Long Game 24: The Godless City

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I feel like I'm always trying to kill people who claim Seeker/scanner. I think I've killed like, 3 or 4 already. They're always evil though! Anyways, I'm not completely sure about this, but I'm still highly suspicious of Aman. Now that he's got a scan in, if we killed him now and he turns up as village, I'd be cleared as non-Cultist and Rae would probably be soft cleared as well for saving him. I'm only saying that for the people who think he's village. I still think he's a Cultist myself.

 

[Arraenae]

6 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

I feel like I'm always trying to kill people who claim Seeker/scanner. I think I've killed like, 3 or 4 already. They're always evil though! Anyways, I'm not completely sure about this, but I'm still highly suspicious of Aman. Now that he's got a scan in, if we killed him now and he turns up as village, I'd be cleared as non-Cultist and Rae would probably be soft cleared as well for saving him. I'm only saying that for the people who think he's village. I still think he's a Cultist myself.

 

You really, really want him dead...

[Elenion he/him]

I want to hear @Kipper's account of the PM with SD before I decide who it is, but one of Kipper and SD is lying, and I want to kill whoever that is. At this point the village needs transparency, seeing as the Jeskeri probably know what we all are anyway (with the possible exception of Phil the Philosopher).

7 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

I feel like I'm always trying to kill people who claim Seeker/scanner. I think I've killed like, 3 or 4 already. They're always evil though! Anyways, I'm not completely sure about this, but I'm still highly suspicious of Aman. Now that he's got a scan in, if we killed him now and he turns up as village, I'd be cleared as non-Cultist and Rae would probably be soft cleared as well for saving him. I'm only saying that for the people who think he's village. I still think he's a Cultist myself.

 

Your advocacy of lynching Aman is tactically sound, but only for you. We really don't need another dead villager.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

And why is it that you're so sure he's village Elenion? What has he done that makes you think he's village? Just because he helped you survive in a lynch? Wasn't the other person up for the lynch village? If so, then isn't that a perfect opportunity for an eliminator to swoop in and take a side, which could get him an ally?

Although, I'm not completely certain you're village yourself.

[Eolhondras he/him]

6 hours ago, Elenion said:

Well, it looks like I got ninja'd by Sart saying a similar thing, but...

I find it interesting that the Philosopher (I'll call him/her Phil) didn't make a kill last night. Either it was blocked, Phil is inactive, or they didn't want to give us any more info on who Phil couldn't be. Since no one claimed a second block on Aman and the third option is unlikely, I conclude that the Philosopher was inactive.

Looking through our list of suspects, players that I can't remember doing anything much yesterday include Alvron, Aonar, Conq, Eol, Kipper, and Bard. I'll discount Alv and Conq from the list because they're hard-cleared Pirate, leaving Aonar (claimed bodyguard), Eol (unclaimed), Kipper (unclaimed), and Bard (unclaimed).

Aonar isn't my primary choice to lynch because if he is really a bodyguard we don't want to kill him. But if he isn't, he's working with Aman.

This leaves Eol, Kipper, and Bard as my prime targets for being Phil (additionally, these players' lack of a claimed role makes me think they could also be Jeskeris). Since Kipper's already accumulated a couple of votes, I'll vote Eol and let Bard sit.

Philosopher must be inactive, because they definitely would have targeted Aman out of everyone in the game at this point, even knowing there was likely to be protection on him given Rae's chatter before role over. That's some very sketchy logic, and I don't know why you're trying to focus on the SK anyway? Trying to divert attention from a bigger threat in this game maybe?

At this point.. SD I fancy a friend if Len has his duke vote on me

[Elenion he/him]

Just now, Eolhondras said:

At this point.. SD I fancy a friend if Len has his duke vote on me

It's not; I kept it free because I am going to switch my vote to Kipper after I hear an argument from you. Kipper is much more suspicious right now.

[Eolhondras he/him]

SD

Well I'd like an argument from you explaining your use of bad logic and misdirection as opposed to my 'not doing much'. Elenion

[Sart he/him]

Alright, someone's lying about a PM. I'm going to do an analysis of Kipper.

1. First post, supposedly without looking at his role, is a condemnation of Elenion. Also says he lies as villager, which might explain what is happening now.
2. His post hadn't been approved, so two votes on Elenion were uploaded while he waited.
3. Accuses Elenion of using Gambler's Fallacy. Agrees with Wilson that Emerald is suspicious.
4. Jokes with a terrible bad pun to STINK. Boooooo...
5. Explains that STINK's actions are abnormal, even for him. Also, says he has become "more of a lurker, and more aggressive"
6. Doesn't want to summarize the thread. Fair enough.
7. Encourages bandwagon on Elenion
8. Doesn't like strange question marks from Rae.
9. In retaliation, reveals that Rae is supposedly a Neutral Beggar
10. Kipper likes hashtags.
11. More banter with STINK
12. Suspects Magestar for using inferences
13. Strongly advocates for off-topic discussion
14. Argues that slip-ups are important clues
15. Doesn't understand why Straw was lynched
16. Votes for Mailliw, claims he is a master manipulator
17. Understands why he was listed as Eliminator
18. Argues against killing Stink
19. Asks who was contacted by the Dula
20. Does not want to be scanned, claims Mailliw's list is completely false
21. Really goes after Wilson in this post:
    1. Wants a web of trust, relevant due to the Practitioner
    2. Claims he hardly asked for information
    3. Argues that outing the Dula is a good thing
22. Defensive after being accused of bandwagons by Elenion
23. Argues he wasn't bandwagoning, he was the first vote on Elenion.
24. Oh boy, another long post:
    1. Would not say an info dump is wrong if a teammate is on the list, said it was wrong because it was factually wrong.
    2. Argues against Aman suspecting him as well

Well, there's three things that strike me about his posts thus far. One, he keeps bragging about his powers as an eliminator. That's never a good sign. Two, he really attacked Elenion. If he's a Jeskeri, it's highly doubtful Elenion is. His post attacking Wilson's Dula (later to be revealed as Elb) really strikes out at me. He's arguing for a web of players, that theoretically would be targeting each other. That's a prime target for the Practitioner. He's really on my radar now, especially since we never got a role from him.

Edited August 11, 2016 by Sart
Was counting something not relevant to this particular post. My bad.

[Arraenae]

10 minutes ago, Eolhondras said:

Philosopher must be inactive, because they definitely would have targeted Aman out of everyone in the game at this point, even knowing there was likely to be protection on him given Rae's chatter before role over. That's some very sketchy logic, and I don't know why you're trying to focus on the SK anyway? Trying to divert attention from a bigger threat in this game maybe?

At this point.. SD I fancy a friend if Len has his duke vote on me

Why would the Philosopher definitely have targeted Aman? Maybe they were blocked. Maybe they have better targets. Maybe they don't want to see Aman dead, if you go by one of Lopen's conspiracy theories.

[Elenion he/him]

39 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

And why is it that you're so sure he's village Elenion? What has he done that makes you think he's village? Just because he helped you survive in a lynch? Wasn't the other person up for the lynch village? If so, then isn't that a perfect opportunity for an eliminator to swoop in and take a side, which could get him an ally?

Although, I'm not completely certain you're village yourself.

He didn't get an ally from saving me from the lynch because I was going to rig the supposed-to-be-tied result with my Duke vote. He got an ally because he stood up for me the next turns, at a time when if he was an elim he could have checked a doc, seen that I wasn't on his team, and sent me off to the gallows. If he was looking for a village ally, he sure got one.

1 minute ago, Eolhondras said:

Well I'd like an argument from you explaining your use of bad logic and misdirection as opposed to my 'not doing much'. Elenion

If you point out the logic you claim is flawed then I'm happy to cite its evidence. As for misdirection, I haven't used any since D1 when I claimed Pirate to Bard and Lopen when I thought they were elims.

[Arraenae]

4 minutes ago, Elenion said:

He didn't get an ally from saving me from the lynch because I was going to rig the supposed-to-be-tied result with my Duke vote. He got an ally because he stood up for me the next turns, at a time when if he was an elim he could have checked a doc, seen that I wasn't on his team, and sent me off to the gallows. If he was looking for a village ally, he sure got one.

If you point out the logic you claim is flawed then I'm happy to cite its evidence. As for misdirection, I haven't used any since D1 when I claimed Pirate to Bard and Lopen when I thought they were elims.

Sometimes, an eliminator will save a villager to get in that villager's good graces. Or maybe two villagers are up for the lynch and they just don't care who gets lynched, as long as somebody dies. Aman himself has admitted to using this strategy multiple times.

[Elenion he/him]

5 minutes ago, Sart said:

Jokes with a terrible bad pun to STINK. Boooooo...

That itself is lynching material. 

5 minutes ago, Sart said:

Claims he hardly asked for information

This I find strange for Kipper to do; he told Maill during the farewell posts that he had been using Maill's strategy for draining players of information. Slip-up>

Just now, Arraenae said:

Sometimes, an eliminator will save a villager to get in that villager's good graces. Or maybe two villagers are up for the lynch and they just don't care who gets lynched, as long as somebody dies. Aman himself has admitted to using this strategy multiple times.

He couldn't have saved me because I was never in much danger due to my Duke vote. If I was allowed to quote our PM I could actually quote a post where I jokingly accused him of messing up my plans for dramatic lynch intervention. But yes, there is a chance that I've been played. However, I think there's a higher chance that he's Village.

[Arraenae]

3 hours ago, TheSilverDragon said:

Ok, I don't have a pm with you, and I doubled checked. I am really confused right now and want an answer why you would blatantly lie about being in a pm with me!!? 

Kipper. I'm putting this vote on until I get an explanation. @Kipper, I know you're not on right now and you're still mod-queued, but I'd like to hear what you have to say about this. Somebody is lying here.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

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[Young Bard he/him]

15 hours ago, Elenion said:

Well, it looks like I got ninja'd by Sart saying a similar thing, but...

I find it interesting that the Philosopher (I'll call him/her Phil) didn't make a kill last night. Either it was blocked, Phil is inactive, or they didn't want to give us any more info on who Phil couldn't be. Since no one claimed a second block on Aman and the third option is unlikely, I conclude that the Philosopher was inactive.

Looking through our list of suspects, players that I can't remember doing anything much yesterday include Alvron, Aonar, Conq, Eol, Kipper, and Bard. I'll discount Alv and Conq from the list because they're hard-cleared Pirate, leaving Aonar (claimed bodyguard), Eol (unclaimed), Kipper (unclaimed), and Bard (unclaimed).

Aonar isn't my primary choice to lynch because if he is really a bodyguard we don't want to kill him. But if he isn't, he's working with Aman.

This leaves Eol, Kipper, and Bard as my prime targets for being Phil (additionally, these players' lack of a claimed role makes me think they could also be Jeskeris). Since Kipper's already accumulated a couple of votes, I'll vote Eol and let Bard sit.

Burnt or Lopen can confirm that I'm not the Philosopher. I claimed to both of them towards the beginning of this cycle.

Silver Dragon. We have two conflicting stories, and yet 2 votes appear on Kipper compared to none on SD after the conflicting stories were heard (not counting Eol's, since they were retracted, despite Silver's original argument being fairly hypocritical, talking about Kipper's lurking (and I know I'm not one to talk this game either), which is a fairly common trait for Kipper, I understand.

Don't get me wrong - I actually do find Kipper suspicious. But I find the lack of talk on SD interesting. I also wouldn't put it past the Jeskeri to use it as a distancing tactic to soft-clear one of their players. I think both of those players need to be looked at equally carefully. I thoroughly recommend everybody scan whoever isn't lynched, as I find them both fairly suspicious at the minute.

[STINK he/him]

Silver Dragon

Finally remembered how to properly do it

[TheSilverDragon he/him]

18 hours ago, Kipper said:

32 minutes ago, The Young Bard said:

Burnt or Lopen can confirm that I'm not the Philosopher. I claimed to both of them towards the beginning of this cycle.

Silver Dragon. We have two conflicting stories, and yet 2 votes appear on Kipper compared to none on SD after the conflicting stories were heard (not counting Eol's, since they were retracted, despite Silver's original argument being fairly hypocritical, talking about Kipper's lurking (and I know I'm not one to talk this game either), which is a fairly common trait for Kipper, I understand.

Don't get me wrong - I actually do find Kipper suspicious. But I find the lack of talk on SD interesting. I also wouldn't put it past the Jeskeri to use it as a distancing tactic to soft-clear one of their players. I think both of those players need to be looked at equally carefully. I thoroughly recommend everybody scan whoever isn't lynched, as I find them both fairly suspicious at the minute.

Ok, can't get rid of the quote box. I feel like the only reason there's no talk about lynching me is because everyone is waiting for kipper to explain why he claims to have a pm with me. I would have removed my vote from kipper once people explained that he usually lurks, but I didn't know that when I posted. Now I think he is defiantly evil because he is lying, or he has some reason why he would think that lying tonight me lynched is a good idea

[Young Bard he/him]

I started typing up a response, but I'm tired and I'm going to get about 6 hours of sleep as it is, so I'll respond in the morning.

[Elenion he/him]

4 hours ago, The Young Bard said:

Silver Dragon. We have two conflicting stories, and yet 2 votes appear on Kipper compared to none on SD after the conflicting stories were heard (not counting Eol's, since they were retracted, despite Silver's original argument being fairly hypocritical, talking about Kipper's lurking (and I know I'm not one to talk this game either), which is a fairly common trait for Kipper, I understand.

I'm not sure where you're getting this from; at the time you logged on there were 2 on SD.

Eol. Kipper. Suddenly SD is up to 4 votes from what appears to be little more than a Kipper smear tactic. I'm not liking the look of this.

[STINK he/him]

Uh, you sure trust SD a lot Elenion. Also i did it before it became cool woop woop.

Seriously though, Kipper said one thing and SD said something else, and it's a smear tactic? #Kip4Pres

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Probably 100% accurate vote tally:

Kipper(4): SD, Sart, Rae, Len
SD(3): Kipper, Bard, Stink
Aman(1): Lopen
Len(1): Eol

Between Kipper and SD, I'd probably say lynch Kipper. But I don't think we should lynch either of them, tbh. I'd much prefer to lynch one of @Amanuensis, @Arraenae, @Sart, or @OrlokTsubodai.

Aman, because, my gut tells me he's evil(most of the time. The rest of the time I feel very confused).
Rae, because she's been kind of shady this whole game. I thought she was village based on her PM thing with Silverblade way back that one time, but, I just recalled that the Cultist win con involves killing off other eliminators, so her trying to catch SB in a lie doesn't necessarily mean she was doing it with village intentions.
Sart, because I don't really believe his claim of Pirate all that much(too bad Araris isn't around anymore to lynch all the Pirates ).
Orlok, because he has been really quiet this game, with hardly any explanation(I don't remember much at least. I should go back through all of his posts though.). If Aman is village, then I'd be that much more suspicious of him, because having a Legionnaire would be a great way to protect an elim from getting scanned.

There's still some other players I'd like to hear from about the lynch though. We still have waaaay too many lurkers around. Seriously people. We've lost 12 villagers and haven't killed a single eliminator yet. I feel like we should be exhibiting more of a sense of urgency than we're showing right now and if we keep up this lack of concern, we'll undoubtedly lose. I know I'm always poking lurkers, but this Cycle and the next are extremely crucial(thankfully no one died last Night, so this lynch is sort of like a freebie).

[Elenion he/him]

13 minutes ago, STINK said:

Uh, you sure trust SD a lot Elenion. Also i did it before it became cool woop woop.

Seriously though, Kipper said one thing and SD said something else, and it's a smear tactic? #Kip4Pres

I call smear tactic because I know SD's PM habits, since I'm actually on his PM list. If he didn't deny having a PM with me while I was under suspicion, he wouldn't deny having a PM with Kipper when he was under suspicion. There are 2 probable situations: either Kipper's trying to smear SD, or they're both in a doc and SD doesn't want to admit that they've been communicating. Either way, Kipper's an elim.

However, if Kipper somehow turns out village, SD's up for my vote next Day cycle.

[STINK he/him]

You know his PM habits? What?

[Arraenae]

3 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Rae, because she's been kind of shady this whole game. I thought she was village based on her PM thing with Silverblade way back that one time, but, I just recalled that the Cultist win con involves killing off other eliminators, so her trying to catch SB in a lie doesn't necessarily mean she was doing it with village intentions.

Can you elaborate on the shadiness part?

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Just now, Arraenae said:

Can you elaborate on the shadiness part?

I don't know. Just usual shady stuff, y'know?

Nah, actually what I meant by that was that a few villagers that are dead were suspicious of you and how you were claiming Neutral Beggar earlier and stuff and also I mean that I had sort of an evil read on you early on and lately, but like I mentioned, that PM thing with SB had made me change my opinion for a bit.