Stormgate he/him Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Enders Game and especially the sequels are Cosmere. I refer to the part in (I think it's Speaker of the Dead?) where Ender and friends go into a mystical place where thinking makes it so. Hold the pattern of something in your mind, and it appears. Shadesmar, anyone?
Left he/him Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Enders Game and especially the sequels are Cosmere. I refer to the part in (I think it's Speaker of the Dead?) where Ender and friends go into a mystical place where thinking makes it so. Hold the pattern of something in your mind, and it appears. Shadesmar, anyone?The problem being Earth again, but that bit in Children of the Mind does feel very realmatic.
AndrewStirlingMacDonald he/him Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Of the ones mentioned above, I think the ones that "feel" the most cosmere-linkable to me are Fullmetal Alchemist and Dishonored. I also never noticed the thing about magnets not existing on Shardworlds before. Is this phenomenon discussed in a thread somewhere?
DreamEternal Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Of the ones mentioned above, I think the ones that "feel" the most cosmere-linkable to me are Fullmetal Alchemist and Dishonored. I also never noticed the thing about magnets not existing on Shardworlds before. Is this phenomenon discussed in a thread somewhere? No, mostly because none of the shardworlds we have seem(except maybe modern scadrial) could have magnets as anything more than rare stones rich people use as decoration and most people won't see in their lifes.
Eagle of the Forest Path he/him Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Are we talking exclusively about lodestones here, or also electromagnets (with copper coils and stuff)? Because W&W era Scadrial definitely has one or the other (or both), they couldn't get electricity otherwise. Edited January 1, 2016 by EagleOfTheForestPath
DreamEternal Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Are we talking exclusively about lodestones here, or also electromagnets (with copper coils and stuff)? Because W&W era Scadrial definitely has one or the other (or both), they couldn't get electricity otherwise. Technically they could, but nowhere near enough for large scale use. Edited January 1, 2016 by DreamEternal
Unodus he/him Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) Are we talking exclusively about lodestones here, or also electromagnets (with copper coils and stuff)? Because W&W era Scadrial definitely has one or the other (or both), they couldn't get electricity otherwise. They could have electricity if they were completely dependent on chemical electricity (something like lithium batteries, I guess). I'm not the best at science, but I believe spinning magnets to generate electricity was discovered after chemical electricity? (don't quote me on that though x.x). I imagine electromagnets would be possible with electricity, though. Another argument would be that if magnets were invested, and by spinning them it was possible to generate energy- wouldn't spinning an invested hemalurgic spike have the same effect? Just a thought, given we're expecting mechanical uses of the arts from the south :3 Edited January 2, 2016 by Unodus
Eagle of the Forest Path he/him Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 They could have electricity if they were completely dependent on chemical electricity (something like lithium batteries, I guess). I'm not the best at science, but I believe spinning magnets to generate electricity was discovered after chemical electricity? (don't quote me on that though x.x). I imagine electromagnets would be possible with electricity, though. I'm quite certain they have rotation-generated electricity on Scadrial, because in AoL there's talk about coinshots and lurchers working in a power plant (IIRC), that most likely means magnets of some sort. Though my science, too, is a little rusty.
Landis963 he/him Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 I'm quite certain they have rotation-generated electricity on Scadrial, because in AoL there's talk about coinshots and lurchers working in a power plant (IIRC), that most likely means magnets of some sort. Though my science, too, is a little rusty. Not necessarily. All you need is a metal turbine, and the coinshot/lurcher themselves would act as the magnet array.
Eagle of the Forest Path he/him Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Wouldn't that be more like in an electric motor, instead of a generator?
natc Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Yeah, I'm pretty sure you need something to get the electrons moving in the first place. Coinshots can't move electrons in metal.
Landis963 he/him Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 Yeah, I'm pretty sure you need something to get the electrons moving in the first place. Coinshots can't move electrons in metal. My mistake. Yeah, you'd need something to get the electricity going in the first place. Once you have the motor in place though, you can replace any source of energy with a coinshot/lurcher.
Silverblade5 he/him Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Equestria is cosmere, and all alicorns hold splinters of the shard of friendship
Raykoda Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 If FMA is Cosmere, then what would its shard be? Analysis, maybe?
Left he/him Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 If FMA is Cosmere, then what would its shard be? Analysis, maybe?I lean towards equivalence or balance.
natc Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) Even though God is clearly open to taking overcosted offers from people like an entire soul for an arm without giving you the change? Not that he has any say on what people want to pay when they ask him for stuff directly but he doesn't seem to mind as long as he gets something above or equal to his personal opinion of what the pricetag ought to be. He seems obsessed with people having to pay the price for their actions more than anything, when he is directly involved. When he isn't, the equivalency is there, but that's more a function of creating things being impossible, which is to some extent true in the cosmere as well; gotta fork over that magic-y energy stuff in exchange. Actually . . . exchange. Yeah. FMA God is basically running on Wayne logic. Edited January 8, 2016 by natc 1
Stormgate he/him Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 I just realized the similarities between the Knights Radiant and the various Lantern Corps (green, blue, etc.) They have a certain mindset, a way of thinking, whether it be willpower or fear or hope or whatnot, and they get power. Based on that, they sound like the KR method of gaining power was applied to multiple Shards (Fear, Willpower, Hope, etc.)
Oversleep Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Even though God is clearly open to taking overcosted offers from people like an entire soul for an arm without giving you the change? Not that he has any say on what people want to pay when they ask him for stuff directly but he doesn't seem to mind as long as he gets something above or equal to his personal opinion of what the pricetag ought to be. He seems obsessed with people having to pay the price for their actions more than anything, when he is directly involved. When he isn't, the equivalency is there, but that's more a function of creating things being impossible, which is to some extent true in the cosmere as well; gotta fork over that magic-y energy stuff in exchange. Actually . . . exchange. Yeah. FMA God is basically running on Wayne logic. It's more like... Edward exchanged his arm and becoming a cripple for life in exchange for soul (and part of mind or something, cannot recall). If he tried to bring back Alphonse fully, with not only soul, but also whole mind and body, he would have been consumed fully. Humans consist of three parts: Body, Mind and Soul (Colours Iridescent, FMA is Cosmere!). When Alphonse sacrified himself (his Soul and part of Mind) Ed got his arm back. If the first time the exchange was equivalent, then now it also is. Edited January 9, 2016 by Oversleep
Landis963 he/him Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) I thought FMA was *spoilers* In an alternate version of Earth where alchemy worked as described. If so, then FMA can't be cosmere. Sadly. EDIT: Oh dear, has it been that long since I've used a spoiler-box here? Geez oh my... Edited January 9, 2016 by Landis963
Left he/him Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 I thought FMA was *spoilers* In an alternate version of Earth where alchemy worked as described. If so, then FMA can't be cosmere. Sadly. EDIT: Oh dear, has it been that long since I've used a spoiler-box here? Geez oh my... Partially true. There's different versions, and only one explicitly connects FMA to earth. I think it's similar to wheel of time, it really probably shouldn't be cosmere, but it would work really well if it was.
Oversleep Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 I thought FMA was *spoilers* In an alternate version of Earth where alchemy worked as described. If so, then FMA can't be cosmere. Sadly. EDIT: Oh dear, has it been that long since I've used a spoiler-box here? Geez oh my... That was in the first anime, which is partially adaptation of manga (early on), spoilers and then original plot. In that version the world was connected to Earth indeed. FMA:Brotherhood is direct adaptation and there is no connection to Earth at all.
KaIadin he/him Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) The Old Kingdom series is definitely Cosmere. Death has the feel of the Cognitive Realm and the stars after the 9th Gate could be the Spiritual Realm. Plus chaining Orannis and limiting his power is like what Preservation did to Ruin. The magic systems fit nicely in with the other worlds as well. Seriously, if Garth Nix hadn't written those books years before Brandon I would have sworn he was being influenced by him but maybe it was the other way around! Hey, maybe that's why in Alcatraz vs the Scrivener's Bones he tries to through the scent off him and says : "If you happen to fall into that last category, you should know that my name isn’t really Alcatraz Smedry, nor is it Brandon Sanderson. My name is really Garth Nix, and you can find me in Australia. Oh, and I insulted your mother once. What’re you going to do about it, huh?" Possibly the best line I've ever read in a book ever Then what's the Investiture? Mogget? Edited January 9, 2016 by ClockWork PoleAxe
Oversleep Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Abhorsen spoilers: Mogget was one of these beings, he was the Eighth (the first Seven Invested their power and it can be channeled through the bells, the Ninth is the Orannis).So what, we've got Nine Shards on one planet? And Seven of them share the same magic system (the Free Magic and necromancy)? What about Charter then?There were also something about Seven starting the bloodlines of people, it was about Great Charters or something. Edited January 10, 2016 by Oversleep
Landis963 he/him Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 (edited) Mogget was one of these beings, he was the Eighth (the first Seven Invested their power and it can be channeled through the bells, the Ninth is the Orannis). So what, we've got Nine Shards on one planet? And Seven of them share the same magic system (the Free Magic and necromancy)? What about Codex then? There were also something about Seven starting the bloodlines of people, it was about Great Codesex or something. If the Old Kingdom is Investiture, it'd be something along the lines of two Shards into 9 Slivers (the Great Charters, Mogget, and Orannis). I'm assuming two shards, because much like Investiture on Scadrial, we have Charter Magic, Necromancy, and Free Magic, and yes, I believe there is in fact a difference. For one thing, Free Magic is "corrupted" Charter Magic, while Necromancy uses bells - musical tones. EDIT: Sorry about de spoilerz. Edited January 10, 2016 by Landis963 2
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