JoyBlu she/her Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 @CalderisThank you so much for this explanation. All sorts of things are coming together in my head. I think my brain is about to burst. I love these books!!!
Nymeros Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 10 hours ago, Calderis said: The eye colors are tied to the blades themselves. So each lighteyes eye color originates from the alteration of sDNA from whoever in their bloodline first picked up a blade and gained that particular type. Moash's eyes turned tan, so his Blade was most likely a Stoneward Spren. Blue would be Windrunner, red could be Dustbringer or Lightweaver. Is Heliodor orange? And which order is it associated with? Anyways, my point is that any eye color that can be tied to the gemstones associated with each order should be a natural result of the phenomenon that creates lighteyes from deadblades. Moash's eyes turned tan because they were initially dark brown (and parallelisms!). Dalinar's eyes didn't change color when he bonded a new sword and neither did Sadeas' or Renarin's. There's already such a variety of eye colors. Any relation to the colors of gemstones seems....pointless? Humans existed before surgebinding. 1
Calderis he/him Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, Nymeros said: Moash's eyes turned tan because they were initially dark brown (and parallelisms!). Dalinar's eyes didn't change color when he bonded a new sword and neither did Sadeas' or Renarin's. There's already such a variety of eye colors. Any relation to the colors of gemstones seems....pointless? Humans existed before surgebinding. The change doesn't effect lighteyes. They've already been changed. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1133#81 Quote QUESTION My question has to do with the color of Shallan’s eyes currently, because we’ve noticed over the books that Kaladin’s eyes, as he’s continued to use his Surge, changed to lighter and lighter blue. Whereas one could argue that Shallan is farther in her Ideals than Kaladin is, yet her eyes have not changed at all. BRANDON SANDERSON Right, ‘cause they were already light. QUESTION ‘Cause they were already light? So it only affects lightness or darkness in the eyes, not necessarily any other color? BRANDON SANDERSON It’s not like it is-- It’s not like it’s saying “Light minus 50%”. QUESTION It’s not like Honor is blue and-- BRANDON SANDERSON No. It is not. It is just kind of the way that the changes the Stormlight is making the body and certain people are already descended from people who had repeated, over time, changes by the body which stopped physically… That’s not to say that all lighteyes that’s where they came from. There are some that are natural mutations. 1
Nymeros Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 So you believe that Moashs eyes (which were retconned from green to brown) are the result of a coincidence? How would darkeyes have the same eyes colors available as lighteyes if the colors originate from magic? Truly I don't understand your theory.
Calderis he/him Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Nymeros said: So you believe that Moashs eyes (which were retconned from green to brown) are the result of a coincidence? How would darkeyes have the same eyes colors available as lighteyes if the colors originate from magic? Truly I don't understand your theory. Yes it is coincidence. Lighteyes eye colors all coincidence with gem colors. Yellow, green, orange, tan(amber), blue, red, violet, grey. That's not coincidence. Edit: we've had threads before that were using eye color to track the Kholin eye colors to see what blades were originally bonded into their family lines. This isn't my theory. Edited September 3, 2017 by Calderis
Nymeros Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 So does every darkeyes that we've seen so far as well as...... every human? Again, this seems like a pointless association. Could you clarify you theory?
Calderis he/him Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 10 minutes ago, Nymeros said: So does every darkeyes that we've seen so far as well as...... every human? Again, this seems like a pointless association. Could you clarify you theory? Again it's not my theory. And it's not universal. The only non-standard dark color we've seen is violet, and that can actually occur naturally even if it is exceedingly rare. You've seen the one above, there's also these two. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1052#26 Quote QUESTION Is it the power of the bond between humans and spren, the Nahel bond, or from the swords—the existing Shardblades—that causes the eyes to turn light? BRANDON SANDERSON Uh ... yes. QUESTION Does each specific order have their own spren that they would bond? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes. Each order has a spren that is distinctive. All Windrunners come from wind— from honorspren. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1088#56 Quote ARGENT Will a Surgebinder's eye color change when they Surgebind or have a Blade... Is the color of their eyes corresponding to their Order? So Windrunners would do blue, and... BRANDON SANDERSON Yes. ARGENT So each Order does a different eye color? BRANDON SANDERSON Each Order does indeed get a different eye color. So each orders eyes changed according to the color associated with their order. The Shardblades are responsible for (the majority of) light eyes, and those with light eyes color doesn't change. I wasn't looking to get into this right now. I'm done for the night with anything that I actually have to dig for. 1
Nymeros Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 Ah.....so it was just a pointless association. Got it. i still don't believe dead shard blades change eyes along the lines of orders (they don't grant surges or a true nahel bond so....eh). Time will tell. 1
Mason Wheeler Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 Anyone know when the next chapters come up? I thought it was this time last Tuesday.
Mason Wheeler Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 ...and of course, immediately after I post that, the chapters show up!
Mason Wheeler Posted September 5, 2017 Posted September 5, 2017 OK, got the new Stormcast recorded. It'll probably be up tonight or tomorrow morning, once I've had time to edit it. But this was fun! We get to see Dalinar and Navani married, with the Stormfather himself officiating, and two chapters of Kaladin POV, with him returning to an Everstorm-ravaged Hearthstone and being reunited with his parents... and with Brightlord Roshone. Nothing good can possibly come of that last bit.
Steve-son-son-Charles Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 On 8/22/2017 at 1:33 PM, king of nowhere said: I'm also very curious about the source of gavilar's knowledge. I doubt odium sent him visions, if he did he could have contacted venli similarly. but then, maybe he did. And given his conquering, he was certainly attuned to odium enough. Huh. In fact the idea that gavilar's visions actually came from odium actually makes a lot of sense. it would be a huge coincidence if dalinar got visions from honor just shortly after his brother got similar, but warped, visions from odium, but it's the kind of curveball brandon throws at us. it's not like he never had a shard interfere with profecy before... I've been thinking bout this as well. I do believe that Gavilar had visions, but I do not believe they are the same ones Dalinar received. Which made me consider that they may not have originated from the same person / entity (but then from whom?), or perhaps more likely, Odium found a way to corrupt the visions Galivar received, given the synergy in Galivar's actions and Odium's (presumed) end game.
Calderis he/him Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 43 minutes ago, Steve-son-son-Charles said: I've been thinking bout this as well. I do believe that Gavilar had visions, but I do not believe they are the same ones Dalinar received. Which made me consider that they may not have originated from the same person / entity (but then from whom?), or perhaps more likely, Odium found a way to corrupt the visions Galivar received, given the synergy in Galivar's actions and Odium's (presumed) end game. We know that Gavilar's visions were the same. Quote Questioner The visions Dalinar gets in WoK always struck me as odd - you don't just look at the past, you are able to act within this experience. Now we know that Gavilar was also on the way to being a Bondsmith - was he acting in a different way? Were the visions only basically the same but different in the end depending on the personal reactions? Is this something like a test? Brandon Sanderson He did see the same visions. They were the same thing. But... I will say that his reaction to them were very different from Dalinar's reactions to them. Anyway it was difficult for the Stormfather without a bond to determine/to tell the difference between very easily. When Spren are bonded, they gain a lot more ability to understand the world around then, so you'll find out soon more stuff about this in the third book.
Steve-son-son-Charles Posted September 16, 2017 Posted September 16, 2017 43 minutes ago, Calderis said: We know that Gavilar's visions were the same. Perhaps to further clarify my point on the corruption, regardless if the visions were the same (or not), at some point Odium, or someone from Team Odium, or even the dark void sphere(s) in Galivar's possession could have corrupted his interpretation in a favourable direction that Odium wanted.
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