Long Game 34: Allomancer

[Yitzi2]

4 hours ago, Seonid said:

Yes, but it won't do anything. 

Would it still injure the person who hazekilled himself, or not even that?

(And costing the elims their kill is probably not much of a cost, since Jon's plan was presumably to get injured and use that to cause a mislynch, and that only works if there's no kill anyway.)

Edited June 18, 2017 by Yitzi2

[Seonid he/him]

3 minutes ago, Yitzi2 said:

Would it still injure the person who hazekilled himself, or not even that?

No

[Yitzi2]

So in that case, unless Jon, Elenion, and I did a 3-way hazekill (extremely unlikely to happen without coordination, would require at least one of us to be lying, and a waste of resources if we were all elims), it seems that Jon did hazekill whoever put in the kill.

Edited June 18, 2017 by Yitzi2

[Seonid he/him]

Cycle is over! 

[Seonid he/him]

Day 7: Fall of the Steelrunner

Ribis loved the nights. They were a time he could get away from the hustle and bustle of everyday life and be one with the mists. He laughed as he raced along the top of the wall, feeling the comforting warmth of steel burning in his belly. His stores were very low, and he hadn't been able to get any more through the black market. Rumor was that the contacts had all been murdered. Well, that was one thing they couldn't blame on him. Well, Lance maybe. But it wasn't his fault that old Beet Asper had gotten murdered. And if Lance hadn't been acting all up and suspicious like he was a Venture spy, Ribis wouldn't have gone and acted...impetuously. That was a good word, he thought, as he launched himself from the wall on wings of steel. But at least he had found out Mila. That should be worth the death of an old black marketeet, right?

He landed on the top of one of the manor house's towers, feeling his reserves stretched out to their limits, and pulled out the last vial of steel on his belt. Not a lot - certainly not enough to go hunting for spies to kill tonight. But enough to give him one last flight before he turned in. He laughed recklessly as he drained the alcohol, felling the grit of the metal slide down his throat. Then, he jumped, burning steel. Or at least, he tried to. Nothing happened. He just barely managed to wonder what had happened before he impacted the ground at a...terminal velocity.

He never knew that the spies had swapped his vial of steel for a different metal while he was out. Not that knowing would have made much of a difference anyways.

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Day 7 has begun! It will end at 10:30 PM, Mountain Daylight Time, June 19th.

 

Ribis (cloudjumper) was killed! They were a Village Coinshot!

 

 

Player List:

1. Marv (Hemalurgic_Headshot)
2. Barry Allen (The Flash)
3. Jeff (Manukos) - short for Jeffonimo
4. Lance (Ecthelion III) - The Second Nameless Metallurgist
5. Booken (Paranoid King) - a victim of the "common word + en" method of naming Village Seeker
6. Garshin (Yitzi2)
7. Ribis (cloudjumper) - the bored second son of a noble from the Remote Dominance Village Coinshot
8. Stick McStick (_Stick_) Village Courier and Brass Spiked
9. Remart (Jondesu) Venture Hazekiller
10. Beet Asper (Ornstein) - an old timer who knows his stuff Metallurgist
11. Locke Tekiel (OrlokTsubodai) - a scion of a well - respected noble house Village Captain
12. Absolen (StrikerEZ) - a skaa worker in the Conrad fields Village Lurcher
13. Jay (DroughtBringer) - a blind young man attempting to keep his blindness a secret
14. Boris (Elenion) - a guard known for laziness and general apathy
15. Hadrian Penrod (Araris Valerian) - hoping to ascend to Ruin
16. Mehir (Metacognition) - a mute and paranoid guard
17. Cluny (Cluny the Scourge) - a man who believes he is a rat with a spearhead on his tail Village Soother with a Bronze Spike
18. Valbar (TheMightyLopen) - who always gets ignored despite his large stature Village Rioter
19. Mila (BrightnessRadiant) - a girl from the country Venture Courier
20. Sorren Karidor (Dalinar Kholin) - an old guard who's been here longer than any of you whippersnappers Village Thug
21. Argyle (Sart) - a very clumsy man

[manukos he/him]

How likely would you think that there are two active elims 

Also please answer me this in case of one active and one innactive , the active made the kill order?

[Elenion he/him]

@Manukos  I'd say it's unlikely but possible that there are two active elims. Probably has it that there's one active elim, and they put in the kill order.

Because we know that Jon didn't Hazekill himself, and the chances that Yitzi and Jon lied about their actions that actually caused a Hazekill circle are microscopic, Jon's target is the key to finding who put in the elim kill that night. I specify the elim kill because metals are limited, so if Jon was planning on Hazekilling a teammate, he wouldn't have wanted them to waste their metal. Really, due to alibis from Yitzi, me, and Araris, the field is pretty narrow. But to ensure we're not overlooking the obvious, @The Flash did you successfully make an action the night that the Hazekilling mess occurred? If Flash wasn't blocked, then we have to assume that the player who put in the elim kill did not post in the thread that night. Meta was on right around turnover, if memory serves, and HH has been active on the Shard despite not posting much in any days. Maybe others were on during that night, too. @Metacognition if you were planning on roleclaiming this game, now would be a great time. I'd like to see what you've been doing this whole game, and if we can confirm you an alibi for last night or night before that would help greatly.

Finally, I'm planning on Rioting this cycle to prove my role.

[manukos he/him]

I would like to hear an answer from one more person before I share my thoughts. 

[Steeldancer he/him]

Yes @Elenion I said in the thread what I did. I burned bronze at araris to see what he had, and got nothing. And I was kind of hoping they would attack me last night, because Yitzi had given me another pewter. Well, whatever. I still have a few more that I was given, so I'm good for a few more turns. Bring it on, elims 

Wait a second. @Seonid the steelrunner? Isn't that the feruchemical steel ferring? Wouldn't it be the fall of the Coinshot? 

Edited June 18, 2017 by The Flash

[Yitzi2]

7 hours ago, Manukos said:

How likely would you think that there are two active elims

Pretty much certain; by this point, every surviving player is at least a tiny bit active.

That said, I do somewhat suspect that when Jon tried to summon DroughtBringer back, it was because he was the only active elim at the time, and needed another for his hazekill ploy.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I would guess that Meta is a Hazekiller, since he had no items Night 1. For what it's worth, Drought had no items last night.

[Seonid he/him]

Also, just a note:  I'm well aware that a Steelrunner is the name of a Twinborn combination. I plead poetic license. 

Edited June 18, 2017 by Seonid
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[Elenion he/him]

@Seonid  If a player burning Bronze is Hazekilled, will they be informed that their action was blocked, or will they just receive no scan results?

Wait: if Meta's a Hazekiller, he was on right around turnover, and if a Hazekiller blocks another only the blocker is injured (unless they block each other), that means Meta could have put in a Hazekill action for Jon to block, saving Meta's action for later.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Yes, Meta could be an eliminator. Him using a Hazekill action isn't any different from using the elim kill though, so that isn't that helpful. I'm going to vote on DroughtBringer. Also, if it comes down to only 1 elim that we know the identity of, I'd like to lynch HH first. Then I will have fully avenged Dalinar. Right now I've only taken out 4/5.

[Metacognition he/him]

14 hours ago, Elenion said:

@Metacognition if you were planning on roleclaiming this game, now would be a great time. I'd like to see what you've been doing this whole game, and if we can confirm you an alibi for last night or night before that would help greatly.

I am a Hazekiller. I also have a Copper Spike which I implanted N0. I did have one copper that I picked up on N4, but I'm pretty sure Araris stole that as well, even if the GMs forgot to put it in the PM (can you at least verify if the thief takes all items from a person or just one, Seonid?). 

24 minutes ago, Elenion said:

@Seonid  If a player burning Bronze is Hazekilled, will they be informed that their action was blocked, or will they just receive no scan results?

Wait: if Meta's a Hazekiller, he was on right around turnover, and if a Hazekiller blocks another only the blocker is injured (unless they block each other), that means Meta could have put in a Hazekill action for Jon to block, saving Meta's action for later.

That seems way convoluted. As in, reaching for a reason to be suspicious of me convoluted. If I was a Venture (I am not) and I was online enough to put an order in (which I was not), then why wouldn't I just put in a kill order in the first place? There's no need for this kind of twist and since I'm convinced that we must have someone playing deeply undercover at the moment, the fact that you're stretching so hard makes me wonder if it's you. 

That said, I agree with Yitzi; I don't like how, just as the Ventures were trying some crazy plan, all of a sudden Drought, Manukos, and HH all came back. I'm willing to give HH a bit of a break considering that he helped us implicate Jondesu, but by the time he did, Jondesu already had quite a few votes on him, so it could be a bus. Since no one else seems willing to vote (we've already had about half a day turn so far and only the one vote), I'll join him on Droughtbringer because I believe at least one of them is an Elim. 

 

Edit: Ninja'd by Araris

Edited June 18, 2017 by Metacognition

[Yitzi2]

30 minutes ago, Elenion said:

and if a Hazekiller blocks another only the blocker is injured (unless they block each other)

Not true.  To quote the roles from the OP in the main thread:

" If you are block another Hazekiller performing their action, you both become Injured."

That is, if you had been trying to block Manukos for some reason, and I blocked you, we would both become injured (and Manukos would not be blocked).  If you had been not trying to block anyone, then neither of us would become injured.

[Elenion he/him]

@MetacognitionI'm not leveling an accusation at you that you did collude with Jon, I'm just saying that with the actions and roles involved it's possible (and as I'm writing this post Yitzi's clarification clears you). To answer your question, the Thief steals one item at random from their target.

@Yitzi2 Then never mind. That clears Meta from being Jon's target.

If me, Yitzi, Flash, Meta, and Araris are all in the clear, that only leaves Drought, HH, Manukos, and Sart. Sart seems completely gone at this point, and HH helped bust Jon, so today I want to lynch either Manukos or Drought. Looks like Drought it is.

[Steeldancer he/him]

Well frankly I haven't been on at all today. I had grandparents and father's day, so I will reserve judgement. While I agree Droughtbringer is a worthy target, I will analyze the thread tomorrow to draw my own conclusions, following a job interview, and puppy-sitting. 

[manukos he/him]

HMMMM seems like i am next up on the chopping block so  i think that i'll do what i can to help the village before i go out 
i am a hazekiller as well and last night i targeted elenion , my thought process was that since he was already injured and his rioting could only be used during the day if i got injured he would surley be an elim , plus since he is one of the most active players, paired with an innactive he would probably put the order himself since ... he doesnt have anything else to do in the night so unless he predicted someone blocking him and had the innactive place the order , i think he is prety much confirmed village 

@Metacognition for the night i would like us to coordinate our hazekills if possible (one open decided by the vilage so the other can block whoever he likes without any chance of overlap ) i can do whichever . 

furthermore , my suspect list goes like this : Drought , meta , HH, sart , len , yitzi , flash, 

[Elenion he/him]

18 minutes ago, Manukos said:

i am a hazekiller as well and last night i targeted elenion , my thought process was that since he was already injured and his rioting could only be used during the day if i got injured he would surley be an elim , plus since he is one of the most active players, paired with an innactive he would probably put the order himself since ... he doesnt have anything else to do in the night so unless he predicted someone blocking him and had the innactive place the order , i think he is prety much confirmed village 

Awesome, that clears me from putting in the elim-kill two cycles in a row, first by Hazing Yitzi and second by being Hazed by Manukos.

16 minutes ago, Manukos said:

HMMMM seems like i am next up on the chopping block so  i think that i'll do what i can to help the village before i go out

Not necessarily; I put you up on my suspicions list, but I'm not a one-man mob. I don't control the lynch. Also, since you're a Hazekiller (I can confirm I took no actions last night, so that's a point in your favor), I'm thinking of a plan where we can use your role to ferret out the killer in our ranks, since you aren't Injured yet. With the consent of the target player, we can use you to "lock down" a player, guaranteeing that they couldn't have performed the elim kill. Actually, we've got Meta too...

Plan forming...

I want to hold off on the specifics of this plan until we find out Drought's alignment, because if he turns out evil the plan doesn't need to be as complicated, but I think I've cooked something up that should clinch us the win.

[manukos he/him]

24 minutes ago, Elenion said:

Not necessarily; I put you up on my suspicions list, but I'm not a one-man mob. I don't control the lynch. Also, since you're a Hazekiller (I can confirm I took no actions last night, so that's a point in your favor), I'm thinking of a plan where we can use your role to ferret out the killer in our ranks, since you aren't Injured yet. With the consent of the target player, we can use you to "lock down" a player, guaranteeing that they couldn't have performed the elim kill. Actually, we've got Meta too...

Plan forming...

I want to hold off on the specifics of this plan until we find out Drought's alignment, because if he turns out evil the plan doesn't need to be as complicated, but I think I've cooked something up that should clinch us the win.

yeah i think that something like that could work but since meta is not active regularly , and if there are two elims remaining that would make it dificult to work  if the targets are public 
which is why i proposed my half baked plan , thou i can see some of it's flaws .

[Metacognition he/him]

19 hours ago, Elenion said:

@MetacognitionI'm not leveling an accusation at you that you did collude with Jon, I'm just saying that with the actions and roles involved it's possible (and as I'm writing this post Yitzi's clarification clears you). To answer your question, the Thief steals one item at random from their target.

@Yitzi2 Then never mind. That clears Meta from being Jon's target.

If me, Yitzi, Flash, Meta, and Araris are all in the clear, that only leaves Drought, HH, Manukos, and Sart. Sart seems completely gone at this point, and HH helped bust Jon, so today I want to lynch either Manukos or Drought. Looks like Drought it is.

It's all good, Len. It's just that I was feeling a bit vindicated after Jondesu's lynch because he's been trying to throw suspicion on me basically all game. I wasn't looking forward to going back (though it seems like I don't have a choice in the matter considering other people's suspicion lists...) just because I'm experienced and the whole "why isn't he dead yet?" thing. 

8 hours ago, Manukos said:

HMMMM seems like i am next up on the chopping block so  i think that i'll do what i can to help the village before i go out 
i am a hazekiller as well and last night i targeted elenion , my thought process was that since he was already injured and his rioting could only be used during the day if i got injured he would surley be an elim , plus since he is one of the most active players, paired with an innactive he would probably put the order himself since ... he doesnt have anything else to do in the night so unless he predicted someone blocking him and had the innactive place the order , i think he is prety much confirmed village 

@Metacognition for the night i would like us to coordinate our hazekills if possible (one open decided by the vilage so the other can block whoever he likes without any chance of overlap ) i can do whichever . 

furthermore , my suspect list goes like this : Drought , meta , HH, sart , len , yitzi , flash, 

I was actually just coming back on to suggest something similar.  You and I are the last two people with abilities at this point (do we know HH's or Sart's?), so now is the time to use them. And we don't want to hit the same target and both get injured (Do both Hazekillers get injured if they both hit the same person? I just realized that I was just assuming that at this point.). 

Edited June 19, 2017 by Metacognition

[Steeldancer he/him]

Ok i read through the thread. As much as I hate it for now, droughtbringer  . I still think we have 1 more active elim among us, but frankly I have no idea who it might be. I know who it isn't (Yitzi and I are definetly out.) But who it might be... idk. I shall watch and see. 

[manukos he/him]

28 minutes ago, Metacognition said:

i was actually just coming back on to suggest something similar.  You and I are the last two people with abilities at this point (do we know HH's or Sart's?), so now is the time to use them. And we don't want to hit the same target and both get injured (Do both Hazekillers get injured if they both hit the same person? I just realized that I was just assuming that at this point.). 

i havent considered that, perhaps i won't  block someone until you get injured so that i am THE ONLY ONE LEFT   
as for your question, in case of tergeting the same person we won't injure each other and if he makes an action only one will be hurt , 
we would however both get injured if any of us targeted the other one.  so plz dont

[Sart he/him]

I'm here. Sorry for going so inactive. I had my family vacation this weekend, so I could only browse on mobile, and I didn't have any time to make a post. I'll try to catch up in a bit.