killersquirrel59 he/him Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Were the details of how TenSoon killed and replaced OreSeur ever mentioned? This always rang a bit false to me, once Kandra were a bit better understood. OreSeur had the Blessing of Potency and TenSoon didn't. How did TenSoon kill him? Not only kill him, but kill him quickly and quietly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdroGrimshell Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Probably by waiting until he was transitioning bodies, which takes time. TenSoon would have had a body already and would thus have OreSeur at his mercy before he killed and consumed him, then he would have just taken the dog body for himself to use and boom, we have OreSeur's replacement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charononus Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 OreSeur had many broken bones at that time, he was having a hard time even walking. Pretty hard to fight when you don't have a working skeleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Arum Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 What if he just took out OreSeur's spikes when he was changing bodies and vulnerable? We have evidence of the Kandra taking out their own spikes to kill themselves, so why not kill another Kandra with this method and consume his/her body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 tensoon said that he killed oreseur alone, not that he was alone when he captured him. ambush him with a bunch of helpers armed with mallets, break his bones, and call it a day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaeggs he/him Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I don't think he would have pulled out OreSeur's spikes, he said he tortured him before death. He probably ambushed him with a mallet, that seems like the most feasible option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 He wouldn't want anyone to know how to kill a kandra, remember? yes, which is exactly the reason he would send away his hired muscles after they incapacitated their victim. so, you're only showing themm how to slow down a kandra. but really, knowing that a kandra need the bones of someboody to imitate him, I suppose anyone with some wits can figure that out, so no big deal. Just as anyone should be able to fiigure that if kandra can rearrange themselves and heal cuts, the way to hurt them is with fire or acid. or lock them in close confines and let them starve. it shouldn't be such a big secret. anyway, a kandra without bones can still move like an amoeba, so you're not teaching anyone how to hurt a kandra permanently if you teach to crush bones. this merely inconvenience the kandra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 How would one go about torturing a Kandra, especially one with the Blessing of Potency like OreSeur? I understand that they can feel pain, but would TenSoon have the equipment necessary to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charononus Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 How would one go about torturing a Kandra, especially one with the Blessing of Potency like OreSeur? I understand that they can feel pain, but would TenSoon have the equipment necessary to do that? Honestly it's be even easier to do to a Kandra. Shatter their bones so that they can't move. (This was mostly done to OreSeur before TenSoon even got to him.) Now their helpless. We know from OreSeur's comments to Vin that Kandra do feel pain from being cut or stabbed. However this can't kill them. So you can torture them as much as you want. You won't kill them. They have no bones so they can't fight back. You just have to toss them a skull so that they can answer your questions, but they can't fight back with a skull alone so you are still in good shape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhoof Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 On the re-read, i felt proud spotting the exact moment that OreSeur was replaced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 On the re-read, i felt proud spotting the exact moment that OreSeur was replaced. Bringing up the hair again was kind of conspicuous, wasn't it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhoof Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Indeed. Re-reading the books for the first time in years makes me embarrassed at how thick I was Did not have a clue as to the Lord Ruler's true nature, or OreSeur's replacement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent he/him Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Indeed. Re-reading the books for the first time in years makes me embarrassed at how thick I was With risk of derailing the thread a little (more), I find that it's best to be a little thick when reading books. Makes it easier for foreshadowing to kick in at the last possible moment, for maximum punch. It's also a compliment to the author, you immersing yourself in their world so much, you overlook details because characters overlooked them. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaeggs he/him Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 With risk of derailing the thread a little (more), I find that it's best to be a little thick when reading books. Makes it easier for foreshadowing to kick in at the last possible moment, for maximum punch. It's also a compliment to the author, you immersing yourself in their world so much, you overlook details because characters overlooked them. Definitely, especially with Sanderson's. It's good to look into it enough to notice the plot inconsistencies, as they are important to the story, but don't go overboard, at least not on the first read. Also, on a personal level, this comment makes me feel better because I almost never notice things until I see them on the Shard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killersquirrel59 he/him Posted November 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Oh I love how thick I am as a reader on the first time. It makes the second, third, and fourth times so much more enjoyable as on each subsequent time I read these books I pick up something new, one more amazing piece of subtle foreshadowing or little hint as to what's really going on and just want to kick myself for being so dense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comatose he/him Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 tensoon said that he killed oreseur alone, not that he was alone when he captured him. ambush him with a bunch of helpers armed with mallets, break his bones, and call it a day. I think what Charononos was referring to was that OreSeur already had his bones broken at the time, prior to TenSoon's attack, not that TenSoon broke his bones (with or without help). Remember, OreSeur was severely injured during the attack on Vin by Cett's assassins. When Vin brought him the wolfhound's body, he was barely able to hold himself together. My guess is TenSoon waited until Vin left, then ambushed him while he was making the transition. With only a fractured skeleton to use (or no skeleton if he had already left the old one behind), it would be difficult to take full advantage of his blessing. OreSeur could have attacked him with a knife and cut his blessings out, or just enveloped and absorbed him (cannibalism...). For all we know, TenSoon could have infiltrated the Venture staff as soon as Straff and Zane arrived, and then waited for OreSeur to be in a vulnerable state. Since they were members of the same generation, TenSoon likely knew OreSeur had the blessing of potency. Since MeLaan knew about it in Book 3, the blessings kandra have seem to be common knowledge. My guess is he prepared accordingly, and would be capable of pulling off the assassination without outside help. The logistics of killing a kandra without controlling them with allomancy has always escaped me. The acid or fire methods are pretty cumbersome and take a lot of set up, so I've always been curious about how exactly TenSoon did it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner he/him Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 He directly says how he did it in Hero of Ages. He absorbed OreSeur's body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comatose he/him Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 Yes, but he doesn't say how he absorbed OreSeur's body. I'm assuming he would have needed to incapacitate OreSeur in some way, surprise him, or otherwise overpower him in order to accomplish this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler he/him Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 Also, on a personal level, this comment makes me feel better because I almost never notice things until I see them on the Shard.Im right there with ya. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 On the subject of OreSeur's death, I view kandra as very intelligent and morphable amoebas. Simply envelop the other kandra and digest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhoof Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 In HoA he mentioned that he tortured OreSeur for information, learning the location of Kelsier's bones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I thought that when he said that he absorbed OreSeur, he was just bluffing to scare kandra WhatwasHisname Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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