Sami she/her Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 I have a question for any of you pros out there who might know the answer. Can someone bond with multiple blades at once? Do honorblades turn your eyes light, and are there specific colours assigned to each order or something like that? Also where did we learn all the different orders of the Knight Radiants and all the different Heralds? I saw people talking about them but I couldn't find them anywhere in the book. There are probably other threads discussing this, but I couldn't find them so I thought I'd just ask it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LH1407 Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 If I remember correctly: Yes, you can bond with multiple blades at once. Yes, Honourblades turn your eyes light and yes there are specific colours I'm not very knowledgeable on cosmere stuff and I may be remembering wrong so it would be nice if someone else could confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sami she/her Posted June 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 if you can bond with multiple blades at once does that mean you have a selection of blades to choose from, and if you bond to multiple honour-blades does that mean you can be a sort of 'twinborn-surgebinder' thingy? Another question: do the abilities that honorblades grant you only work if you summon the blades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numuhukumakiaki'aialunamor Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Yeah you can bond multiple blades at once and I believe the colors are listed in the ars arcannum in the chart for the ten essences but I'm not positive. For the Heralds, Szeth mentions their names in his prelude and I believe most of them are mentioned in the prelude to the SA. As for surge binding when you don't have your blade, the answer is yes. Szeth does this in his prelude while killing guards on the way to gavilars room. For some reason though, I thought that you needed to have it summoned to surge bind but just re read the prelude about a week ago and caught this. Im not positive on the other questions so I figured I would avoid sharing false ideas (assuming the above is correct). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Edgedancer81 said: if you can bond with multiple blades at once does that mean you have a selection of blades to choose from, and if you bond to multiple honour-blades does that mean you can be a sort of 'twinborn-surgebinder' thingy? Another question: do the abilities that honorblades grant you only work if you summon the blades? You could theoretically hold all 10 Honorblades, never summon them, and use all of the surges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 4 hours ago, Calderis said: You could theoretically hold all 10 Honorblades, never summon them, and use all of the surges. You would only need five Honorblades at minium to be able to bind all ten surges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Spoolofwhool said: You would only need five Honorblades at minium to be able to bind all ten surges. Yeah, I just meant there's nothing stopping it. Beyond obtaining them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sami she/her Posted June 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Oh one more thing...... Does Szeth still have Surgebinding powers? because now instead of an honorblade he has Nightblood, but if I recall correctly in Edgedancer he still had Surges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness he/him Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Most likely Szeth cannot use surges since he can't draw in stormlight... Yet. But even if he could, they probably wouldn't be the same surges we were used to in the first 2 books (I cant find the WoB but I have dim memories of someone asking if Nightblood would grant Szeth surges, and Brandon said something like 'bonding Nightblood on Roshar would grant powers, but they may not be the ones you're familiar with'). Dont quote me on that though since I cant find the WoB. Here's a different one haha Interview: Oct 9th, 2015 Shadows of Self - San Francisco Question I was wondering, is Nightblood a Shardblade? Brandon Sanderson Nightblood is an attempt by someone who didn’t know how Shardblades were made to create a Shardblade using a different magic system. Question If Nightblood feeds on Breath, but Szeth doesn’t have it, will it feed on Stormlight? Brandon Sanderson Nightblood can feed off Stormlight, but Szeth can't draw in Stormlight right now. So Szeth better not draw that sword, for a while at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 25 minutes ago, Darkness said: Most likely Szeth cannot use surges since he can't draw in stormlight... Yet. But even if he could, they probably wouldn't be the same surges we were used to in the first 2 books (I cant find the WoB but I have dim memories of someone asking if Nightblood would grant Szeth surges, and Brandon said something like 'bonding Nightblood on Roshar would grant powers, but they may not be the ones you're familiar with'). Dont quote me on that though since I cant find the WoB. Here's a different one haha Hide contents Interview: Oct 9th, 2015 Shadows of Self - San Francisco Question I was wondering, is Nightblood a Shardblade? Brandon Sanderson Nightblood is an attempt by someone who didn’t know how Shardblades were made to create a Shardblade using a different magic system. Question If Nightblood feeds on Breath, but Szeth doesn’t have it, will it feed on Stormlight? Brandon Sanderson Nightblood can feed off Stormlight, but Szeth can't draw in Stormlight right now. So Szeth better not draw that sword, for a while at least. Your probably looking for this one http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1048#25 Quote OUTIS If an Elantrian bonded to a Seon and traveled to Roshar, would that act as a Nahel bond? BRANDON SANDERSON It would act very very similarly, yes. But it would be like… it wouldn't necesarily do the exact same things. It would be treated the exact same way, but wouldn't grant the same powers. TAGS seon , nahel bond , roshar It's not about Nightblood, but it should still apply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness he/him Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, Calderis said: Your probably looking for this one http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1048#25 It's not about Nightblood, but it should still apply. saw that you posted it over in the other thread too that was the one... I was using sword and Nightblood as keywords though lol. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sami she/her Posted June 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 aha I see. I will have to check in Arcanum Unbounded next time I visit the library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Technovore he/him Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 On 6/7/2017 at 6:53 AM, Calderis said: You could theoretically hold all 10 Honorblades, never summon them, and use all of the surges. Bruh... can you imagine if two people with all 10 surges went at it? ...now that I'm thinking about it, didn't the visions mention that Dalinar needs to make Odium "choose a champion"? What if the climax is between Odium's champion and one of the main cast... both with all 10 surges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinsukolo Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) On 6/7/2017 at 1:19 PM, Spoolofwhool said: You would only need five Honorblades at minium to be able to bind all ten surges. Would this limit you to the resonances of only the 5 you hold? Or would you gain the other 5 resonance effects from washover/ melding of the blades to "make" the ones in between you don't hold? @Darkness Quote Most likely Szeth cannot use surges since he can't draw in stormlight... Yet. But even if he could, they probably wouldn't be the same surges we were used to in the first 2 books (I cant find the WoB but I have dim memories of someone asking if Nightblood would grant Szeth surges, and Brandon said something like 'bonding Nightblood on Roshar would grant powers, but they may not be the ones you're familiar with'). Dont quote me on that though since I cant find the WoB. Here's a different one haha I wonder if this means Szeth would get "surges" equivalent to Heightenings since that's Endowments 'power'. If so I wonder if it's based on Nightblood's original leave of Breaths invested (1k) or the total he's consumed even though he's corrupted them. Edited June 11, 2017 by Chinsukolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chinsukolo said: Would this limit you to the resonances of only the 5 you hold? Or would you gain the other 5 resonance effects from washover/ melding of the blades to "make" the ones in between you don't hold? You should still get all ten resonances since you possess the pairings. I don't think source matters. You should also get resonances from the pairs of other surgebinding variations too. At the same time, a fair argument could be made for you not getting any resonances because of the interference due to possessing too many powers. I would honestly bet on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinsukolo Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: You should still get all ten resonances since you possess the pairings. I don't think source matters. You should also get resonances from the pairs of other surgebinding variations too. At the same time, a fair argument could be made for you not getting any resonances because of the interference due to possessing too many powers. I would honestly bet on that. Makes sense on both accounts. I can get behind the idea that you'd get none because f the interference. That does seem more likely to me as well. -Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crucible of Shards he/him Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I was under the impression that resonances were only possible when one had a small amount of powers, like Spoiler Wax's twinborn abilities. Brandon Sanderson He’s used them a lot, and they are changing his soul, and so the powers are morphing and changing, just in slight, little ways, you’re not gonna see a whole bunch. Well, you can imagine these powers are sort of becoming one to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 26 minutes ago, Crucible of Shards said: I was under the impression that resonances were only possible when one had a small amount of powers, like Hide contents Wax's twinborn abilities. Brandon Sanderson He’s used them a lot, and they are changing his soul, and so the powers are morphing and changing, just in slight, little ways, you’re not gonna see a whole bunch. Well, you can imagine these powers are sort of becoming one to him. You're right. But we don't know the exact cutoff. My thoughts on resonances (mainly because of the name) is like chords in music. 2 or 3 notes together creates a distinct chord. 4 or 5 work in specific combinations. You may find outliers of 6 or even 7. Anything beyond that is almost always going to be just noise though. The individual notes are also still there, but there's not that extra something more. And on that note, I also wonder if you have a resonance for 3 or 4 powers, you'd get it instead of the ones for pairs, and not in addition to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crucible of Shards he/him Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 That makes sense, although I think resonance is a fan made term, so I don't know how much we can read into it. I was looking for a WoB stating that a Mistborn would not receive any, but I just can't find it. Maybe I was imagining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, Crucible of Shards said: That makes sense, although I think resonance is a fan made term, so I don't know how much we can read into it. I was looking for a WoB stating that a Mistborn would not receive any, but I just can't find it. Maybe I was imagining. From the Q&A section on here, this thread to be precise. Quote Yata:There is something that recently was debate by some fans and I hope you may give some clue about the "side effect of interaction between magic" as was pointed in the Twinborn and Surgebinder Cases: Are those "perks" stackable ? To say if I am a Fullborn like Rashek, will I have all the possible Twinborn's perks or a specific "Fullborn's perk" ? And about the same topic, a Mistborn or Full Feruchemist has his own perk/perks ? Brandon: I've worked under the premise that if you hold too many of the powers, like a Mistborn, the result is a loss of these little quirks. The mechanics of it are interesting, but I'll leave you to theorize on that sort of thing.source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crucible of Shards he/him Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Thanks, @The One Who Connects I can always count on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenBossanova Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) My own guess is, that if you held all the powers long enough, and practiced sufficiently, you would eventually get all the resonances, but the amount of time it takes to get that is huge. It is only doable if you have a very small number of powers to use and practice with. I thought I remembered a WoB about the Lord Ruler getting a little access to the resonances. On Earth, we have geniuses who are really good at one things. A few are really good at two things and can build on their mutual strengths. It is highly unusual to be genius level on more than that. My two cents. Edited June 13, 2017 by ZenBossanova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 42 minutes ago, ZenBossanova said: I thought I remembered a WoB about the Lord Ruler getting a little access to the resonances. If there is, I can't find it(I've apparently been looking for about 25 minutes) on either Theoryland or Pagerunner's Reddit WoB collection. I searched for the following terms via Theoryland's keyword search and via "ctrl+f": Rashek, Lord Ruler, TLR, resonance, effect(s), additional, & extra. It could be a twitter WoB, or one from events and signings on here, so there's that possibility 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 My opinion is that there is a flat-out mechanistic reason why you won't get resonances at high number of powers. Even if you're unaging and try for centuries, you won't gain access, or your access will be so watered-down you may as well be better off practicing with the powers you do have. I don't recall anything which says that Rashek had resonances, and that WoB above seems to explicitly exclude him from being able to have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian he/him Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 I agree with Spool. My personal view on the mechanistic reasons is this (and the analogies I’m using aren’t supposed to be exact, but analogies). Investiture is channelled through you and, according to the focus, it takes a particular form (in the way Brandon has described it as like one of those dough machines and the filter you add to make a shape is the focus). When you persistently channel in that one form, the investiture widens that channel and you become a savant. When you persistently use two foci at once (like a surgebinder, or a twinborn) you basically have two channels of a particular shape being used and they end up, in a way, combining, to make a new ‘shape’. That new shape is the resonance and the more you keep using both powers the more that shape becomes a new investiture ‘channel’ and basically a new power. However, when you use many powers at once, many foci, there are too many combinations of ‘shapes’, too many types of ‘filters’ the investiture is channelling through, to create a new defined channel. The various powers stay in their own channels rather than creating a new one, as there’s no dominant single combination. As I said, that’s all analogy and not very refined. I’m curious to hear differing views. But that’s kind of my head-canon for how kinetic investiture creates lasting effects, both in the form of savants and in the form of resonances. That’s why I don’t believe TLR had true resonances. Incidentally @ZenBossanova I don’t believe there is a WoB stating he had some, even small. I’m happy to be proven wrong on that though. But I think the WoB coming to mind is about TLR being a savant of every metal, not having resonances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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