FiveLate Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Hoid knew the Heralds either from prior Desolations or prior to the Oathpact. From WOK: Quote “What is it we value?” Wit whispered. “Innovation. Originality. Novelty. But most importantly … timeliness. I fear you may be too late, my confused, unfortunate friend.” When Taln appears, Wit refers to him as "my confused, unfortunate friend" This is not part of a conversation any longer at this point, but more along the lines of something muttered to himself, so it is not an act for others. His wording lacks its usual satire and charm. This implies that he either spent a lot of time during one of the prior Desolations on Roshar in Talns company, or that he knew him prior to the Oathpact. Possibly as far back as Yolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald101 he/him Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 I think you're reading into this too much. Surely Hoid knows who he is and the significance of his appearance, but it's not beyond reason to assume he called Taln "my confused unfortunate friend" because he empathizes with Taln's situation and not because they actually know each other. That was what I immediately assumed when I first read the passage. It's possible that Hoid does indeed know him, considering how long Hoid's been alive and how little we understand him, I just don't think that phrase implies anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveLate Posted August 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 It is they way he says it that makes me think it. The wording seems off from the examples we have of his normal speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) Hoid also refers to Kelsier as 'friend' in Secret History, just before he (cognitively) beats him bloody. And while he recognizes Kelsier, the reverse is most certainly not true at this point in time. And he calls Kaladin 'my young friend' the first time they meet in Way of Kings. Calling people he doesn't intimately know 'friend' is well within Hoid's character so we shouldn't read too much into what he says to Taln. Edited August 6, 2017 by Weltall 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't read too much into it. However, it is likely that Hoid has met the Heralds before. He is interested in the events on Roshar, and I guess that he was there during at least some of the Desolations. Saying that he knows the Heralds would be a stretch though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted August 6, 2017 Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 I must agree with all that has been stated above. Hoid has been shone to sympathize and empathize it would not be a stretch to say that that might be what is happening here. As for knowing the heralds he has always tried to keep a low profile if he was so intimately involved with the Herald's then Odium might know that he was there and his ability to keep a low profile would disappear. He may well have been present at one or more of the desolations due to his age, but I do not think that he was friend of the herald's. As was also stated earlier the wording is most probably just in line with his character as he has used it before to refer to people who had never before met him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podman Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 I agree. At the same time, however, at the end of WoR he tells Jasnah, "'Oh,' Wit said, 'I don't mean the Almighty. Tanavast was a fine enough fellow-bought me drinks once-but he was not God.'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Oh he knew the shards they are all from Yolen He would have known Tavanast just not necessarily the heralds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Heres a question. How does Hoid hide from Odium? Is it because Hoid is spiritually blind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Perhaps the fact that he moves so quickly and frequently from place to place allows him to fly under Odium's radar. His focus is so big picture that Hoid's ability to avoid the spot light makes him virtually invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveLate Posted August 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 @Thanatos I think Hoid is just below Odium's interest at the present. He has many other shards to concern himself with first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Im thinking it may have something to do with him being spirit blind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian he/him Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Hoid can suppress methods of finding investiture Quote Q: Why is Hoid’s color aura from his Breaths not noticed by anyone on Roshar? Are the characters just not used to noticing that sort of thing, or does he not have one? A: There are a mixture of reasons. Not the least is Hoid's control over investiture. Q: Would someone with breath be able to notice his aura on Roshar? E.g. Vasher? A: Various methods of detecting investiture would still work, depending on how good a job Hoid is doing of suppressing his. Without him shining out as a highly invested individual Odium would have no way to find him I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking he/him Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 He also knows better than to draw Odium's focus.Odium is focused on the big players by avoiding big moves he has managed I think to remain invisible to odium who has many different parties to focus on at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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