Long Game 24: The Godless City

[Arraenae]

26 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Bah.... hrmm.....hrmmm...hrmm...huhrm... bah.. baaaaah. Hrmph.

Maybe? Very indecisive here. Hrmm... hrmmm....hrmm....Idk?

Hello! I am Arraenae, your interpreter to this mysterious and exotic language of Burnt Spaghetti.

"Bah" indicates medium to low annoyance. Repetition of the letter "a" is likely do to keyboard-mashing on the part of a very grumpy Burnt Spaghetti.

"Hrmm" and all variations indicate thinking. The more "m"s at the end, the more thinking Burnt Spaghetti is doing. Thus, "hrmmm" indicates more thought than "hrmm".

The variation "huhrm" is a very difficult sound to make, and thus is more commonly used in written Burnt Spaghetti than spoken Burnt Spaghetti. This indicates self-consciousness and the desire to write aesthetically different words. "Huhrm" is often used in conjunction with multiple "hrmm"s.

The grammar structure of sentences in Burnt Spaghetti is similar to a truncated sentence in English. When referring to oneself in Burnt Spaghetti, the subject of the sentence is dropped. The dotdotdot structure, formally known as the ellipsis, is a common sentence structure in Burnt Spaghetti. Dotdotdots are often uses to express a medium-length pause, or the end of a line of thought. In this case, the dotdotdot structure is used as the former.

This has been your daily interpretation of Burnt Spaghetti. Thank you for listening, and have a good day.

 

Sorry, I couldn't resist. 

[Elenion he/him]

Just now, Arraenae said:

Hello! I am Arraenae, your interpreter to this mysterious and exotic language of Burnt Spaghetti.

"Bah" indicates medium to low annoyance. Repetition of the letter "a" is likely do to keyboard-mashing on the part of a very grumpy Burnt Spaghetti.

"Hrmm" and all variations indicate thinking. The more "m"s at the end, the more thinking Burnt Spaghetti is doing. Thus, "hrmmm" indicates more thought than "hrmm".

The variation "huhrm" is a very difficult sound to make, and thus is more commonly used in written Burnt Spaghetti than spoken Burnt Spaghetti. This indicates self-consciousness and the desire to write aesthetically different words. "Huhrm" is often used in conjunction with multiple "hrmm"s.

The grammar structure of sentences in Burnt Spaghetti is similar to a truncated sentence in English. When referring to oneself in Burnt Spaghetti, the subject of the sentence is dropped. The dotdotdot structure, formally known as the ellipsis, is a common sentence structure in Burnt Spaghetti. Dotdotdots are often uses to express a medium-length pause, or the end of a line of thought. In this case, the dotdotdot structure is used as the former.

This has been your daily interpretation of Burnt Spaghetti. Thank you for listening, and have a good day.

 

Sorry, I couldn't resist. 

With the aid of my mystical textbooks I think I can translate!

Bah.... hrmm.....hrmmm...hrmm...huhrm... bah.. baaaaah. Hrmph.

Maybe? Very indecisive here. Hrmm... hrmmm....hrmm....Idk?

Means:

Grrr.... they... suspect... will... kill me... grrr... grrrrrrr... this is very poor.

Maybe I can weasel out? Dunno. Hmmmm.... I'm toast... how to survive... no idea.

[Conquestor he/him]

Two evils one night. The village deserves a party, however, there are still some eliminators, so, no party yet.

[STINK he/him]

Lol couldn't even get Burnt to kill SD for me, and it would've helped her!

[Arraenae]

I'll be out for most of today, so don't expect me to respond to anything until maybe 9-10 PM PDT.

I think we should take a look at who Kipper has interacted with. I think Len is soft-cleared because of the way Kipper voted on him in the beginning.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Well guys! Guess what? My scan says Kipper is an Eliminator!

Oh. Wait. He's already dead.

@STINK Did you kill Kipper? I would assume Burnt did, but that doesn't really make sense considering she could only win with the eliminators.

EDIT: Just realized it's a day turn and I can ask that question in our PM.

Edited August 13, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Quick update guys.

Emerald died of Inactivity! He was a Citizen Bodyguard!

Player list:

Sart
Alvron
Lopen
STINK
Elenion
Arraenae
Eolhondras
Conquestor
Amanuensis
Aonar Faileas
OrlokTsubodai
The Young Bard

[STINK he/him]

Lol I haven't had a kill since I killed Elb. I'm blaming the fact that her ghost is following me around now.

[Arraenae]

Ooh, look, I got a phone!

Today is Day 6, a multiple of three. The new JP will attack tonight. I suggest that we try not to target other people today to minimize chain deaths.

@The Only Joe, if player A targets player B during the day and Player A is attacked  by the JP, will Player B also die?

[Amanuensis he/him]

And another Citizen Bodyguard has died =\

So since the original Practitioner is dead now, that means an Acolyte has taken his role. I already brought this up last turn, but I'll bring it up again since it's pretty relevant. I'm guessing that there are multiple acolytes because of the following quote:

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The Secret Role Jeskeri Practitioner has been revealed. Jeskeri Practitioners may target one player every 3rd night. That player is killed, as is Every player that player targets, and every player that targets that player. If the Practitioner dies, a Jeskeri Acolyte ascends to become a Practitioner.

The only role that has several alive right now (according to write-up evidence and claims) is "Pirate". Both Alvron and Conquestor were proven to have an extra life from the attacks on them N2, and Sart has openly claimed it in thread. Of the three, I think I trust Sart the most. I can tell his recent posts have nothing but good intent in them. I have mixed feelings about Alv (he's the one claiming a Neutral role that can only win if he "see's the Cultists die" and that if he gets scanned by a Dula the result will lie and say he is evil). I have no PM with Conq and he's been borderline inactive this game, so I don't really have a read on him at all, which might be the intent behind his lurking. I'm not sure which one I want to vote for, if I'm honest. If Alv is telling the truth then he might as well be a villager considering his win con, and I'd like to help him achieve it like I did for Stink, but since we already have evidence of one Jeskeri (Kipper) lying about being Neutral, it's very possible that Alv is doing the same thing to discourage villagers / Dulas from interacting with him.

Eh, Conq. @Conquestor, I know I'm not really giving you much to defend here (I'll probably go back and analyze your posts at some point, unless @Sart wants to do it), but do you have anything to say that might convince me you're a Citizen? And if you're not Jeskeri, do you have any ideas who might be?

Also, I'll bring this up tonight, but obviously no one should use their power, except maybe Lopen. If no one acts, there's no way the Jeskeri can kill more than one person. @The Only Joe, if the Practitioner attacks the Bodyguard and the Bodyguard protects themselves, does the Bodyguard get attacked twice and thus die anyway?

Edited August 13, 2016 by Amanuensis
Forgot my vote

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

26 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

 

@The Only Joe, if player A targets player B during the day and Player A is attacked  by the JP, will Player B also die?

Only Night actions count for the Chain

18 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

 @The Only Joe, if the Practitioner attacks the Bodyguard and the Bodyguard protects themselves, does the Bodyguard get attacked twice and thus die anyway?

Yes.

[Elenion he/him]

5 hours ago, Arraenae said:

I'll be out for most of today, so don't expect me to respond to anything until maybe 9-10 PM PDT.

I think we should take a look at who Kipper has interacted with. I think Len is soft-cleared because of the way Kipper voted on him in the beginning.

Thanks.

I have a lead on possible Jeskeri PM-monitoring: the only way that it would work anonymously is if the GM copied a transcript from the PM into another PM or the Jeskeri doc. Since Lopen and my PM hasn't been read by Joe in days, I know that the plans we're developing are secure.

Speaking of plans, Lopen and I are working on something now. It should be worked out as soon as Lopen gets back online.

[STINK he/him]

Aw, you and Lopen are so adorable!

[Sart he/him]

Role List:

• Alvron: Retired Pirate
• Amanuensis: Dula
• Aonar: Beggar => Bodyguard
• Arraenae: Beggar => Bodyguard
• Conquestor: Retired Pirate
• Elenion: Duke
• Eolhondras: Unclaimed
• Lopen: Chay-Shan
• Orlok: Legionnaire
• Sart: Sarrrrr!
• Stink: Mad Prince
• The Young Bard: Unclaimed

So, we definitely made great progress last night. However, we still need to kill the Acolyte(s). Eolhondras and The Young Bard haven't revealed their role to the thread. One of them is the second Chay-Shan, which means they've killed an Eliminator. I'm still guessing that's Bard, but I would like confirmation on that. That would leave Eolhondras as the last player whose role is not known. It seems like a good place for the team to hide. I'm also suspicious of Aonar. Both he and Rae are claiming Beggar turned Bodyguard, which strikes me as a little odd. I know Rae is mostly confirmed by healing Aman, but I don't know of any such evidence for Aonar.

[STINK he/him]

Alright this thread is like officially dead why you guys gotta scheme all the time

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I still am fairly confident that Aman is Jeskeri. Can we please lynch him now? I don't understand how everyone seems to think he's village, since he hasn't really done anything to suggest he is, IMO.

As far as everyone else goes, I trust Elenion, Rae, and Sart. Aonar, I still suspect as well. He's claimed Pirate to me, but that he claimed Beggar turned Bodyguard to people he didn't trust. Eol has claimed to me, but it's not proven by anything. Bard has also claimed to me and has proven his role pretty much. He's not a ChayShan. I think Burnt might have killed Kipper, although I suggested Aonar, so I'm not really sure.

My suspicions, in order of most suspicious to least:

Aman - Dula? Maybe. Still think he's a Cultist, based on a strong eliminator read. Also helped lynch SD over Kipper and helped put out the idea that Kipper shouldn't be killed because of his role.
Aonar - Pirate? I doubt it. I'd guess Acolyte, although it's hard to tell with him, because he's been lurking quite a bit. He did vote on Aman way back on Day 3 or 4, but, even if Aman is a Cultist, I think it was a distancing tactic.
Orlok - Legionnaire. Probably. Although he's also been lurking a ton. He was posting in QF17, but not here for some reason. I'd really like an explanation from him about that. It doesn't seem like him to not show up for a week or however long it's been since he lasted posted in this game.
Eol - Claimed to me last Day Turn. I kind of believe it, but I'm not really sure. He hasn't been involved in discussion all that much and he helped keep Aman alive from the lynch earlier, and that's basically all of my reasoning for suspecting him.
Conquestor - He's also a bit of a lurker. I haven't really read his comments as evil, but, he's someone who hasn't really done a whole lot this game, so he's still on the list of potential eliminators.
Alvron - He's Alv. Hard to tell either way, although at one point, he was confused about the Jeskeri kill rules and it seemed genuine to me, so I have more of a village read on him. Or at least, non Jeskeri.
Bard - I've had a medium to strong non-elim read on him pretty much the whole game. He's been a bit quieter than normal however, and he's also voted in ways I don't like, but overall, the tone of his posts and my PM with him has given me a good read.

Here ya go Stink. Have a nice medium length post just for you that I totally typed up because I saw your post. 

[STINK he/him]

Thanks Lopen, you're so kind

[Sart he/him]

Alright then. That's helped to clarify matters some. I can't find the quote, but I know Aman claimed that he had been contacted by the second Chay-Shan practitioner. We also know...

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Aside from Kipper and Stink, there's three more players claiming Neutral. One of those I trust absolutely... I won't say anymore than that; the other two, I don't feel similarly about. One has claimed he's just an ordinary survivor, except that if he gets scanned, he'll come back as an eliminator. It's not unheard of it mafia games (google "Miller + mafiascum" if you want an example), but I don't know if I buy it. The second has claimed a Neutral role that allows them to scan other people's roles. The catch is, if he scans a role that hasn't been revealed in a write up yet, it will come back unknown. If this player is telling the truth, we could use him to check if someone else we think is suspicious is the Practitioner / not what they say they are.

The Miller is Alvron according to Aman's most recent post. The Young Bard is apparently not the second Chay-Shan, so that would fit him into a Neutral role. Since his role has been proven to Lopen, I'm guessing he is the role scanner. STINK or Aman, what was Burnt claiming? If I had to guess, I'm betting she was claiming Chay-Shan, meaning that there never was a third one. That leaves Eolhondras as the neutral role that Aman trusts absolutely. Mind if I ask why? Aman, why do you trust a neutral so completely? Eolhondras, what exactly is your win condition? I need answers.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

52 minutes ago, Sart said:

Alright then. That's helped to clarify matters some. I can't find the quote, but I know Aman claimed that he had been contacted by the second Chay-Shan practitioner. We also know...

The Miller is Alvron according to Aman's most recent post. The Young Bard is apparently not the second Chay-Shan, so that would fit him into a Neutral role. Since his role has been proven to Lopen, I'm guessing he is the role scanner. STINK or Aman, what was Burnt claiming? If I had to guess, I'm betting she was claiming Chay-Shan, meaning that there never was a third one. That leaves Eolhondras as the neutral role that Aman trusts absolutely. Mind if I ask why? Aman, why do you trust a neutral so completely? Eolhondras, what exactly is your win condition? I need answers.

Yes, the Miller is Alvron. Supposedly, anyways.

Burnt was claiming ChayShan yeah. She's the one who attacked Straw, Alvron, Araris, and now I guess Kipper. Later on she claimed a Neutral role that couldn't be targeted by the Jeskeri, which is what I assume Aman was referring to as to why he trusted her so much.

Eol is claiming a village role. No secret role or alignment. So far his role has not been proven.

And...yeah, I guess I kinda revealed that Bard is the role scanner. Whoops. I'm not the best at keeping roles a secret when it gets late in games. To be fair, everyone's roles are basically revealed anyways though, so hopefully it doesn't matter.

I'll just do a chart to try and make things as clear as possible.

Roles:

Lopen - ChayShan. Confirmed. (Right? As far as I know my role is confirmed)
Rae - Bodyguard. Almost confirmed. Protected Aman from my attack.
Bard - Neutral? role scanner. Role scanner part pretty much confirmed.
Stink - Neutral. Mad Prince. Confirmed, obviously.
Elenion - Duke. Basically confirmed.
Alvron - Neutral? Miller. Unconfirmed.
Aman - Dula. Unconfirmed.
Aonar - Pirate or Bodyguard. Unconfirmed.
Conquestor - Pirate. Sorta confirmed, but given we know nothing of Acolytes or what roles are around, it's not 100% confirmed.
Eol - Village role that is unconfirmed.
Orlok - Legionnaire. Practically confirmed.
Sart - Pirate. Unconfirmed.

[Sart he/him]

Lopen, I should be headed off to bed, but I just want to let you know, if Aman's Jeskeri, Orlok is nowhere near confirmed. The only evidence we have he's a Legionnaire is that he jailed Aman night one. After that, he's apparently been jailing himself. If your hunch is right, then Orlok's claim falls apart at the seams.

[Arraenae]

@The Only Joe, why is Burnt's immunity to Jeskeri actions an "updated rule" instead of being part of her role?

If anyone besides Len claims Duke or is scanned as Duke, they're probably Jeskeri. In SD's lynch, a Duke voted for SD. Len voted for Kipper and a Duke vote also appeared on Kipper, so the Duke vote on SD was probably not Len. We know Kipper was a JP, so the unknown Duke was probably trying to save their teammate.

People who voted for SD last cycle: Kipper (obviously), Bard, Stink (needed to kill all Nobles), Aman, Burnt (Derethi), me, Duke (probably Jeskeri).

People who voted on SD: SD (obviously), Len, Sart, Noble (SD), Duke (99.99% sure is Len)

EDIT: The vote was 7 on SD vs 5 on Kipper. Without the unknown Duke vote on SD, the vote would be 6 on SD to 5 on Kipper. The Jeskeri didn't need to put the Duke vote on SD, assuming that the unknown Duke is a Jeskeri. Maybe they wanted an extra safety net just in case of last minute vote changes? Maybe the Jeskeri didn't have an updated vote tally and piled everything they had to save SD? Maybe the unknown Duke wasn't on for rollover?

I think Len is pretty much as cleared from being Jeskeri as a live player can get. Kipper tried to kill him, and Len voted twice on Kipper. I doubt the Jeskeri sacrificed Kipper to clear Len. Len seems overly eager to survive, so I'm not sure if he's village, but he is definitely not Jeskeri.

Some Jeskeri might have voted on Kipper to distance themselves, but I doubt it.

EDIT: I suggest we look more closely at the people who voted on SD, except for Stink. He had obvious reasons to kill SD. That means you should focus your attention on Bard, Aman, and I.

Edited August 14, 2016 by Arraenae
Adding thoughts in a way that won't be eaten by the refresh monster

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

26 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

@The Only Joe, why is Burnt's immunity to Jeskeri actions an "updated rule" instead of being part of her role?

Burnt did not know she was immune to the Jeskeri actions, until The Jeskeri Faction was revealed. There are secret interaction dealing with how roles interact with secret roles. As soon as a Secret role is revelealed, all secret interactions with that role will be revealed as well.

[Elenion he/him]

21 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

@The Only Joe, why is Burnt's immunity to Jeskeri actions an "updated rule" instead of being part of her role?

If anyone besides Len claims Duke or is scanned as Duke, they're probably Jeskeri. In SD's lynch, a Duke voted for SD. Len voted for Kipper and a Duke vote also appeared on Kipper, so the Duke vote on SD was probably not Len. We know Kipper was a JP, so the unknown Duke was probably trying to save their teammate.

People who voted for SD last cycle: Kipper (obviously), Bard, Stink (needed to kill all Nobles), Aman, Burnt (Derethi), me, Duke (probably Jeskeri).

People who voted on SD: SD (obviously), Len, Sart, Noble (SD), Duke (99.99% sure is Len)

EDIT: The vote was 7 on SD vs 5 on Kipper. Without the unknown Duke vote on SD, the vote would be 6 on SD to 5 on Kipper. The Jeskeri didn't need to put the Duke vote on SD, assuming that the unknown Duke is a Jeskeri. Maybe they wanted an extra safety net just in case of last minute vote changes? Maybe the Jeskeri didn't have an updated vote tally and piled everything they had to save SD? Maybe the unknown Duke wasn't on for rollover?

I think Len is pretty much as cleared from being Jeskeri as a live player can get. Kipper tried to kill him, and Len voted twice on Kipper. I doubt the Jeskeri sacrificed Kipper to clear Len. Len seems overly eager to survive, so I'm not sure if he's village, but he is definitely not Jeskeri.

Some Jeskeri might have voted on Kipper to distance themselves, but I doubt it.

EDIT: I suggest we look more closely at the people who voted on SD, except for Stink. He had obvious reasons to kill SD. That means you should focus your attention on Bard, Aman, and I.

Here's the thing with the Duke votes:

My Duke vote went on Kipper, HOWEVER I attempted to switch both it and my normal vote to SD at the last second because I was convinced that Kipper's role would have taken me down with him. I got a PM confirmation from Joe that my vote switch was NOT in time, so the Duke vote on Kipper was mine.

I think the Duke vote on SD was STINK using his day ability, seeing as he had both means and motive to do it.

Right now, I'm most suspicious of Bard. From the beginning I read elim on him; that's why I told him Pirate D2. He voted for SD, further making him suspicious. But my most danging () evidence is right here, when he tried to get me lynched on a lie. I countered with proof here, but I was suspicious at the time and so I didn't get the support I needed.

[STINK he/him]

Lens right guys, I was thinking second duke/noble/other day role the whole time!

[Conquestor he/him]

Sorry, I haven't been on, I had a service project, a party, and some family time yesterday, so, I didn't get very much time for SE. Anyways, I still think that Aman  is evil and might be the last Jeskeri. I don't know how many Jeskeri there are, but I don't think there would be very many, you know with the likely hood that there is probably one more elimination faction.