Moogle Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 A Surgebinder somehow gains the ability to Surgebind by bonding a spren - something is "stuffed" into their soul. I speculate, for the purposes of this theory, that this is similar to the sDNA one gains by burning lerasium. Each Nahel spren is sort of a living pair of Surges. Now, consider something very similar to the spren bond: a Seon bond. (The similarities are actually quite immense: you can Pass a spren bond.) At its core, a Seon has an Aon - much like a Nahel spren has two Surges at its core. Might it be that, by bonding a specific Seon, you gain sDNA specifically related to this Aon? So: could someone bonded to a Seon, if they found a way to infuse themselves with the Dor, be able to use the Aon in question through will alone? For the moment, I am very suspicious that the answer is "yes". After all, a Seon can actualize their Aon. So can spren (or so I am guessing; Syl sticks things together in what seems to be use of Adhesion). I am very interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on this! I think I might ask this in the Twitter thing this Thursday. As support for this theory: Q: If an Elantrian bonded to a Seon and traveled to Roshar, would that act as a Nahel bond?A: It would act very very similarly, yes. But it would be like… it wouldn't necesarily do the exact same things. It would be treated the exact same way, but wouldn't grant the same powers.(source) Only, I think the answer is misleading: one need not travel to Roshar at all. Corollary to the above: bonding Nightblood may grant you the ability to "destroy evil" in some fashion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardbearer he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Well, we already know that Aons act as the filter for the Dor, like metal does for Allomancy. We also know that it is possible for will to act as the filter if the person draws in the Investiture directly. From this, I think that what you suggest is likely possible if someone with a Seon bond could indeed draw in the Dor or perhaps some other form of Investiture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Maybe the Spren Bond on Roshar make possible to use the specific "Aon" in a more intuitive ways...something like "use less modificator" or something like that. PS: I had a theory about the power gifted through bond on Roshar (it was about another kind of Human-Splinter relationship) but I don't know if we know something new information to confirm or deny it. Edited February 2, 2016 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze1616 he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Your theory stands to reason. I'm still not sure if I buy the ability to use the Aon through will alone simply by being infused with the Dor. This would suggest any Elantrian bonded to a Seon would have immediate access to the one Aon, barring modifications of course, and that Dakhor monks and ChayShan practitioners might be capable of the same. It sounds plausible enough, but I wonder if that's really all that Surgebinding is on Roshar, or if there's something more to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 I need information now. Is there a Sanderson AMA on Twitter on Thursday How do I ask questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 I bet you could intuitively use the Aon that is within the Seon, without drawing the symbol yourself. If there was a way for one to actually infuse themselves with investiture, this would make sense. This might clarify a great deal of things to how the nahel bond works, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle of the Forest Path he/him Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 It could also be as simple as a Seon bonded to an Elantrian granting them the ability to breathe in stormlight when on Roshar. The question that follows is, when an Elantrian has stormlight inside, can he use that as a power source for AonDor as practised in Arelon (with the same Aons), or would the symbols have to be adjusted to the local geography as well, or is there some other factor preventing the use of Selish magics at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) It could also be as simple as a Seon bonded to an Elantrian granting them the ability to breathe in stormlight when on Roshar. The question that follows is, when an Elantrian has stormlight inside, can he use that as a power source for AonDor as practised in Arelon (with the same Aons), or would the symbols have to be adjusted to the local geography as well, or is there some other factor preventing the use of Selish magics at all. It's quite what I though The Bonds on Roshar obtain two "powers": - The ability to breath Local Investiture (Stormlight) - Using the local Investiture to perform Magic compatible with the type of Bond. Of course is just a Theory of mine, I have nothing like proof Edited February 3, 2016 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted February 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 I need information now. Is there a Sanderson AMA on Twitter on Thursday How do I ask questions? You can find the tweet here. As far as I can tell, at 4 PM tomorrow you just tweet a question @BrandSanderson with #SandersonChat in the question. Not entirely sure; keep an eye on their Twitter for more information, perhaps? Your theory stands to reason. I'm still not sure if I buy the ability to use the Aon through will alone simply by being infused with the Dor. This would suggest any Elantrian bonded to a Seon would have immediate access to the one Aon, barring modifications of course, and that Dakhor monks and ChayShan practitioners might be capable of the same. It sounds plausible enough, but I wonder if that's really all that Surgebinding is on Roshar, or if there's something more to it. I don't believe Elantrians are infused by the Dor like a Surgebinder with Stormlight. Their glowy-effects are because it's like they're "standing in a blacklight" by WoB, though it's true you could interpret that to mean they're infused by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Elantrians direct the dor like allomancers direct preservations power. Neither of them actually take it into themselves, they simply funnel it from the shard into a real-world effect, through an Aon or a metal. Surgebinding, on the other hand, involves taking in investiture into oneself and directing it. This is also how awakening works. This is probably why a Seon bond doesn't automatically grant powers on sel. Unless you actually were infused with investiture, this type of bond to a shard would not be very useful. If one took in stormlight, however, they might be able to manifest certain powers. And yes, if somehow they were infused with the Dor, they would probably have access to the same powers. So far I don't think anybody has been able to become infused in this way with the Dor, however. It would probably be easier to worldhop to roshar and breathe in stormlight than it would be to infuse oneself with the Dor on sel. On a random note while comparing magic systems, it is also interesting to note that nalthis awakening is the only type of magic that doesn't require anything but investiture. Both the "funnelling" types of magic (Scadrial and sel magics) require a bond of some kind to the shard. Roshar's surgebinding also requires a bond to the shard, even though the user is hosting the investiture that they channel. But on nalthis, all you need to practice awakening is breath. This either means everybody on nalthis shares a bond with endowment, or that this magic system actually doesn't require any kind of bond to endowment to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Moridin he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Allomancy does involve the Investiture entering the Allomancer though, just very much temporarily before it becomes an effect. This is how savants are created after all, the power widens the troughs in their spiritweb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Wasn't the Dor also straining against Raoden for release as well, until he discovered the chasm line? Elantrians likely are also a temporary conduit like allomancers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle of the Forest Path he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I don't believe Elantrians are infused by the Dor like a Surgebinder with Stormlight. Their glowy-effects are because it's like they're "standing in a blacklight" by WoB, though it's true you could interpret that to mean they're infused by it. IIRC, Reod Elantrians can't die - and don't need to eat or breathe - because they are "sustained by the Dor", isn't that a clear indication that they are in fact infused by it in some way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted February 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 IIRC, Reod Elantrians can't die - and don't need to eat or breathe - because they are "sustained by the Dor", isn't that a clear indication that they are in fact infused by it in some way? Maybe, maybe not. Look at the Heralds/Returned - they are probably Invested, but they aren't "infused" in the sense that they can use their Investiture like Stormlight. (Well, Returned can, so bad example, but maybe you get what I'm thinking at. I'm not very confident in this analysis.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilamal he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Glyphs and Aons. Any connections, you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 ... Ghostbloods confirmed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echaozh he/him Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Um, does anyone think that perhaps Wyrn himself is bonded with the Seon he had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Um, does anyone think that perhaps Wyrn himself is bonded with the Seon he had? The Wyrn has a Seon, we know that. But we can't be sure if He is the Seon's Master (it is probably) or some of his servants is the Seon's Master. Therefore I think that (probably) Wyrn has a Seon's Bond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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