+Extesian he/him Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 So this is barely a theory, more a call for theories with one mini-theory and other possibilities. We know a Shardholder (Vessel) can have children. Quote PALADIN BREWER Are Shard vessels able to have children? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes they are. PALADIN BREWER Even Sazed, with his body being a eunuch? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes, though technically all of Scadrial are the children of Preservation and Ruin. My main idea. Austre is the child of Endowment. It's been proposed before that Austre, Nalthis' "God of colors" is Endowment. We know this is wrong. Quote BLAZE1616 You've revealed that the Shard Endowment is female, and in the book the Idrians refer to Austre as a male. Are they the same being? BRANDON SANDERSON *sly smile* No, they are not. QUESTION *eyes widen* BRANDON SANDERSON Who do you think Austre is? QUESTION Well, my best guess would then be some ancient Returned. BRANDON SANDERSON *smiles again* That's a good guess. While there's almost no evidence for it, I could find no evidence against the idea that Austre was a child of Endowment. A little bit messianic/holy trinity style but explaining the reverence, knowledge and power he is presumed to have had. I'd love to hear anything debunking it. And just because the idea of Shardlings fascinates me, here are some very unformed ideas for other possibilities. Honor and Cultivation: the Heralds Autonomy: Trell Preservation: Senna Now I don't believe these ones (though it would be fascinating if that was the Heralds origin). But it's just something to get ideas flowing. As always I'm grateful for these ideas being mercilessly debunked 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 30 minutes ago, Extesian said: Honor and Cultivation: the Heralds Shalash is the daughter of Jezerien, so I don't think the Heralds are children of shards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian he/him Posted March 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: Shalash is the daughter of Jezerien, so I don't think the Heralds are children of shards. Aah yes thank you Spool, quite right, I'd forgotten that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsidqiyah he/him Posted March 3, 2017 Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 I have thought that Vo (the First Returned) was Austre ... and this makes me wonder if he could be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian he/him Posted March 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2017 6 hours ago, Tsidqiyah said: I have thought that Vo (the First Returned) was Austre ... and this makes me wonder if he could be both. Yeah I have this soap opera quasi messianic idea stuck in my head that Vo was the first Returned because he was Endowment's godly son, was killed and in desperation she used her power to restore his life not realizing (or being bound in nature) that he would die after a week without someone else's sacrifice of Breath. And that since then in some desire to honor his memory and such she does the same thing to others to let them do great acts. That is definitely not a theory though, just a fun and slightly ridiculous backstory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu he/him Posted March 4, 2017 Report Share Posted March 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Extesian said: Yeah I have this soap opera quasi messianic idea stuck in my head that Vo was the first Returned because he was Endowment's godly son, was killed and in desperation she used her power to restore his life not realizing (or being bound in nature) that he would die after a week without someone else's sacrifice of Breath. And that since then in some desire to honor his memory and such she does the same thing to others to let them do great acts. That is definitely not a theory though, just a fun and slightly ridiculous backstory. Honestly, I don't even know how ridiculous that is. It might not be what Brandon is planning (in fact it probably isn't), but it's awesome nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I've wondered about this since I read WOK where the Stormfather calls Kaladin "child of Tanavast, child of Honor, child of one long since departed". Now Kaladin can't literally be Tanavast's son, given that Tanavast's been dead for a really long time, but I wonder if he might be a distant descendant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Snow he/him Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I always took that line to reference the fact that Honor created Humans on Roshar. Iirc Shards made humans on the planets they visited basing them on the humans of Yolen (I can't remember where I read this so if it's wrong please correct me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Matt Snow said: I always took that line to reference the fact that Honor created Humans on Roshar. Iirc Shards made humans on the planets they visited basing them on the humans of Yolen (I can't remember where I read this so if it's wrong please correct me). Personally, I doubt that Honor created the humans on Roshar. The usage of the title feels more symbolic and more with the intent of falling in line with Kaladin's beliefs, as Vorinism believes that the Almighty created humans, and the Stormfather, is in part, manipulated by people's cognitive impression of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kered he/him Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Wait a second, I thought I read somewhere that Vasher was Austere and has been around much longer than the other Scholars. Is this not the case? Nvm, just did some research on Coppermind. Edited March 8, 2017 by KereDerek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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