Hemalurgy outside Scadrial.

[Calderis he/him]

Presented for your consideration. 

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1168#18

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QUESTION

Someone else asked if we would see Hemalurgy somewhere other than Scadrial,

BRANDON SANDERSON

Brandon's answer? We already have. It's not meant to be obvious though so we probably won't recognize it.

So we've already seen someone spiked outside of Scadrial... 

Is this just the elusive WalDo? Or do we need to start looking for other oddities?

Edit: and another for completeness, even though it doesn't add anything. 

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1179#13

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QUESTION

What about Hemalurgy in other worlds other than Mistborn?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Yes. (I again asked with the exception of Kandra, have seen Hemalurgy such as people who may have been spiked. He repeated "You have seen Hemalurgy in other worlds." (In other words he is tight-lipped about Kandra part - neither yes or no)

 

Edited August 3, 2017 by Calderis

[Podman]

Nalthis, I think. Think about it- the monks have mysterious rituals that suddenly make them slightly insane and incredibly powerful? I think the bones are somehow spiking them, or something. Just an idea.

[Calderis he/him]

@podman36 did you mean the Dahkor monk's on Sel? That's it's own magic system. 

If you did mean Nalthis, can you clarify? 

[Ammanas]

7 minutes ago, Calderis said:

@podman36 did you mean the Dahkor monk's on Sel? That's it's own magic system. 

If you did mean Nalthis, can you clarify? 

He probably means Roshar. My theory on Tezim=Dahkor monk is catching on. Bwa-hah-hah!

[Oversleep]

I think there actually are several worldhopping kandra apart from WalDo, I'm almost sure.

Edited August 3, 2017 by Oversleep

[Calderis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

I think there actually are several worldhopping kandra apart from WalDo, I'm almost sure.

I can see that. With something trying to limit his knowledge, Harmony using them to scout beyond Scadrial makes a lot of sense. 

Conversely, if one wanted to get away similar to another Kandra we've seen, off world would be a tempting option. 

[Shadowmancer he/him]

I also heard Brandon confirm we've seen hemalurgy, but that it wasn't obvious and we probably wouldn't find it even if we searched. So likely there are no visible spikes, and no grand abilities manifested. But there are probably enough clues that when he reveals it we'll all go, "Oh yeah!"

So, what's one of these "Oh yeah!" ideas? Where we can see someone doing something they probably shouldn't be able to do, even if only subtly?

[Oversleep]

1 hour ago, Calderis said:

I can see that. With something trying to limit his knowledge, Harmony using them to scout beyond Scadrial makes a lot of sense.

I have actually found three WoBs:

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Has TenSoon ever left Scadrial?

Brandon Sanderson

More RAFO. I believe I have said there are Kandra on other worlds, but I have not said if one was TenSoon.

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Are there kandra hiding in any of your books, besides the Mistborn ones?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes there are! [smugly] yes there are...

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Is OreSeur is a member of the same species a worldjumper?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, there are several kandra who are worldhoppers.They are usually homebodies, but there are some who have gone off.

source

More than I remembered, huh.

[Fezzik]

Mraize has a hemalurgic spike in his trophy room. Shallan describes it as a hairpin in a jar of blood.

[Calderis he/him]

4 minutes ago, john203 said:

Mraize has a hemalurgic spike in his trophy room. Shallan describes it as a hairpin in a jar of blood.

They were in blood? I remember people theorizing that these are hemalurgic spikes, but I think that if they were stored in blood that would remove all doubts. 

I have to look that up. 

[Agent34]

5 minutes ago, Calderis said:

They were in blood? I remember people theorizing that these are hemalurgic spikes, but I think that if they were stored in blood that would remove all doubts. 

I have to look that up. 

I seem to recall them being described as thick hairpins, no mention of blood.

[Calderis he/him]

7 minutes ago, Agent34 said:

I seem to recall them being described as thick hairpins, no mention of blood.

That's what I thought too. 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

Could Denth be spiked? His super-speed has to come from somewhere. And he could certainly be seen as unhinged.

Edited August 4, 2017 by Toaster Retribution

[Agent34]

16 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Could Denth be spiked? His super-speed has to come from somewhere. And he could certainly be seen as unhinged.

His speed is likely due to him being Returned.

[Nathrangking he/him]

Denth being returned would be most likely to explain his great speed. His rage was most probably what it appears to be on the surface an anger against Vasher for what he did to Sheshara.

Edited August 4, 2017 by Nathrangking

[aemetha he/him]

The general reluctance of kandra to kill humans might be a good indicator of who may be kandra. Obviously it's not binding like it was under the contract, but there are indications that their reluctance seems to persist with a few notable exceptions. Looking for pacifists might be a good avenue for exploration.

[Solant he/him]

I still have my theory about Aesudan. I won't go into it to save from being redundant, but it's in the other thread if anyone is interested. I don't have any real evidence to back it up, she just feels suspicious to me.

[Ciridae]

19 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Could Denth be spiked? His super-speed has to come from somewhere. And he could certainly be seen as unhinged.

Yeah I think Death's speed was mentioned in the annotations as a result of him being Returned. But Tonk Fah... When talking to Thame in chapter 22:

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Tonk Fah cracked his knuckles. Vivienna glanced at him, suddenly noticing that Tonk Fah seemed more...dangerous. The idle, overweight man who liked to nap had vanished. In his place was a thug with sleeves rolled up, showing off muscles that bulged impressively.

Maybe he's slightly tapping strength here. Suddenly bulging muscles. Constantly needing to rest during the day, like inquisitors. Urges to torture animals. In company of a known worldhopper. I think Tonk Fah is the most likely candidate.

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QUESTION

Has Denth ever been to Scadrial?

BRANDON SANDERSON

So Scadrial is one of the planets that’s easier to get to, in Cosmere terms. I will say this: he did not travel the Cosmere widely. But Scadrial is one of the easier ones to get to - he spent a lot of time on Roshar, and did not travel widely.

 

Edited August 5, 2017 by Ciridae

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

3 hours ago, Ciridae said:

Yeah I think Death's speed was mentioned in the annotations as a result of him being Returned. But Tonk Fah... When talking to Thame in chapter 22:

Maybe he's slightly tapping strength here. Suddenly bulging muscles. Constantly needing to rest during the day, like inquisitors. Urges to torture animals. In company of a known worldhopper. I think Tonk Fah is the most likely candidate.

 

I agree with Tonk being a likely candidate for spikes, but I still dont get the Denth thing. Did Vasher or Lightsong have perks from being Returned?

[Calderis he/him]

2 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said:

I agree with Tonk being a likely candidate for spikes, but I still dont get the Denth thing. Did Vasher or Lightsong have perks from being Returned?

Yes. Even with his Breath suppressed, Vasher was stronger, faster, and healthier than normal. 

The only reason Lightsong didn't benefit noticeably is because he had no training in how to fight. 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

7 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Yes. Even with his Breath suppressed, Vasher was stronger, faster, and healthier than normal. 

The only reason Lightsong didn't benefit noticeably is because he had no training in how to fight. 

Good to know. My knowledge on Returned and Awakening is pretty bad.

[Calderis he/him]

Just now, Toaster Retribution said:

Good to know. My knowledge on Returned and Awakening is pretty bad.

I'd never have caught it without reading the annotations. It's not really apparent in the book. 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

Just now, Calderis said:

I'd never have caught it without reading the annotations. It's not really apparent in the book. 

I really need to reread those.

[Brightlord M. Alhstrom he/him]

Yea, Tonk was actually my first thought when thinking of a spiked individual outside Scadrial. And that passage about the bulging muscle makes it especially suspicious. However, just one thing to keep in mind when hunting spiked individuals: On Scadrial, spiked individuals often thought they were insane, or "heard voices". That might have changed now that Harmony is around, but I'm not sure. Can anyone think of individuals who seem to have conversations with themselves, or show any other signs of hearing voices or insanity?

Edit: This made me think a little, and I actually came up with a theory: 

 

Edited August 5, 2017 by Lord Maelstrom

[Oversleep]

Poor Ruin. Somebody goes insane and everyone starts suspecting Hemalurgy. The guy gets so much bad rep.

Edited August 5, 2017 by Oversleep