Stormgate he/him Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I have a theory that, before it was Nightblood, the sword now called Nightblood killed Adonalsium. Nightblood is the only thing in the Cosmere that is truly end-negative (it removes Investiture from the Cosmere) so before that, it may have been really powerful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 It is stated that Nightblood doesn't destroy investiture, it simply The investiture Consumed and Leaked by it isn't in a form avaliable. But Nightblood don't destroy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18th Shard he/him Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Plus it was made by Vasher, who is a Returned. Returned are created by Endowment, who did not exist prior to the Shattering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Plus it was made by Vasher, who is a Returned. Returned are created by Endowment, who did not exist prior to the Shattering. Stormgate knows that... He said that the Sword that later Vasher (or better his wife) awakened to create Nightblood was used to kill Adonalsium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Nope. Nightblood was just a sword before being awakened. All of his powers came at that time. Now if he happened to discover time travel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uilos he/him Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) There's a recent WoB (I don't have it on me, but it's in the Cosmere page) that states the Weapon that caused the shattering was destroyed in the process.Edit: Here's the thread http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/53219-confirmation-the-weapon-that-killed-adonalsium-no-longer-exists/ Edited March 8, 2016 by Uilos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAjah he/him Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 There's a recent WoB (I don't have it on me, but it's in the Cosmere page) that states the Weapon that caused the shattering was destroyed in the process. Edit: Here's the thread http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/53219-confirmation-the-weapon-that-killed-adonalsium-no-longer-exists/ I think the quote is "no longer exists in the form it did" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAjah he/him Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I do wonder if Nightblood might be the only non-Shard thing able to kill Odium though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I think of night blood as a black hole. It doesn't destroy energy but it's pretty gonezo (or is it) I think black holes are insanely interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 It's pretty likely, I think, that Odium is going to be killed by Nightblood, for a few reasons: 1: Nightblood is currently being held by somebody who is extremely obsessed with perfect Justice under the law. 2: Nightblood wants to destroy evil, and Odium is definitely evil. 3: Nightblood is in the Roshar system, as is Odium. 4: Szeth follows Nalan, so he's basically a Radiant (almost a Radiant), and the Heralds were supposedly exiled to Damnation, which is where Odium is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted March 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 It's pretty likely, I think, that Odium is going to be killed by Nightblood, for a few reasons: 1: Nightblood is currently being held by somebody who is extremely obsessed with perfect Justice under the law. 2: Nightblood wants to destroy evil, and Odium is definitely evil. 3: Nightblood is in the Roshar system, as is Odium. 4: Szeth follows Nalan, so he's basically a Radiant (almost a Radiant), and the Heralds were supposedly exiled to Damnation, which is where Odium is. According to Sanderson and some in-world people (Khriss), no Investiture is actually evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyrindor he/him Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 But if the holder of Nightblood considered Odium to be evil, then he would be able to "destroy" it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Nightblood doesn't really know what evil is, I think. That's why he would kill him. Also, he has negative investiture so would be perfect for destroying a shard. He could take some of the shards investiture and move it out of the cosmere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaellok he/him Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 According to Sanderson and some in-world people (Khriss), no Investiture is actually evil. Odium isn't Investiture, though. Holds a whole lot of it, sure. But would be more accurately described as Investiture given the embodiment and personality of Divine Hatred. A hurricane can't be evil, but that's because it can't be alive, has no sentience, no conscious thought. If it could--well then. Odium, and all the Shardholders, seem to be much like that--self-aware, intelligent, sentient, sapient energy made manifest. (Whether Odium is actually evil or not is debatable, but I think his capacity to be evil is not.) I think that the greatest argument for Nightblood being a weapon to be used against Odium, though, is that Sanderson wrote Warbreaker in part to give Nightblood and Vasher a backstory to the events that happen on Roshar in the SA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan_sedai he/him Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 even if Nightblood doesn't destroy investiture, it destroys matter, and E=mc² (for those of you who don't know what that means, Matter is really just condensed energy, and this is where Nuclear bombs get their energy.) I have a hard time picturing Nightblood consuming that much energy, even if it goes somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 31 minutes ago, ethan_sedai said: Matter is really just condensed energy Bear in mind that in the Cosmere: Matter, Energy and Investiture are interchangeable, giving both the potential to be a type of condensed Investiture, and vice versa. Nightblood may not be able to consume that much energy, but if that energy is converted into Investiture? The potential is there, even if I doubt Brandon will ever give us the math for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForcesOfNoodles Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) Quote Blightsong How does corrupted investiture work, like Nightblood? Brandon Sanderson Oh, Nightblood. Again, this is a definition of what somebody feels is a corruption. For instance, there are spren people would feel are corrupted. But that is corruption where the mixing of different shards has changed things, and I think a lot of times when people say corruption, people are meaning the mixing of shards powers. Blightsong So is there a mixing of shards power with Nightblood? Brandon Sanderson *smirks* RAFO. That's the natural question, I'm glad you asked it. Nightblood is definitely more than just an Awakened sword, that's for sure. Vasher even admitted that it's sentience is unusual, and that he doesn't understand how Shashara did it. Quote That was the great crux of the problem, the issue that had dominated most of Vasher’s life. A thousand Breaths. That was what it took to Awaken an object of steel and give it sentience. Even Shashara hadn’t fully understood the process, though she had first devised it. It took a person who had reached the Ninth Heightening to Awaken stone or steel. Even then, this process shouldn’t have worked. It should have created an Awakened object with no more of a mind than the tassels on his cloak. Nightblood should not be alive. And yet he was. Shashara had always been the most talented of them, far more capable than Vasher himself, who had used tricks—like encasing bones in steel or stone—to make his creations. Shashara had been spurred on by the knowledge that she’d been shown up by Yesteel and the development of ichor-alcohol. She had studied, experimented, practiced. And she’d done it. She’d learned to forge the Breath of a thousand people into a piece of steel, Awaken it to sentience, and give it a Command. That single Command took on immense power, providing a foundation for the personality of the object Awakened. It sort of sounds like Shashara was being influenced by a Shard when she created Nightblood. Perhaps she was insane; we do not completely understand the circumstances of her death, only that Vasher killed her because she planned to give away the secret to Awakening steel, like she did with the one Breath Lifeless Command, which doesn't sound very sane. Then again, the Warbreaker Annotations say that Yesteel knows the secret to Awakening steel, and Idris would eventually destroy Hallandren should they go to war. Edited September 9, 2017 by ForcesOfNoodles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 On 09/03/2016 at 6:08 AM, Yata said: It is stated that Nightblood doesn't destroy investiture, it simply The investiture Consumed and Leaked by it isn't in a form avaliable. But Nightblood don't destroy it Yata, WoB: Quote QUESTION So, is Nightblood reducing the amount of Investiture in the cosmere? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes. At a very slow rate, but yes. http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt='nightblood' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Thanatos said: Yata, WoB: http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt='nightblood' This has been contradicted by other WoBs. I'll try to find the particular one that I'm thinking of, but while he does make the investiture unusable, thereby reducing the amount of investiture available to people, investiture cannot be destroyed. So he's not reducing the amount of actual investiture, just usable investiture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Calderis Yeah ive heard Brandon say investiture cannot be destroyed as well. But not the one where Nightblood makes it unusable. If you find it that would be great. It would be good if there is an easy location and search of WoB's, as the one i posted above freakin took be bout 30mins to find!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Thanatos said: Calderis Yeah ive heard Brandon say investiture cannot be destroyed as well. But not the one where Nightblood makes it unusable. If you find it that would be great. It would be good if there is an easy location and search of WoB's, as the one i posted above freakin took be bout 30mins to find!! Soon. We're working on a new WoB database connected to the Shard that's supposed to be up and running around Oathbringer's release. Chaos has a post about it in the 17th Shard forum. So pretty soon we should have a more complete WoB database, with better search functionality that doesn't require sifting through old WoT stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Thanatos said: Yata, WoB: http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt='nightblood' @Calderis already pointed out but the "reduce investiture" was clarified in another WoB (but I have problem to find it sadly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy92 Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 It seems to be the whole "energy cannot be created or destroyed, but it can change forms" science principle. Electricity can be converted to heat, which doesn't destroy the energy, but it does make the energy unusable as electricity. But we do have processes that allow us to change certain forms of energy into electricity whether it's using fossil fuels, solar energy, etc. So I wonder if the process Nightblood uses to convert Investiture from one form to another is reversible? Scientifically speaking, different types of energy can be converted back and forth using the right mechanisms. Maybe Investiture works in a similar way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan_sedai he/him Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the amount of Investiture that Nightblood drains from its holder temporarily decreases when Nightblood slices through something? if so, could someone use Nightblood entirely off of the Investiture from the matter that is gone? if not, where does the energy/matter/Investiture go? Do you guys think I should post these on the Ultimate List of Questions for Brandon? Edited September 15, 2017 by ethan_sedai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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