock that knowledge away. And John203 is right. Uncle Andy is Adonalsium, my lil bro got sick of saying Adonalsium all the time in Cosmere talks so he shortened it to Uncle Andy. Easier to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, Thanatos said: Yeah not sure who offered a shard to Hoid. Dont think it was in the WoB i read. But if it was Ati then ill lock that knowledge away. As far as I'm aware we know he was offered a shard, presumably by the group that became the Vessels and declined. Which Shard, and under what circumstances weren't divulged. If anyone's got more than that I'd love to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) Only that it wasn't one we've seen (as of Jan 16) Quote THE ONLY JOE Was Hoid offered one of the Shards we know about. BRANDON SANDERSON You know, I can't remember which Shard I've shown you, Wait, no I haven't shown you that one. And that if he was tempted by one it would be Endowment Quote QUESTION If Hoid were tempted by a Shard, which one would it be? BRANDON SANDERSON Endowment. Quote Questioner: There’s a WoB on Theoryland that if Hoid was tempted by a Shard he’d be Endowment. Why is that? Brandon: There’s a word on Theoryland that if he was tempted by a shard it’d be Endowment? Things in his past, that make sense. Will make sense once you know him more. Incidentally i did a silly theory on this here some time ago Edited August 29, 2017 by Extesian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Yup there the WoB i saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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