Question 19

[Blackhoof]

Comatose: To defend Chasm a bit, I think the vanilla's response makes sense. Given that they had just seen Chasmfiend slaughter a hundred or so people and ghouls, and there still might be more ghouls running around, and they are shocked and terrified at these inexplicable rage cannibals attacking them, I think seeking the protection of an Epic makes sense. And how do you get an Epic on your side? Pledge loyalty to it. Then Chasm can protect them from any more ghouls and is less likely to kill them in return, at least until the security arrives.

Edited May 14, 2016 by Blackhoof

[Edgedancer he/him]

Good to have you back, Comatose.

Comatose: To defend Chasm a bit, I think the vanilla's response makes sense. Given that they had just seen Chasmfiend slaughter a hundred or so people and ghouls, and there still might be more ghouls running around, and they are shocked and terrified at these inexplicable rage cannibals attacking them, I think seeking the protection of an Epic makes sense. And how do you get an Epic on your side? Pledge loyalty to it. Then Chasm can protect them from any more ghouls and is less likely to kill them in return, at least until the security arrives.

True enough, rules kind of go out of the window in life or death situation. Now, he shouldn't expect to keep them but that's for another time.

[Blackhoof]

Another Iconoclast post up, where Mr Clast continues to inspire a mix of humour, revulsion and pathos all at once.

[Edgedancer he/him]

Another Iconoclast post up, where Mr Clast continues to inspire a mix of humour, revulsion and pathos all at once.

Well, now i understand why young Clastine is so adverse to parent teacher meetings.

I enjoyed it though.

[Blackhoof]

Iconoclast is a fantastic character and a delight to read. He's not merely a destructive, chaotic force; he's a person with emotional depth that makes his story all the more compelling. I think it's great that your character is so much more than the atrocities that he leaves in his wake.

Awesome post, Blackhoof.

edit: Blackhoof, where can I find your writeup of Iconoclast's backstory, involving his wife and everything? I know that I've read it before, but can't seem to remember where it is.

 

aww shucks :3 thank you

 

Hmm, good question, I thought it was in his Epics of Oregon entry but it isn't. I'll have a look for it.

 

Ah! found it- in the RP Wiki  

http://what-happened-in-oregon-rp.wikia.com/wiki/Iconoclast

 

I also posted it in one of the Question threads while he was still in development.

 

Well, now i understand why young Clastine is so adverse to parent teacher meetings.

I enjoyed it though.

 

Icon: Tell me, why did my daughter fail english?

Teacher: Uh... well... I.... oh my god is that the severed head of the maths teacher!?

Icon: She failed maths too.

[Mckeedee123 he/him]

Comatose: To defend Chasm a bit, I think the vanilla's response makes sense. Given that they had just seen Chasmfiend slaughter a hundred or so people and ghouls, and there still might be more ghouls running around, and they are shocked and terrified at these inexplicable rage cannibals attacking them, I think seeking the protection of an Epic makes sense. And how do you get an Epic on your side? Pledge loyalty to it. Then Chasm can protect them from any more ghouls and is less likely to kill them in return, at least until the security arrives.

 

I don't suppose I think that Chasmfiend belongs in Corvallis in his current state either, both because he's way too powerful for the city (and probably for the RP in general) and because he doesn't really compromise to fit into the city's structure, but that's actually a pretty good point. This could represent the beginning of a new era in the Corvallis thread, where the chaos in the city causes things to become increasingly decentralized. Epics and vanillas start forming their own little militias and gangs to defend themselves from all of these ethereal threats, and the government is forced to compromise with these factions because there's just too much going on to pick fights with the groups that are only subverting its power passively. Eventually, the city reaches its breaking point, and the government falls apart, leaving just these groups.

[Voidus]

I don't suppose I think that Chasmfiend belongs in Corvallis in his current state either, both because he's way too powerful for the city (and probably for the RP in general) and because he doesn't really compromise to fit into the city's structure, but that's actually a pretty good point. This could represent the beginning of a new era in the Corvallis thread, where the chaos in the city causes things to become increasingly decentralized. Epics and vanillas start forming their own little militias and gangs to defend themselves from all of these ethereal threats, and the government is forced to compromise with these factions because there's just too much going on to pick fights with the groups that are only subverting its power passively. Eventually, the city reaches its breaking point, and the government falls apart, leaving just these groups.

I wouldn't say he's that powerful, certainly not compared to the entire government. And Corvallis is a bit too strictly organized to not have a failsafe in the event of eventual defeat, if Rainmaker was really losing a grip on the city she could just destroy the whole place without all that much difficulty.

[Edgedancer he/him]

I wouldn't say he's that powerful, certainly not compared to the entire government. And Corvallis is a bit too strictly organized to not have a failsafe in the event of eventual defeat, if Rainmaker was really losing a grip on the city she could just destroy the whole place without all that much difficulty.

That and if Chasmfiend ever annoys Rainmaker she's pretty much certain to trigger his weakness, even by pure accident, meaning that he has zero chance to actually oppose her.

[Mckeedee123 he/him]

I wouldn't say he's that powerful, certainly not compared to the entire government. And Corvallis is a bit too strictly organized to not have a failsafe in the event of eventual defeat, if Rainmaker was really losing a grip on the city she could just destroy the whole place without all that much difficulty.

 

Well, the militias wouldn't really be setting themselves up against the government, in theory. They'd just be created so that people could defend themselves without relying on the government or their own, individual strength. Normally, the government probably wouldn't like it, but with all of the chaos, fighting their own citizens in addition to these external threats wouldn't be preferable to just letting them exist for the moment.

 

Is that Corvallis' endgame? We have Rainmaker destroy the town at the end?  I wasn't around when the thread was created.

[Voidus]

Well, the militias wouldn't really be setting themselves up against the government, in theory. They'd just be created so that people could defend themselves without relying on the government or their own, individual strength. Normally, the government probably wouldn't like it, but with all of the chaos, fighting their own citizens in addition to these external threats wouldn't be preferable to just letting them exist for the moment.

 

Is that Corvallis' endgame? We have Rainmaker destroy the town at the end?  I wasn't around when the thread was created.

There'd need to be an awful lot of chaos to keep them distracted enough, the government just has more Epics to deal with problems that there are antagonists to make problems so there's bound to be someone free to put down a militia or two.

Well it's sort of the whole RPs endgame, not Rainmaker necessarily but eventually the state is going to get destroyed. But no, there were no plans that I know of for that, it just seems like the logical move if it seemed the government was losing the city.

[Edgedancer he/him]

There'd need to be an awful lot of chaos to keep them distracted enough, the government just has more Epics to deal with problems that there are antagonists to make problems so there's bound to be someone free to put down a militia or two.

Well it's sort of the whole RPs endgame, not Rainmaker necessarily but eventually the state is going to get destroyed. But no, there were no plans that I know of for that, it just seems like the logical move if it seemed the government was losing the city.

Yeah, having some experience with that from Astoria, I can say that just not crushing any singular enemy that shows up can sometimes actually take more effort to justify than letting them get away and human millitias don't rank very highly on the threat scale.

 

Yeah, that's one of the parts we need to step up as well. I mean, at least Lucentia destroyed one building in the last post but that isn't that much in the grand scale of things.

[Blackhoof]

Hear that guys, we need to destroy more things!

 

Challenge accepted!

I'll write a Corpsemaker scene soonish with some destruction for us all

[Voidus]

Yeah, having some experience with that from Astoria, I can say that just not crushing any singular enemy that shows up can sometimes actually take more effort to justify than letting them get away and human millitias don't rank very highly on the threat scale.

 

Yeah, that's one of the parts we need to step up as well. I mean, at least Lucentia destroyed one building in the last post but that isn't that much in the grand scale of things.

Well if anyone wanted to I have some plans for inflicting large-scale destruction in Portland and the Dalles at least. Although the Portland one would either need a fair bit of set up if I do it one way or else approval from a few different people.

[Edgedancer he/him]

Hear that guys, we need to destroy more things!

 

Challenge accepted!

I'll write a Corpsemaker scene soonish with some destruction for us all

Perfect.

To be entirely honest, I'm kind of tempted for Lucentia to notice how everyone of Corpsemaker's Epics seems to be out on a mission and just crush the armory on her own to give him the finger.

 

Well if anyone wanted to I have some plans for inflicting large-scale destruction in Portland and the Dalles at least. Although the Portland one would either need a fair bit of set up if I do it one way or else approval from a few different people.

You're thinking about the MV plan?

[Voidus]

Perfect.

To be entirely honest, I'm kind of tempted for Lucentia to notice how everyone of Corpsemaker's Epics seems to be out on a mission and just crush the armory on her own to give him the finger.

 

You're thinking about the MV plan?

That would actually be a good way to start off my plan too

That's one of them, though it needs a bit of set up and I'd be basically throwing away her entire character since she'd rend so bad that there's very little chance she'd leave alive pretty much anyone she's interacted with.

[Edgedancer he/him]

That would actually be a good way to start off my plan too

That's one of them, though it needs a bit of set up and I'd be basically throwing away her entire character since she'd rend so bad that there's very little chance she'd leave alive pretty much anyone she's interacted with.

Frankly, both Corpsemaker and Lightwards made a pretty big strategic blunder by leaving their heaquarters without sufficient defenses.

 

Not sure if that would be worth it actually, especially given that just letting it drop without her stepping in seems like the smaller sacrifice while giving a similair result. What are the other plans?

[Voidus]

Frankly, both Corpsemaker and Lightwards made a pretty big strategic blunder by leaving their heaquarters without sufficient defenses.

 

Not sure if that would be worth it actually, especially given that just letting it drop without her stepping in seems like the smaller sacrifice while giving a similair result. What are the other plans?

Secret.   

[Blackhoof]

Well Corpsemaker is pretty damnation arrogant

[Edgedancer he/him]

Secret.   

You old tease.

 

Well Corpsemaker is pretty damnation arrogant

Of course, the question is just if it will backfire or not.

[Voidus]

You old tease.

 

Of course, the question is just if it will backfire or not.

Well I'd have to get approval for it and I do like to keep my surprises. 

[Comatose he/him]

Comatose: To defend Chasm a bit, I think the vanilla's response makes sense. Given that they had just seen Chasmfiend slaughter a hundred or so people and ghouls, and there still might be more ghouls running around, and they are shocked and terrified at these inexplicable rage cannibals attacking them, I think seeking the protection of an Epic makes sense. And how do you get an Epic on your side? Pledge loyalty to it. Then Chasm can protect them from any more ghouls and is less likely to kill them in return, at least until the security arrives.

 

This is a good point.  I guess I'd just like to see more indication then that this is not normal.  Like maybe he notices some Vanillas hesitating, and then the others being like "Come on, you want to live right?" or something like that.  OR, keep it as is, with the understanding that the Vanillas pledged loyalty will only last until city officials come along to iron things out, and offer more permanent protection.  

 

I don't suppose I think that Chasmfiend belongs in Corvallis in his current state either, both because he's way too powerful for the city (and probably for the RP in general) and because he doesn't really compromise to fit into the city's structure, but that's actually a pretty good point. This could represent the beginning of a new era in the Corvallis thread, where the chaos in the city causes things to become increasingly decentralized. Epics and vanillas start forming their own little militias and gangs to defend themselves from all of these ethereal threats, and the government is forced to compromise with these factions because there's just too much going on to pick fights with the groups that are only subverting its power passively. Eventually, the city reaches its breaking point, and the government falls apart, leaving just these groups.

I wouldn't say he's that powerful, certainly not compared to the entire government. And Corvallis is a bit too strictly organized to not have a failsafe in the event of eventual defeat, if Rainmaker was really losing a grip on the city she could just destroy the whole place without all that much difficulty.

That and if Chasmfiend ever annoys Rainmaker she's pretty much certain to trigger his weakness, even by pure accident, meaning that he has zero chance to actually oppose her.

Well, the militias wouldn't really be setting themselves up against the government, in theory. They'd just be created so that people could defend themselves without relying on the government or their own, individual strength. Normally, the government probably wouldn't like it, but with all of the chaos, fighting their own citizens in addition to these external threats wouldn't be preferable to just letting them exist for the moment.

 

Is that Corvallis' endgame? We have Rainmaker destroy the town at the end?  I wasn't around when the thread was created.

 

See, Rainmaker would be very opposed to allowing any de-centralized form of power, so if any of these militias start forming, she'll be expelling or eliminating their leaders very quickly.  The whole point of Corvallis is that the Queens control everything, and they wouldn't have lasted this long if the allowed such factions to develop.  Portland is more the city with that sort of plot line.  

 

I'm fine with undercover or hidden factions, that outwardly pledge loyalty to the Queens and Corvallis, but secretly have other motives as they struggle for power and influence within the city, but the key here is that they are hidden and intrigue driven, and not outward showings of force.  Corvallis was originally intended to be a slower moving, politics driven thread, and thus far from Chasmfiend, we've mostly seen a bunch of killing.  I know Rainmaker is off in Rainmaker-land and is not ready to deal with the situation, but she also has powerful epics in enforcement.  So I guess one option would be for Chasmfiend's next post to include being stopped by some powerful enforcement epics from Buttercup's brigade, ordering him to stop or face Rainmaker and the Queens' wrath.  If Chasmfiend complies and goes back to his home, he'll probably get by with some sort of minor sanction (he is a high epic, after all).  Then we can proceed to get him integrated.  I'm assuming Rainmaker will want him in enforcement, since he's so powerful, depending on what Buttercup thinks of him, but if he's a loose cannon, they won't be putting him in enforcement.

 

If he resists enforcement, then things will escalate quickly, and Rainmaker will be much less forgiving.  

[Quiver he/him]

So... I need to post. But...

...I got nothin'.

[Edgedancer he/him]

So... I need to post. But...

...I got nothin'.

I was about to post the "Just do it" Shia meme... then i realized that I shouldn't encourage people to canibalism.

 

On a serious note, just listen to that teenage fangirl voice in your head and gush about how awesome Scribbler is and... whatever else it tells you to write.

Edited May 14, 2016 by Edgedancer

[The Swan Dragon he/him]

@Comatose: Feel free to PM me when you have some time to discuss Rainmaker meeting up with ThunderSpear (and probably giving him a talking-to). How would you like to do it? Post by post, or collab? Just as a recap, so far he has done the stuff at the bubble, wandered around, took some stuff from Drainer, and fought Drainer, with several vanilla witnesses and one vanilla death (or at least serious aging, I don't remember if he died)

[Quiver he/him]

I was about to post the "Just do it" Shia meme... then i realized that I shouldn't encourage people to canibalism.

 

On a serious note, just listen to that teenage fangirl voice in your head and gush about how awesome Scribbler is and... whatever else it tells you to write.

Teenage fangirl leads to a potentially suicidal option.

Clearly Lyla grew up reading Twilight.