TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted February 26, 2016 Author Posted February 26, 2016 Did we ever actually ok Neutrality? IIRC he wasn't really a negater he was just personally immune to Epic powers, which is going to make a mess of problems in game. But I don't think we did rule out negater Epics officially yet. Yeah, Neutrality's powers were deemed too troublesome, and I listed negaters on the banned and restricted powers list. They'd just cause too many problems without some serious nerfing.
Citadel16 he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) twi said in the rules Assumers and Cancelers: Epics who steal and/or negate the powers of other Epics are not allowed. If one Epic has the power to cancel out another Epic's powers, they could walk into a city, kill all the Epics there, and leave without a scratch. In other words, they'd be too OP. Taking another Epic's powers for a short time (and leaving the other Epic powerless) falls into the same category. Mimicking other Epics' powers, with proper limits, is allowed. what about immunity epics? epics who are only immune to other epics powers Edited February 26, 2016 by warriormark16
Voidus Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Yeah, Neutrality's powers were deemed too troublesome, and I listed negaters on the banned and restricted powers list. They'd just cause too many problems without some serious nerfing. Alright then, I was just thinking of the Calamity's consequences discussion and I only remembered one person being against it as a concept, personally I like the possibilities that they open up like actually posing some danger to High Epics.
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 So, I've put a little more work in my Epic, and I'd like to join the Salem thread. Voidus, is there anything I should PM (aside from the weakness) before starting?
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted February 26, 2016 Author Posted February 26, 2016 Alright then, I was just thinking of the Calamity's consequences discussion and I only remembered one person being against it as a concept, personally I like the possibilities that they open up like actually posing some danger to High Epics. Someone like CorpseMaker is fine--an Epic with firm limits, who can only negate one ability at a time, or similar limits. That works well and poses a challenge to High Epics. What worries me about opening it up to someone who could, say, negate all abilities of all Epics within a certain range is that they don't pose a challenge; they hold a trump card. They could walk into Astoria and be ruling the place in 10 minutes flat.
Voidus Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Someone like CorpseMaker is fine--an Epic with firm limits, who can only negate one ability at a time, or similar limits. That works well and poses a challenge to High Epics. What worries me about opening it up to someone who could, say, negate all abilities of all Epics within a certain range is that they don't pose a challenge; they hold a trump card. They could walk into Astoria and be ruling the place in 10 minutes flat. Not unless they're also a High Epic, otherwise any other Epic could just shoot them to death pretty easily. So, I've put a little more work in my Epic, and I'd like to join the Salem thread. Voidus, is there anything I should PM (aside from the weakness) before starting? Would you mind posting the complete profile here so we can review it?
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Would you mind posting the complete profile here so we can review it?Sure. Here it is Snare Epic Name: Snare Age: 24 Appearance: Snare wears a black jacket and pants. He does not wear shoes, or anything on his hands. He has brown hair, grey eyes, and usually has a look of concentration on his face. He's tall, lightly muscled, a little bit unkempt-looking. Primary Power: Quantum entanglement. Basically, he can touch two objects to "link" them together. Anything that happens to one object will happen to the other, inverted. (Think the reverse fabrials from WoR that Navani uses to lift a platform.) He can use this to stop most things, person or object, by linking them to the ground. Snare can link to one object and hold the link open, allowing him to go somewhere else before linking to the other object. Since weight and momentum factor into his links, it's very hard for him to do anything with large or heavy objects. Secondary-ish Power: If Snare concentrates reeeeeally hard, he can constantly link and re-link everything touching him to something else. Gives him a very weak PI, he can freeze bullets and other projectiles. He can only keep it up for about 10 seconds, tops. Background: Jack Woods was a college grad student pre-Calamity, in engineering. He got his powers a couple months after Calamity rose, and his Rending pretty much consisted of pushing heavy things off roofs and using them to slam people into walls. Or straight into the air. Though he hurt a couple dozen people, he only killed two. After his Rending, he left the university, and was last seem at some (as-yet undecided) location in Oregon... Scene detailing his powers: Snare strode into the small town. Night was just starting to fall, and the decrepit buildings surrounding him were just beginning to vanish under the cover of shadow. As he walked, his bare feet making a smack-smack against the packed dirt, he pulled two smooth, round rocks from his pockets and beginning tossing them from hand to hand. Though the street, if it could be called that, had previously held several groups of people, it was now deserted. This little town, Snare couldn't remember the name, knew Epics. And the people knew to get away if they saw anyone who looked too confident, or just different. Snare slowly came to a halt as a door flew open and a short, very muscular man walked out. "I assume you're the one in charge of this town?" Snare called, still tossing the rocks back and forth. "Yes!" the man replied. "I am Beatdown!" He flexed, trying, and failing, to look impressive. Oh great. Snare thought to himself. Looks like some kind of strength Epic. "What do you want?" Snare asked. "This is MY town!" Beatdown yelled. "An' there ain't no Epics passing through my town withou' paying the FEE!" He cracked his knuckles. This is taking too long. Snare thought. I need to keep going. In response to the man's yells, Snare caught the two rocks he had been tossing, and held them for a second. And then Snare focused, lip curling as he Linked the rocks. Then, he reached out in front of him, and tossed the rock at Beatdown. While throwing the other behind him. The two linked rocks fed off of each other's inverted momentum, accelerating through the air. The first rock smashed into Beatdown's chest with a cracking sound. The other stopped in the air, as if it had hit something, and landed on the ground. Snare released the link and looked at his handiwork. The strength Epic was knocked over, falling onto the road. Then, he stood up and laughed. "Ha! You puny man, you think that would stop me?" Beatdown taunted. Looks like increased resilience as well. Hmm.. This could be interesting. With a roar, Beatdown began to charge Snare. Snare shifted, moving his weight back a little, and shuffled his foot into the dirt until he felt something. He smiled, linking to the rock he felt embedded there. He held the link, waiting, until Beatdown was almost on top of him. Then, he thrust out his hand, and tapped Beatdown's chest. And closed the link. Beatdown halted abruptly, coughing as the strain of what felt like running straight into a wall crashed into the same spot the rock had hit him, earlier. "Sounds like you busted up a rib there, pal." Snare said as he walked away from the frozen Epic. Beatdown was pushing, trying to force his way out of the link. He wouldn't be able to. Snare strolled out of town, holding the link in the back of his mind. It got harder the further away he got, but he held it until he was about a half a mile away. Then, he released the link, and continued walking. The strength Epic, if he had any sense, would go back to his pitiful little town. Snare didn't care about him. He had far bigger plans to think about.
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Sure. Here it is To be entirely honest, I can't spot the difference. Mind poining me in its direction?
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) To be entirely honest, I can't spot the difference. Mind poining me in its direction? The edit I made in the scene? Sure I changed part of the double-rock throwing, where, when the one rock hit the Epic, the other stopped in midair. Before, I had had it just hitting the ground. Edited February 26, 2016 by Nashan'Elin
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 The edit I made in the scene? Sure I changed part of the double-rock throwing, where, when the one rock hit the Epic, the other stopped in midair. Before, I had had it just hitting the ground. Alright, got it. Thanks. One question, if he would take two objects of exactly the same size,weight ect, hold them in the air and then let go of them, would they keep each other in the air?
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Alright, got it. Thanks. One question, if he would take two objects of exactly the same size,weight ect, hold them in the air and then let go of them, would they keep each other in the air? Yes, but finding two objects of exactly the same size and weight would be near impossible.
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Yes, but finding two objects of exactly the same size and weight would be near impossible. Good answer.
Voidus Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 One other question: Does the link work based on forces, momentum or just speed?
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 The link works based on weight, so you can't link a boulder and a pebble and then lift the pebble. Momentum transfers as well, so something already moving will pull on anything it's linked to.
Voidus Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 The link works based on weight, so you can't link a boulder and a pebble and then lift the pebble. Momentum transfers as well, so something already moving will pull on anything it's linked to. So momentum based and relative to the earth rather than to its starting position? Sorry, I just like to know the physics of powers where possible so they stay consistent.
ChickenPlague he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Epicthoughts: Could a strength epic flex to stop a bullet?
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 So momentum based and relative to the earth rather than to its starting position? Sorry, I just like to know the physics of powers where possible so they stay consistent. Alright. My thought process for the power was the theory of quantum entanglement, where two atoms become linked and if they are separated (through a black hole or something, it was really confusing) they stay linked, and anything done to the one atom, aka twisted, moved, etc, happened to the other in reverse, aka twisting the other way, moving in the opposite direction. I tried to factor weight in like I explained above, momentum, where if one thing is moving before it is linked with something else, the other thing will attempt to move as well. It's all completely relative to the position of the two objects.
Aonar he/him Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Alright. My thought process for the power was the theory of quantum entanglement, where two atoms become linked and if they are separated (through a black hole or something, it was really confusing) they stay linked, and anything done to the one atom, aka twisted, moved, etc, happened to the other in reverse, aka twisting the other way, moving in the opposite direction. I tried to factor weight in like I explained above, momentum, where if one thing is moving before it is linked with something else, the other thing will attempt to move as well. It's all completely relative to the position of the two objects. *Note: I am not qualified to talk about quantum mechanics in any way, and my understanding is most likely flawed. However, I think I might be able to help with conceptualizing the idea.* Thing is, quantum entanglement doesn't exactly work like that. It really doesn't apply to macroscopic objects. (Heck, it doesn't really apply to most microscopic ones, either.) If your Epic could enforce quantum coherence and entanglement on macroscopic objects, your primary application of this power would be the absolute minimum of their abilities; some of which would be very scary. Additionally, it's hard to say if you could even get your linking ability out of quantum entanglement. More formally defined, quantum entanglement is when two systems become connected in such a way that they must be treated as one system, regardless of physical distance. However, this doesn't really mean that what happens to one happens to the other; rather, this means that the state of one is dependent upon the state of the other, the same way that the position of a baseball depends on the energy and vectors of the bat that struck it. (Well, no, the two things aren't actually the same at all, but it's not a bad way to think about it. ) This is complicated by the fact that at a quantum level, objects do not really have classical locations, rather they have a probability that they may be found in any given location and state. This is where the idea of one entangled element interacting with another comes from; when one is measured, one instantly knows the measure of the of the other, because they are linked. However, one did not actually change the other; once one is measured, it and it's partner have, in a sense, inhabited this state since the moment they interacted. Except they haven't, because they were in a supersposition of possible states. with the caveat that the state of one depends upon the state of the other. Really, it all gets ridiculously complicated ridiculously quickly. You'd probably be better served by laying out the power in purely classical terms. (Eg. Linking two objects makes it so that they will always attempt to have equivalent velocity with opposing vectors, while conserving energy and momentum. Or vice versa.) Edited February 27, 2016 by Aonar Faileas 1
Blackhoof Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 I think what Nashan is potentially getting at isn't that his Epic literally quantum entangles the particles, but that his Epic has a power that does what it does, and the idea behind it is inspired by quantum entanglement.
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 I think what Nashan is potentially getting at isn't that his Epic literally quantum entangles the particles, but that his Epic has a power that does what it does, and the idea behind it is inspired by quantum entanglement. This is it. I was inspired by quantum entanglement, but the power isn't exactly quantum entanglement.
Aonar he/him Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 This is it. I was inspired by quantum entanglement, but the power isn't exactly quantum entanglement. Okay. That makes much more sense. I was confused by how you talked about it in the profile; between the reference there and the explanation here I wasn't quite sure what you were getting at. Things sound good, then.
The Swan Dragon he/him Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 Just checked, what is free form role playing has 666 view. Life = complete. 1
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 Just checked, what is free form role playing has 666 view. Life = complete. And 12 new views since then. We are no longer the torturers of Heralds. Also, I have a weird addictions. Since Voidus said he might edit in the Neverthere segment I check the post almost compulsively.
Voidus Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 And 12 new views since then. We are no longer the torturers of Heralds. Also, I have a weird addictions. Since Voidus said he might edit in the Neverthere segment I check the post almost compulsively. I'll probably get to it sometime tonight, been a bit busy with a mysterious side project.
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 I'll probably get to it sometime tonight, been a bit busy with a mysterious side project. It's fine, my addictions are my problem... (are we at least going to see that side project? )
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