Faceless Mist-Wraith he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Calderis said: Healing through just about any means we've seen functions from the same base mechanics, even if it manifests slightly differently. Gold can potentially heal hemalurgic damage, so it has to be able to heal the soul. Just like we know that non-progression surge, base Stormlight healing can heal the soul Ala Kaladin's arm. I've seen a lot that says that gold can heal shardblade wounds, but does this also apply if the spine is severed? It seemed as if people died almost instantly from this, so I was unsure. Also, I've read through this thread and haven't seen this mentioned. Can a Radiant with the Gravitation surge feasibly keep up with a mistborn? The gravitation surge isn't actual flight but is more like controlled falling. Kaladin thinks about this when he is fighting Szeth, where he has some trouble because of the wind. The gravitation surge seems great for long distances, but I'm not sure it would be as good for the maneuvers necessary in a Mistborn-Radiant dogfight. While it does depend on the environment, steel pushes and iron pulls give a mistborn more minute control over their flight. Thoughts?
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Faceless Mist-Wraith said: I've seen a lot that says that gold can heal shardblade wounds, but does this also apply if the spine is severed? It seemed as if people died almost instantly from this, so I was unsure. Also, I've read through this thread and haven't seen this mentioned. Can a Radiant with the Gravitation surge feasibly keep up with a mistborn? The gravitation surge isn't actual flight but is more like controlled falling. Kaladin thinks about this when he is fighting Szeth, where he has some trouble because of the wind. The gravitation surge seems great for long distances, but I'm not sure it would be as good for the maneuvers necessary in a Mistborn-Radiant dogfight. While it does depend on the environment, steel pushes and iron pulls give a mistborn more minute control over their flight. Thoughts? I think that, possibly, depending on the skill of the Radiant we're talking about, they could possibly learn to lash themselves in multiple directions and in minute ways (like 1/5, 1/20, 1/40, etc. of a lashing) so that they could fall in certain ways. Otherwise, I think the Mistborn would have a distinct advantage.
Calderis he/him Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, Faceless Mist-Wraith said: I've seen a lot that says that gold can heal shardblade wounds, but does this also apply if the spine is severed? It seemed as if people died almost instantly from this, so I was unsure. Well it's debatable really. If it was just stored I think they'd have to have enough stored and be actively tapping. If their compounding and actively burning then yeah, they'll live. Some people think it doesn't work that way though. Regardless, it's not really relevant to this topic, as Mistborn don't have access to gold healing.
Jace21 he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Faceless Mist-Wraith said: I've seen a lot that says that gold can heal shardblade wounds, but does this also apply if the spine is severed? It seemed as if people died almost instantly from this, so I was unsure. Also, I've read through this thread and haven't seen this mentioned. Can a Radiant with the Gravitation surge feasibly keep up with a mistborn? The gravitation surge isn't actual flight but is more like controlled falling. Kaladin thinks about this when he is fighting Szeth, where he has some trouble because of the wind. The gravitation surge seems great for long distances, but I'm not sure it would be as good for the maneuvers necessary in a Mistborn-Radiant dogfight. While it does depend on the environment, steel pushes and iron pulls give a mistborn more minute control over their flight. Thoughts? Isn't there a scene with Szeth where he lashes himself in too many directions too quickly and ends up disoriented? He is probably the most accomplished user of the gravitation surge we have seen so I agree that it may not be ideal for keeping up with a mistborn in a smallish space.
cometaryorbit Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 I agree; Gravitation "flight" is more widely usable than Mistborn "flight" in that you don't need metal objects to Push/Pull off of, but it's probably not as delicately controllable.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 On 6/1/2017 at 7:12 PM, Jace21 said: Isn't there a scene with Szeth where he lashes himself in too many directions too quickly and ends up disoriented? He is probably the most accomplished user of the gravitation surge we have seen so I agree that it may not be ideal for keeping up with a Mistborn in a smallish space. This makes me wonder why the Mistborn doesn't. If they go in just as many directions too quickly, they should get just as disoriented, right?
Calderis he/him Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: This makes me wonder why the Mistborn doesn't. If they go in just as many directions too quickly, they should get just as disoriented, right? Gravitation is described as the orientation of the world literally shifting from the perspective of the surgebinder. So every time they change direction, they have to mentally reorient which way is down. For a Mistborn, no matter which way they move, their relationship to up and down is static. I think the main problem here for gravitation is actually physiological. The direction of Gravity itself changing has to really screw with the inner ear. Edited June 3, 2017 by Calderis
Vissy Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 Stormlight-aided flight is way more physical, when Mistborn flight is very mechanical. The other one requires insane athleticism - starting from your innate sense of balance - while the other only requires the rather more common ability to compartmentalize.
Calderis he/him Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 16 minutes ago, Rob Lucci said: Stormlight-aided flight is way more physical, when Mistborn flight is very mechanical. The other one requires insane athleticism - starting from your innate sense of balance - while the other only requires the rather more common ability to compartmentalize. Yeah. The Mistborn's capacity for flight lends itself to creating a sense of balance and athleticism that facilitates a sense of awareness of proximity, further aided by steelsight. I mean, imagine that both had their vision totally obscured while airborne. The Mistborn still has steelsight for a general sense of where they are, and a true sense of up and down due to Gravity. A Windrunner in the same situation could very easily lose track of which way is down.
Vissy Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) Now that you mention it, the G-forces at play in using the Surge of Gravitation must be quite extreme at times for an unprotected human. It could be that a jet pilot and a Windrunner would require many of the same qualities to perform well at their respective occupations. It actually makes me wonder if the Windrunner could train their tolerance of G-forces to more extreme levels than they can get at via simply using the Surges, and in this manner allay the disorientation at least somewhat. Edited June 3, 2017 by Rob Lucci
Yata he/him Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rob Lucci said: Now that you mention it, the G-forces at play in using the Surge of Gravitation must be quite extreme at times for an unprotected human. It could be that a jet pilot and a Windrunner would require many of the same qualities to perform well at their respective occupations. It actually makes me wonder if the Windrunner could train their tolerance of G-forces to more extreme levels than they can get at via simply using the Surges, and in this manner allay the disorientation at least somewhat. Well we never saw a Gravtation user to go with multiple Lashing for long distances. I think that It would faint soon or He Need to use the Stormlight Healing to remain awake....Also because usually when you Lash yourself, you do It in the worst way possible for an acceleration's PoV. The pilots uses specific trick (from their equipment) together with their training to sustain High G. Those equipments are unluckly mainly uneffective for a veicleless gravitation user (maybe some of them could be replicated by Fabrial) Edited June 4, 2017 by Yata
Vissy Posted June 4, 2017 Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) Some kind of flying-aid fabrials could be pretty cool to see. I think they might even be useful in close-range dogfights, since if you think how quickly and forcefully Windrunners move when they're fighting in the air, the forces involved must be greater (though not as long-lasting) as in long-distance flight Edited June 4, 2017 by Rob Lucci
Lord Joped Posted June 5, 2017 Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) Some interesting points to make: coins being shot by an Allomancer would deform like a bullet, and probably burn up like a meteor, but much faster due to the increasing force; Soulcasting doesn't have to directly affect the Mistborn to be terrifying, ie. turn their clothes to stone (or into air, and let them die of embarrassment); and once a coin that has been shot has hit your Shardplate, the Mistborn will go flying, because Shardplate is heavy. (It's only light because of the strength it adds.) (and I'm not even going to mention the preemptive and morphing nature of live Shardblades as shown in Kaladin v. Szeth fight.) Edited June 5, 2017 by Lord Joped 3
8bitBob Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 Okay, this is a massive necro, but I just had a bit of a late night epiphany that I am amazed I had not considered, which I feel is interesting enough to reopen discussion: Chromium + Duralumin = Instant Investiture Leech Obviously this is only relevant if Chromium can indeed leech other forms of Investiture, but this is a pretty big deal. A big concern I had for the viability of Chromium against Knights is the fact that the greater levels of Investiture could be so much larger that this wouldn't be a threat. Duralumin alleviates these concerns. With this, the idea that a Mistborn could drain your Plate's Stormlight and leave you helplessly trapped inside (not to mention drain the Knight inside) becomes a real concern. Suddenly close quarter combat becomes a much less one sided affair, though obviously the Knight has a reach advantage with their weapon. 1
tarix29 he/him Posted June 1, 2018 Posted June 1, 2018 Even bigger necro here, but I think it is worth noting that the Mistborn can just hide and burn Cadmium. Also if they have access to Harmonium they can just charge it with Bendalloy and throw it at the Radiant. Either of these will cause the Radiant to run out of Stormlight. As someone said before, Atium really is an "I win button". I think the outcome of the duel would largely come down to the Radiant's knowledge of Allomancy, and also the type of Radiant in question. If they were a Lightweaver the Mistborn really has no chance, especially if the Mistborn doesn't know very much about Investiture on Roshar. If they did know something of it (and if they worldhopped like that, thn they should) then they should know that Bronze can sense other forms of Investiture, but would the Stormlight of a Lightweaver's distortions interfer with that? We also don't know what would happen if they use Nicrosil on the Radiant. It also might be possible that Aluminum can pierce Shardplate easier than other metals. In that case the Mistborn could coat some other metal with Aluminum and Push it at the Radiant, assuming they had time to prepare the Aluminum beforehand. I also think the Mistborn could just spray a bunch of metal at the Radiant's head, in hopes of some of it getting through the eye holes, like how Kaladin killed the Shardbearer in the flashback. From the point of view of a Radiant, how would they kill the Mistborn? If they're a Lightweaver it's not too difficult (unless the Mistborn can use Bronze masterfully). I don't think a Windrunner could ever compete with the mobility of a Mistborn, but a Reverse Lashing might be very useful. Also a full lashing could be helpful if they ever got close enough to touch the Mistborn (would that even be necessary?). All in all I don't think we have enough knowledge of Radiants or the interactions between magic systems too decide the outcome of this, or even possible outcomes.
goody153 Posted June 1, 2018 Posted June 1, 2018 Since people already necro'd this i think it depends on which Radiant faces the Mistborn. Well if it's Skybreaker/Windrunner then the Mistborn most likely loses since notably most surge of gravitation users make the ability look extremely flexible compared to steel/iron pulling/pushing. Just shardblade/shardplate alone already makes it really difficult for a Mistborn to beat a Radiant in a straight up confrontation With Atium in play then the Radiant is most likely dead or he could stall. But if we are talking about Fullborn well you know how bad it goes for anybody who isn't a shard against a Fullborn (unli speed, strength and health that alone is already good enough to like beat almost anybody)
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