Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 The reason Roshar land is a huge ocean of concepts in the cognitive realm and the ocean is void of any is because inanimate water is not conceptually dense where as the Roshar Omni Beast is alive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Scadrial's cognitive realm has solid obsidian oceans too, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecohansen Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 So, one of the most famous threads in the history of this site was the discovery that the Roshar supercontinent is made from Storm-deposited crem ( http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6912-hidden-things-in-map-of-roshar/page-31#entry127467). There have since been several Words of Brandon confirming this. Of course, I guess that there is a chance that the crem was deposited pn the ak of a great beast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 There are no earth quakes on Roshar because there are no plate tectonics because the omni beast is above them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Well...what about the sea floor? Earth quakes would still cause a massive tsunami... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Well...what about the sea floor? Earth quakes would still cause a massive tsunami... the energy goes underneath the omni beast. the reason waves happen is because they can't go under continents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Perhaps Roshar is atop 3 kaijou sized skyeels atop a giant santhid underneath the ocean? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Well if this is the case, then we need to reason out how that came to be. Would you posit that Adonalsium showed up, created a giant super beast, and it just sat there with no food supply and decided it is just going to go to sleep, not move and has been ever since? True Whales can subsist on a food source far smaller than them, yet it is very prevalent. For something that size, I do not think plankton floating around would be enough lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Snow he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 What would "normal" sized Tai-na eat anyways? I mean they're big enough to hold a tribe of people, and a whole ecosystem, and they have building sized eyes! So what would something that is (at least in my mind) at least small city sized eat? Could they just not eat and, I don't know take energy directly from the plants that grow on them? Sorry if there was a WoB that I missed, I checked Coppermind to make sure but I couldn't find what they eat. That being said, even if I want this to be true, Echo's comment about the crem kinda makes me think it's unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) What would "normal" sized Tai-na eat anyways? I mean they're big enough to hold a tribe of people, and a whole ecosystem, and they have building sized eyes! So what would something that is (at least in my mind) at least small city sized eat? Could they just not eat and, I don't know take energy directly from the plants that grow on them? Sorry if there was a WoB that I missed, I checked Coppermind to make sure but I couldn't find what they eat. That being said, even if I want this to be true, Echo's comment about the crem kinda makes me think it's unlikely. Well it does help that those that inhabit the island, do feed the giant crustacean. That occurs while the trader's apprentice (forgot her name), climbs down the rope to confront it. But that does not solve the issue of what it ate before people lived on it. That solution I feel is fairly simple. It lives in comparison to itself, rather shallow waters. Crabs and crustaceans feed on mollusks, other shellfish, and fish that swim by while it is still. My point as to why a super giant the size of Roshar couldn't do that, is because of the sheer scale. It would be literally the only of its kind as there is no other "continental creature" that it could reproduce with, and if it could reproduce, there wouldn't be enough planet to contain it and even one of its brood. The amount of food it would need to survive would wipe out all life on the planet. Edited March 4, 2016 by Pathfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 All shell beasts survive on Storm light. Why do you think chasm fiends eat almost nothing yet are 50 feet tall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 All shell beasts survive on Storm light. Why do you think chasm fiends eat almost nothing yet are 50 feet tall Chasm fiends eat nothing? So they use bridgemen, parshendi, and chulls just to clean their mandibles? For that matter they just have a mouth so they can smile? The only clear case that chasm fiends use stormlight is during pupation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Chasm fiends eat nothing? So they use bridgemen, parshendi, and chulls just to clean their mandibles? For that matter they just have a mouth so they can smile? The only clear case that chasm fiends use stormlight is during pupation A chasm fiend is 50 feet long and eats rock buds which are about the size of a man's head. And those are sparse in the plains. When you're cells are killed stormlight regrows then every chasm fiend is always starving to death at all times which is why they evolved gem hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) A chasm fiend is 50 feet long and eats rock buds which are about the size of a man's head. And those are sparse in the plains. When you're cells are killed stormlight regrows then every chasm fiend is always starving to death at all times which is why they evolved gem hearts. So you have in book references that show chasm fiends only eat rock buds? You also have in book references showing where chasm fiends come from prior to migrating to the shattered planes for pupation? And finally you have in book references that state that chasm fiends feed on stormlight in order to gain their great size? Because it seems like we have read different books. That is all your own theory/opinion with not much actual in book occurrences to back it up. From what I have read, chasm fiends by the time they arrive to the shattered plains are opportunistic feeders. That does not in any way define what was their diet and means of growth prior to arriving at the shattered plains. Edited March 4, 2016 by Pathfinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 So you have in book references that show chasm fiends only eat rock buds? You also have in book references showing where chasm fiends come from prior to migrating to the shattered planes for pupation? And finally you have in book references that state that chasm fiends feed on stormlight in order to gain their great size? Because it seems like we have read different books. That is all your own theory/opinion with not much actual in book occurrences to back it up. From what I have read, chasm fiends by the time they arrive to the shattered plains are opportunistic feeders. That does not in any way define what was their diet and means of growth prior to arriving at the shattered plains. The closest thing to a chasm fiend earth has is the spinosaurus which lived in a wOrld with substantially more plant life and substantially bigger prey to eat and it's still smaller than a chasm fiend. If you want to pretend a chasm fIend gets enough atp from eating rock hounds feel free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 The closest thing to a chasm fiend earth has is the spinosaurus which lived in a wOrld with substantially more plant life and substantially bigger prey to eat and it's still smaller than a chasm fiend. If you want to pretend a chasm fIend gets enough atp from eating rock hounds feel free. Roshar's soil a la crem has a higher nutrient content due to highstorms. The gravity is also lower than earths otherwise crustaceans of that size would be impossible. Shallan herself comments that the chasm fiends migrate which I will quote below, but while I am doing that, can you provide the quote that shows chasm fiends only eat rock buds? I can provide plenty of quotes showing them eating chulls, bridgemen, and parshendi. Where are you getting this information that they only subsist on rockbuds? Words of Radiance page 572 "They must have an interesting life cycle. They haunt these chasms, but I doubt they actually live here. There's not enough food to support creatures of their size. That means they come here as part of some migratory pattern. They come here to pupate. Have you ever seen a juvenile? before they form the chrysalis?" Adolin and Shallan go on to discuss the shape of the chrysalis to attempt to identify the taxonomy of the creature. Shown below is comparing it to a sea creature. So we do not even know the stages of life and forms the chasm fiend takes, yet you can state with certainty that this is the only answer? Shallan even points out the faulty nature of such theorizing. Words of Radiance page 573 "This might be a false positive, a coincidence. The yu-nerig are an aquatic species. The only time they come onto land is to pupate. Seems tenuous to assume a relationship to chasmfiends...." This is expanded upon showing that we do not see chasmfiends at either the beginning nor the mainstay of their life cycle due to the next quote: Words of Radiance 574 "You're not hunting them here, Adolin. You'r harvesting them. You're systematically destroying their juvenile population." So you mean to tell me, it is not possible that like many insects and crustaceans on our own world, that the chasmfiend couldn't eat and stock up on calories back in Natantan and grow to their size, and then migrate to the shattered plains where they pupate? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Would this omnibeast be at all related to the greatshells that Rysn sees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 (edited) The reason great shells are humongous is because they are super strong from using storm light. Why do you think they have gem hearts?chulls pupate without gem hearts because you can pupate without using storm light. You don't read very closely, chasm fiends eat everything they can because they're always starving but they're still alive because of storm light. Edited March 4, 2016 by Bryce Carmony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 The reason great shells are humongous is because they are super strong from using storm light. Why do you think they have gem hearts?chulls pupate without gem hearts because you can pupate without using storm light. You don't read very closely, chasm fiends eat everything they can because they're always starving but they're still alive because of storm light. That's an unnecessarily antagonistic way to say that. We don't actually know either of those things for certain, and it's never stated that the chasmfiends eat every thing around. We only know for sure they eat humans and probably Parshendi. jW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Wow, dude, chill. This isn't about having thick or thin skin, it's about being reasonable in an online discussion. You didn't even attack me in the initial post, so my having thin skin would be unrelated. Maybe take a break and come back in a little while when you can stop making jabs at people? jW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Wow, dude, chill. This isn't about having thick or thin skin, it's about being reasonable in an online discussion. You didn't even attack me in the initial post, so my having thin skin would be unrelated. Maybe take a break and come back in a little while when you can stop making jabs at people? jW Why don't you just not read the thread? If Disagreement is more than you can handle maybe go watch the five on Fox News or something. I don't have a problem with people stating I don't read the book closely so if I return that critique it's ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Please don't resort to personal attacks in your argument, 17th Shard is a place for reasonable discussion not attacking those who disagree with you.I've hidden some comments pending further moderation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Carmony he/him Posted March 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 I agree insulting someone calling them an "antagonist" is completely inappropriate. I forgive the offending party and harbor no ill will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter he/him Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 your arguing has angered the omni-beast...apparently it's name is Voidus... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 your arguing has angered the omni-beast...apparently it's name is Voidus... Nah I just spiked it to steal some things from it. Staying in one place for that long would prevent me from being able to travel and establish the Dark Alley. Also how many keyboards do you know that are sized for an omni-beast? I'd fall way behind in my RP writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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