Kered he/him Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 I did a quick site search, and couldn't come up with anything that wasn't concrete. How in the name of Kelek did Galladon worldhop from Sel, according to Khriss it's suppose to be very dangerous. The only answer I could come up with is that Galladon did what we saw Hoid do and use the shardpool. The only doubt I have about this tiny theory is that Hoid probably has a lot of failsafes and protection when worldhopping, something that Galladon wouldn't have access to as he is not as experienced as Hoid is. Maybe the 17th Shard were the ones that helped Galladon out upon recruiting him? The 17th searching out for members on the planets that Hoid's been on so this helps them as well as Galladon. Thoughts?
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Honestlh, we really have no idea how Galladon or Hoid were able to worldhop to and from Sel. Especially with the Dor raging around in the CR. Anything that we could talk about it now would just be pure speculation. 1
Ammanas Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) I figured that since he was part of that group, the 17th shard, that they pooled their resources and discovered a safe way to do it. Like StrikerEZ said only guesses as to specifics at this point. Maybe Pagerunner has something? Edited June 23, 2017 by Ammanas 1
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ammanas said: I figured that since he was part of that group, the 17th shard, that they pooled their resources and discovered a safe way to do it. Like StrikerEZ said only guesses as to specifics at this point. Maybe @Pagerunner has something? I went ahead and tagged him for you, just to make sure he sees this. Mainly because I'm not too great at this theorizing stuff.
Yuoaman Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 I imagine there are safe "roads" through the Cognitive Realm on Sel that require a seasoned worldhopper to guide you through, but dumb luck could also play a role in it.
Storming Radiant he/him Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) There are also the IRE. Do we know how they got out of Sel? Edited June 23, 2017 by Storming Radiant
+Extesian he/him Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Maybe Hoid took him after failing to become Elantrian.
Jonathon Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Extesian said: Maybe Hoid took him after failing to become Elantrian. Do you mean as a hostage type situation? Or more of a 'here let me help you out' kind of thing? Either way I find this unlikely because the scene where Hoid jumps into the shardpool at the end of Elantris mentions nothing about Galladon, only the skaze he was talking too. The only way that Hoid could have taken him is if he had Galladon go through the shardpool first and then the scene with the Skaze happened, or if he came back to Sel after originally leaving which I also find unlikely due to the danger that the CR presents. What likely happened is that the 17th sharders helped Galladon after he joined, although when we see Galladon in SA, that is admittedly a long time after the events of Elantris, so who knows what happened by then. With the knowledge that there will be a couple more Elantris books that could mean that somehow they reformed the splintered shards or something to make the cognitive realm easier to traverse, couldn't it?
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Jonathon said: With the knowledge that there will be a couple more Elantris books that could mean that somehow they reformed the splintered shards or something to make the cognitive realm easier to traverse, couldn't it? I dont remember exactly, but didnt Arcanum Unbounded say that travelling from Sel was hard? Because in that case, it wont be solved in the Elantris sequels, since AUs essays take place during Mistborn Era 2, I think. If it isnt fixed by then, it will not get fixed in the sequels. Btw, this Hoid scene with the shardpool, is that in the Elantris book? Cause I dont remember it. 1
Sanderson-Savant Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 @Toaster Retribution It isn't in the original copies, but it can be found, I believe in the 10th aniversary and Leatherbound, after the deleted scenes I think. 1
GildedBear Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 Keep in mind that dangerous and difficult are not the same thing as impossible. An example from the real world: putting yourself in the middle of a shark feeding frenzy is both difficult and dangerous, but with scuba gear and a shark cage it is very possible to do. We know that there are people who know how to make it through the Sel CR (Hoid and the Ire at the very least). (some of?) The Ire are even elantrians so perhaps some of them left notes of their experiments. But if not, Galladon and Raoden had been actively researching the Dor and Aondor at the end of Elantris I see little reason to think that they stopped.
Calderis he/him Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, FiveLate said: Timeline has Elantris taking place before Final Empire, so no on the Ire. We have no idea how long the Ire have existed. We can't exclude the idea of the oldest of them being pre-chasm just because we didn't see them until Mistborn era 1.
kenod Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Perhaps through AonDor? I'm not sure about the power requirements, but he could theoretically have used Aon Tia to go to a different world with a shardpool, or used an Aon that allows travel between realms to travel to the cognitive, but also to the edge of the Dor storm.
nervousnerd he/him Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 We also don't know what dangerous means. Does that mean it could kill you? Hoid says that he doesn't think a shardblade could kill him so perhaps the cognitive realm on Sel could not either.
+Extesian he/him Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 @Calderis, @FiveLate it was from the Chicago AU signing, this is the transcription Quote QUESTION Not really sure what the question exactly is, but it relates to the chasm and breaking AonDor. Seems like the question was written in the book? BRANDON SANDERSON Some are from before, some are from after. They are not all the same age. Source And here is where @GildedBear confirmed the question.
+Extesian he/him Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 22 minutes ago, FiveLate said: @Extesian thanks I still haven got the keyword searching quite figured out.....must be something like Boolean algebra. No worries, that one was unsearchable, the transcriber couldn't make out the question so the rest was almost meaningless. But I remembered the topic coming up recently and GildedBear saving the day!
Pagerunner he/him Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 On 6/23/2017 at 0:59 AM, StrikerEZ said: I went ahead and tagged him for you, just to make sure he sees this. Mainly because I'm not too great at this theorizing stuff. Fyi, tagging in quotes doesn't ping people. Which must be on purpose. But I don't recall anything that hasn't already been said. Khriss has also been to Sel, since Elantris has an Ars Arcanum. I would guess that anyone sufficiently prepared could make it through the Selish CR. The question in my mind is: did Galladon worldhop before joining the Seventeenth Shard? Or did they come to him (you can pick the blue aon or the red aon)?
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 25 minutes ago, Pagerunner said: Fyi, tagging in quotes doesn't ping people. Which must be on purpose. But I don't recall anything that hasn't already been said. Khriss has also been to Sel, since Elantris has an Ars Arcanum. I would guess that anyone sufficiently prepared could make it through the Selish CR. The question in my mind is: did Galladon worldhop before joining the Seventeenth Shard? Or did they come to him (you can pick the blue aon or the red aon)? Oh...I didn't even realize. Whoops. Anyway, I don't have much else to say about this topic either, except that I figure that we'll find out whether Galladon left Sel before or after he was recruited into the Seventeenth Shard later. Honestly, at this point, I think it's just too early to tell.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) On 6/22/2017 at 10:53 PM, Kered said: How in the name of Kelek did Galladon worldhop from Sel, according to Khriss it's suppose to be very dangerous. It would depend on when she said it was dangerous, as the Book of Elantris happens at some point in the 400 years leading up to Rashek ascending and creating TFE. That's 1,000-1,400 years right there for something to have changed on Sel before reaching Vin/Kelsier. Then another 300+ to reach SA, and now anything could have changed. Edited June 26, 2017 by The One Who Connects 1
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