Guest Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Radiant_Jaeger said: uuuh yes. Definitely was a bad joke.... also wouldnt willshaper work for Rysn? Didn't come out as you thought it would now didn't? There has been talk, in the past, about Rysn potentially becoming a Willshaper. While I do think it definitively fits, I keep thinking her purpose in the story will be something else. 5 minutes ago, lookupwards said: No one has mentioned Kaladin's dad, Lirin. I want Lirin to be an Edgedancer or Truthwatcher so the surgeon who has been saving people all his life can continue to do so. It's been an on-going theory. I personally do not like it. I feel it horribly conventional (and not all that interesting) to have the surgeon become either a Truthwatcher and/or an Edgedancer. I also generally do not like Kaladin's father becoming a Radiant. While I can see a rational for the Kholins, Lirin would just come as a tad too arranged with the author, so I'd rather he remained normal.
KnightofLight Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) I think High Prince Sebarial would be my choice. I hope he gets more attention in the next book he cracked me up. Not sure what order but prob light weaver considering he spent a lot of time with Shallon Edited May 13, 2017 by KnightofLight 2
TheDoomsday he/him Posted May 13, 2017 Author Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, lookupwards said: No one has mentioned Kaladin's dad, Lirin. I want Lirin to be an Edgedancer or Truthwatcher so the surgeon who has been saving people all his life can continue to do so. That makes... A lot of sense actually. Truthwatcher I think, it would fit his personality more. I can't really imagine Lirin sliding around like Lift.
iamstick Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) I don't see there being too many possible radiants, not because there aren't enough broken humans with gaps in their spirit webs but because too many spren who have experience and knowledge of what it means to be radiant got sworded and aren't around now to train new ones. The best human candidates have been systematically annihilated by Nin son God (that still makes me laugh) & his pals but I think it's the stuck spren who got recreanced who are the vital factor in making this desolation so critical. Syl went against orders. Wyndle was reluctantly chosen by a committee. Even if Adolin resurrects his sword, I'm guessing it will be hard process and he'll be torn between radiating and using that knowledge to train others. Narratively, I also really like Joel in Rithmatist, and it's mostly because he doesn't have magic or powers. Navani, the engineer, is best at what she's doing. Making her magic won't help her fabrialize better. But more and better fabrials could change the way the everwar proceeds. I'd like to see Sanderson change the narrative for this desolation, so that there's a paradigm shift: child radiants, listener radiants, etc, but not too many of them that we lose the character-driven story. Things got Too Big™ in Wheel of Time. I'm trusting that Sanderson will be able to reign in the number of magic people so that we can continue to care about the core characters like Lift, Rysn, Eshonai, Gaz, and Adolin. Edited May 13, 2017 by iamstick 1
Calderis he/him Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, TheDoomsday said: That makes... A lot of sense actually. Truthwatcher I think, it would fit his personality more. I can't really imagine Lirin sliding around like Lift. The powers are separate from the ideals. I would wait to categorize his theoretical order, as we know pretty much nothing about truthwatcher ideals (as far as I know).
ryshadium90 Posted May 14, 2017 Posted May 14, 2017 On 5/13/2017 at 5:29 PM, TheDoomsday said: Adding my own thoughts to my own topic, I'm thinking that Zahel might be one. I dunno what order though. Dustbringers? Willshapers? I dunno. Wait, I thought... Spoiler I thought that Zahel was Vasher. Can a Returned become a Radiant?
Calderis he/him Posted May 14, 2017 Posted May 14, 2017 @ryshadium90 Spoiler Zahel is Vasher. I honestly don't think there's anything stopping him from being a radiant. We know he can already draw in Stormlight to stay alive. If he is able to attract a spren, that would be that. Unless his divine breath somehow prevents him attracting a spren...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted May 14, 2017 Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calderis said: Spoiler If he is able to attract a spren, that would be that. Unless his divine breath somehow prevents him attracting a spren... Well there's the WoB that Djar got us a while back. Spoilered for size, rather than topic Spoiler Djarskublar So say you go to Roshar and you give somebody a Hemalurgic spike for some Allomantic power, don't care what, and you use it to become a savant. Does that qualify them as 'broken' enough to become a Radiant? As long as they are also following the Ideals to attract a Spren. Brandon Sanderson So becoming a Radiant is a spectrum of terminologies. It... probably, but you would have to find a Radiant who would, or a Spren who would be willing to touch that, okay? It's going to drive them back. Djarskublar So would it also affect your probability of becoming an Elantrian? Brandon Sanderson Yeah it would affect your ability to become anything else, yes. [..] It does give you cracks in your Spiritweb. Djarskublar So it's easier for Investiture to get in. Does it make it easier for other Investitures to get in? Brandon Sanderson It would make it... yes. It's going to drive Spren away. So what it's really going to make easier for, there, is Spren and Investiture that doesn't care. Djarskublar Okay, so Investiture doesn't care but Spren do. Brandon Sanderson Investiture might care depending on if it's part of a Shard-- if it has intent and things like this. Djarskublar So it might let Stormlight in easier than a Breath, type thing. Brandon Sanderson I'm saying it might let Odium in easier than Syl. Because Syl would care, and Odium would not care. Djarskublar Okay cool. Brandon Sanderson Alright, so it could be a really bad thing, is what I'm trying to say to you. It would depend on the Spren. Which is a non-answer, and what you would have expected.. Edited May 15, 2017 by The One Who Connects Spoiler tag didn't quote with the text
Calderis he/him Posted May 14, 2017 Posted May 14, 2017 1 minute ago, The One Who Connects said: Well there's the WoB that Djar got us a while back. Spoilered for size, rather than topic Hide contents Djarskublar So say you go to Roshar and you give somebody a Hemalurgic spike for some Allomantic power, don't care what, and you use it to become a savant. Does that qualify them as 'broken' enough to become a Radiant? As long as they are also following the Ideals to attract a Spren. Brandon Sanderson So becoming a Radiant is a spectrum of terminologies. It... probably, but you would have to find a Radiant who would, or a Spren who would be willing to touch that, okay? It's going to drive them back. Djarskublar So would it also affect your probability of becoming an Elantrian? Brandon Sanderson Yeah it would affect your ability to become anything else, yes. [..] It does give you cracks in your Spiritweb. Djarskublar So it's easier for Investiture to get in. Does it make it easier for other Investitures to get in? Brandon Sanderson It would make it... yes. It's going to drive Spren away. So what it's really going to make easier for, there, is Spren and Investiture that doesn't care. Djarskublar Okay, so Investiture doesn't care but Spren do. Brandon Sanderson Investiture might care depending on if it's part of a Shard-- if it has intent and things like this. Djarskublar So it might let Stormlight in easier than a Breath, type thing. Brandon Sanderson I'm saying it might let Odium in easier than Syl. Because Syl would care, and Odium would not care. Djarskublar Okay cool. Brandon Sanderson Alright, so it could be a really bad thing, is what I'm trying to say to you. It would depend on the Spren. Which is a non-answer, and what you would have expected.. Considering the nature of hemalurgy, I can see spren caring much more about that than other types of investiture we've seen. Hemalurgy seems very much at odds with honor. Although I can see Cultivation having little issue intent wise with what is essentially a soul graft.
Radiant_Jaeger he/him Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 On 5/13/2017 at 4:42 PM, Calderis said: The powers are separate from the ideals. I would wait to categorize his theoretical order, as we know pretty much nothing about truthwatcher ideals (as far as I know). But don't you gain more power in your order's given surges once you say the next ideal? Also I just had a crazy idea... what if in the new relationship between Szeth and Spoiler Nightblood SZETH is the spren!!? Because that reincarnation did something to him...?. lol ridiculous but that'd be crazy
Farnsworth Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Nan Balat! I'm going for Skybreaker, since he certainly needs more stability. Also, I really want to see more of him. He seems like an interesting character. 1
+Extesian he/him Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 19 minutes ago, Figberts said: Nan Balat! I'm going for Skybreaker, since he certainly needs more stability. Also, I really want to see more of him. He seems like an interesting character. Yeah I've become a lot more interested in him since finding out this. Quote There's a scene where you can see from the perspective of Nan Balat, Shallan's brother, where he's maiming an insect. It's described as soothing his aches. Is that in any way related to how Kaladin feels depressed and down during the Weeping even in his early childhood? A: What's happening to Nan Balat is magically enhanced. What's happening to Kaladin is mostly just chemical depression. Be he is really too young to be diagnosed with depression during some of these events, but he's got the seeds in there. So Kaladin is not magically depressed. Kaladin is just legitimatly a person with depression. Nan Balat... What's up with him is... ah... being exaggerated by certain forces moving in on Roshar. (last bit is a bit The fact there's something magical going on says to me he has something already, but I've struggled to figure out what. He's my most likely candidate so far for voidy-influence but it would be nice if it's not. 1
Calderis he/him Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, Extesian said: Yeah I've become a lot more interested in him since finding out this. The fact there's something magical going on says to me he has something already, but I've struggled to figure out what. He's my most likely candidate so far for voidy-influence but it would be nice if it's not. That's... Pretty damnation sinister. I hadn't seen that before, but that makes me think that Nan Balat may have received an unfortunate inheritance from Lin. I agree definitely voidy. I'm going to have visions of unmade influenced serial killers now.
TheDoomsday he/him Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 10 hours ago, ryshadium90 said: Wait, I thought... Hide contents I thought that Zahel was Vasher. Can a Returned become a Radiant? Wait, he's Vasher? News to me
ryshadium90 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, TheDoomsday said: Wait, he's Vasher? News to me Was to me too when I found out. Spoiler I kind of guessed it after reading his character in WoR and thinking that acted a lot like Vasher. Also, his way of speaking references colors, and in one part, he mentions that he hadn't heard a voice in his head for a very long time, which is a reference to Nightblood. Edited May 15, 2017 by ryshadium90
Steeldancer he/him Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 15 hours ago, Extesian said: Yeah I've become a lot more interested in him since finding out this. The fact there's something magical going on says to me he has something already, but I've struggled to figure out what. He's my most likely candidate so far for voidy-influence but it would be nice if it's not. I had never heard that before! I'm betting on an unmade
TheDoomsday he/him Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 7 hours ago, ryshadium90 said: Was to me too when I found out. Reveal hidden contents I kind of guessed it after reading his character in WoR and thinking that acted a lot like Vasher. Also, his way of speaking references colors, and in one part, he mentions that he hadn't heard a voice in his head for a very long time, which is a reference to Nightblood. God, I must be horrible at finding out cosmere references. It makes sense now, of course, but still. Also, how did he lose Nightblood?
ryshadium90 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 23 minutes ago, TheDoomsday said: God, I must be horrible at finding out cosmere references. It makes sense now, of course, but still. Also, how did he lose Nightblood? Hey, me too! I was extremely proud for noticing this one. How was it lost? I honestly have no idea. Is there anyone else around here who would like to enlighten us? 1
Calderis he/him Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Just now, ryshadium90 said: Hey, me too! I was extremely proud for noticing this one. How was it lost? I honestly have no idea. Is there anyone else around here who would like to enlighten us? I'm fairly certain everything about this has been RAFO'd as it will be either covered in SA or when he writes Nightblood. All we know is that they were separated, and had a "falling out." not sure exactly what that could mean as far as Nightblood is concerned though.
TheDoomsday he/him Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, ryshadium90 said: Hey, me too! I was extremely proud for noticing this one. How was it lost? I honestly have no idea. Is there anyone else around here who would like to enlighten us? I was at the point where I thought Wit was a herald XD.
TheDoomsday he/him Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Calderis said: I'm fairly certain everything about this has been RAFO'd as it will be either covered in SA or when he writes Nightblood. All we know is that they were separated, and had a "falling out." not sure exactly what that could mean as far as Nightblood is concerned though. Falling out is a weird choice of words, considering Nightblood's nature
ryshadium90 Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, TheDoomsday said: Falling out is a weird choice of words, considering Nightblood's nature Which part of "his" nature?
TheDoomsday he/him Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, ryshadium90 said: Which part of "his" nature? I dunno, it just sounds like the kind of phrasing that you would use when talking about a couple or friends having some sort of argument, and considering Nightblood is a sword I think its more likely it was stolen or something
I Am Witless she/her Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I am aware that this is a character from a completely different world, but Wayne would certainly be interesting. Anything with Wayne is hilarious, but watching someone like him interact with someone like Pattern or Syl...... But then he'd be too over-powered, no matter his order. Alas, poor Wayne. Steris or Hrathen as Surgebinders would be cool, especially Hrathen. Spoiler Too bad he's dead. It breaks my heart every time I read Elantris. Annnnddd there's my two cents. 2
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