DeadFencer Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 From the Alloy of Law supplement to the MAG- "The Mistborn and Keepers, who could use the full spectrum of Allomancy and Feruchemy respectively". Full Feruchemists are called Keepers, apparently. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I believe that the term was established in the original Mistborn, but thank you for bringing it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Techinicaly, the Keepers were a group dedicated to preserving the knowledge of the world before the Final Empire, which was composed of most, if not all feruchemists that existed. But I myself am OK with using it as a name for full feruchemists. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaeggs he/him Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Oh Merciful Domi that will make life so much easier. And in answer to Stormgate, the Keepers were just an order that all Feruchemists belonged to, and back then, all Feruchemists were Full Feruchemists. It makes sense that the term "Keeper" would have evolved into full feruchemist. EDIT: Gosh, CognitivePulsePattern getting the jump on me by 30 seconds. Edited December 13, 2015 by NoMoreOoklasForAYear 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11thorderknight Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I called it! Perfect name for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 But Keepers were a group dedicated to preserving knowledge during TLR rule. They may have consisted of full Feruchemists only, but 1) it doesn't mean ALL Feruchemists were Keepers 2) were any full Feruchemist born now, he certainly wouldn't be a Keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 But Keepers were a group dedicated to preserving knowledge during TLR rule. They may have consisted of full Feruchemists only, but 1) it doesn't mean ALL Feruchemists were Keepers 2) were any full Feruchemist born now, he certainly wouldn't be a Keeper A Full Feruchemist (Keeper ?) or Ferring can be called Feruchemist without any error. The problem is that while an Allomancer (therefore Mistborn or Misting) has a separate name form the specific name of its users. The Feruchemy has not the same things. it's a heritage of the time where there is no problem to call a Feruchemist (without the Feriing) but probably if the "Full Feruchemist" exist in the AoL era. They decide a name to themself or to keep "Keeper or Worldbringer as name for Hystorical reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 A Full Feruchemist (Keeper ?) or Ferring can be called Feruchemist without any error. The problem is that while an Allomancer (therefore Mistborn or Misting) has a separate name form the specific name of its users. The Feruchemy has not the same things. it's a heritage of the time where there is no problem to call a Feruchemist (without the Feriing) but probably if the "Full Feruchemist" exist in the AoL era. They decide a name to themself or to keep "Keeper or Worldbringer as name for Hystorical reasons. I am not sure what you mean. What I meant was that Keepers were just an organization. We don't even know if all Keepers were Feruchemists. There may have been some Feruchemists not being a member of Keepers, therefore they wouldn't call themselves a 'Keeper'. If some Mistborn started an organization, we wouldn't apply its name as term for Mistborn, would we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) I am not sure what you mean. What I meant was that Keepers were just an organization. We don't even know if all Keepers were Feruchemists. There may have been some Feruchemists not being a member of Keepers, therefore they wouldn't call themselves a 'Keeper'. If some Mistborn started an organization, we wouldn't apply its name as term for Mistborn, would we? Sorry I explain myseft bad. What I want to say is that: Before the end of the Final Empire there is no Ferring and therefore nobody has any need to think about a specific name to the Feruchemy users, they was simply "Feruchemist" (Like probably before the Rashek's Ascension and the Mistborns' born there was simply "Allomancers") . Now (during the AoL era) there is both "Full Feruchemist" and Ferring as Feruchemy's Users. And therefore (if it's true that there is also Full Feruchemist in this era) the Terris comunity has to find a name to them. Probably it's possible that they may choose Keeper for Hystorical reasons. This is just what i wanted to say Edited December 14, 2015 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaa he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) I agree with Yata. If a bunch of new Full Feruchemists start showing up then the Terris people (probably just the Elders) could come up with a shorter name that would fit whatever new role these Full Feruchemists would have in their post-Catacendre society. Calling new Full Feruchemists Keepers might make Archivist Ferrings jealous, since they are perfectly capable of the Keeper task of collecting and preserving knowledge. But I still like that term for Full Feruchemists because of its possible etymology. I believe the Terris word for "keeper" (i.e. not the English word, but whatever it is in the Terris language) has the root "terr" in it, which is also the root word of "Terris". The Terris word "terr", if you guys remember, means "to preserve", which is a synonym of "to keep". It was the name that the Terris used for their god, Terr, a.k.a. Preservation. Assuming it was Leras who directly created the first Feruchemists, calling Full Feruchemists by his alias seems quite fitting. Edited December 15, 2015 by skaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Also the names Mistborn and Misting was created arbitrarily by Rashek because He knows the relationship from the Mist and Preservation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Which is weird because the Mists themselves strictly only create/snap mistings, and mistborn don't naturally arise without lerasium, which is metallic Preservation and not gaseous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa he/him Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I wondered about the question if somebody can be a Mistborn and a Ferring (say, Skimmer) or, respectively, a Keeper(Full Feruchemist) and a Misting (say, Ironpull) at the same time. As far we had only Twinborns and "absolute combinations", like TLR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) I wondered about the question if somebody can be a Mistborn and a Ferring (say, Skimmer) or, respectively, a Keeper(Full Feruchemist) and a Misting (say, Ironpull) at the same time. As far we had only Twinborns and "absolute combinations", like TLR. There is a WoB about and it is possible, just very very very very unlikely. And of course we need a name of them XD Edited December 15, 2015 by Yata 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle of the Forest Path he/him Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 There is a WoB about and it is possible, just very very very very unlikely. And of course we need a name of them XD Ferroborn and Misters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Actually, if they aren't gonna show up, then a name isn't needed. And if they show up, they would be so rare that maybe one at time would exist and in that case... Well, if you're unique, why bother making up a name for what you are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 For SCIENCE! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Much like Lift named her Stormlight 'awesomeness', I propose the term "Awesomeborn". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth she/her Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Much like Lift named her Stormlight 'awesomeness', I propose the term "Awesomeborn". An alternative that's been bandied about the board: "Twinawesome" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baine he/him Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 I agree. I think this theory's a Keeper! pleasedon'thurtme 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King's Twit he/him Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Which is weird because the Mists themselves strictly only create/snap mistings, and mistborn don't naturally arise without lerasium, which is metallic Preservation and not gaseous. This is completely off topic, but were the Mists Snapping people who could've Snapped in one of the conventional ways (beatings, etc.) too? Because if they were, I wonder if they did Snap anyone with latent Mistborn abilities, but we never knew about it because it either happened too far from where the plot was happening or they never realized that they'd Snapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 The Mists probably were capable of Snapping people who were latent Allomancers, but WoB indicates that they were actually making people into Allomancers who never normally could have been. I believe the reason the Mists didn't make Mistborn was hinted to be because it costed a lot more power(?), but as I cannot find the WoB I cannot justify that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle of the Forest Path he/him Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 It's also because preservation needed to give a clue to people with the number 16. 16% of people got mistsick and 1/16 of those were mistfallen. If the mists snapped people into Mistborn as well the percentages would have been off. (17 just isn't as meaningful, it appears) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King's Twit he/him Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 The Mists could've Snapped some Mistborn instead of some of the Mistings, I imagine they would be much more helpful in the fight against the Koloss and the Inquisitors. Plus they can burn Atium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Yeah but the clue about the Atium Misting would vanish in that way. Probably Elend would didn't send this best Allomancer near the Pit and in the end many Mistborn was what Ruin want, because He may use with little problem their ability. There wasn't many ways to find Durallumin or Atium misting for Ruin. Edited December 21, 2015 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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