Trell, The Reddest of Herrings

[killersquirrel59 he/him]

It occurs to me that we are spending a lot of time here debating who Trell might be. Yet what evidence do we really have that Trell is anything? We know that Miles worshipped Trell, but that's about it. I put forward that Trell might be just a huge red herring, and we are jumping on that name because it was the last word in the book.

 

Now there is definitely something bigger going on involving another Shard of some variety, as we have confirmed that the new God metal is something new. However, we don't know that this is Trell. Marisi thinks it is, but we have been fooled by in-character assumptions before, such as Vin being the Hero of Ages in WoA.

[Edgedancer he/him]

Well, we don't really know who or what the Trell Miles worshiped is anyway and we need a name to refer to the one manipulating Paalm. Using the term given in text is simply a whole lot less complicated then making up a new one in case this one nebulous deity is anoter entity then the other nebulous deity that already is involved in a major event.

 

Edit: To put it another way, Trell can't really be a red herring, because we have just about nothing to connect the term with, making it pretty much an empty word.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Edgedancer

[Citadel16 he/him]

[Kaymyth she/her]

 

Ahh, but can it be used to cut down the mightiest tree in the forest?

[Citadel16 he/him]

Cut down a tree with a herring? It can't be done!

[killersquirrel59 he/him]

Cut down a tree with a herring? It can't be done!

You said the word!

[WayneSpren he/him]

Maybe Trell will be a faith or way of life Marasi will decide to follow.

 

What were the four faiths anyway?

Sliverism, Survivorism, Pathism, but what's the last one? Vinism?

[natc]

You list three in a Trell discussion and forget Trell's religion? >_>

[DreamEternal]

You list three in a Trell discussion and forget Trell's religion? >_>

Trell's religion was more like a one-man cult than anything.

[Citadel16 he/him]

Maybe Trell will be a faith or way of life Marasi will decide to follow.

 

What were the four faiths anyway?

Sliverism, Survivorism, Pathism, but what's the last one? Vinism?

atheism.

[WayneSpren he/him]

You list three in a Trell discussion and forget Trell's religion? >_>

I was thinking it didn't count as Marasi didn't even know about it.

[Charononus]

atheism.

Not really a faith. It's meaning is that you don't have a faith.

[+eveorjoy she/her]

Trell is mentioned by Saied in Mistborn the Final Empire. Trellism (I forgot the precise name of the religion) is the first religion Saied suggests Vin convert to, during the scene where she gets her hair cut. So before The Final Empire crushed all other religions there were followers of Trell on the Mistborn planet. Trell therefore must be based on a real god of the cosmere.

[natc]

Ah, but looking at it differently atheism is the lack of faith in the existence any god or higher power, by the way the word itself is spelled. That means you have a firm belief that there isn't a god of some sort, which is just as much blind faith as a belief that there is. You can't truly prove either.

If you simply don't give a rusting damnation about the subject that's a different case from being specifically atheistic.

I was thinking it didn't count as Marasi didn't even know about it.

I can realize Buddhism exists and know absolutely nothing about it.

I don't recall much of Marasi other than not knowing much about "Trell" as a figure near the end. How often does she even mention trellism?

[Charononus]

Ah, but looking at it differently atheism is the lack of faith in the existence any god or higher power, by the way the word itself is spelled. That means you have a firm belief that there isn't a god of some sort, which is just as much blind faith as a belief that there is. You can't truly prove either.

If you simply don't give a rusting damnation about the subject that's a different case from being specifically atheistic.

I can realize Buddhism exists and know absolutely nothing about it.

I don't recall much of Marasi other than not knowing much about "Trell" as a figure near the end. How often does she even mention trellism?

Ok I'm curious on how you'd define me then.  I say atheist but maybe you have a different take.  My problem is that I'm very literal minded and don't believe in anything that can't be measured.  Now I really don't care one way or the other about religion in general,  either so I'm curious on what you'd call that.  

Edited November 20, 2015 by Charononus

[Seonid he/him]

Ok I'm curious on how you'd define me then.  I say atheist but maybe you have a different take.  My problem is that I'm very literal minded and don't believe in anything that can't be measured.  Now I really don't care one way or the other about religion in general,  either so I'm curious on what you'd call that.  

 

I'd call you an empiricist, then.

[vividox]

Hey guys, I'm new to the board, hopefully not posting anything here I'm not supposed to, but when I read Shadows of Self and came across the new God metal / Trell stuff, my immediate thought was Trell = Odium. (Insofar as Trelagism could have been a legit religion pre-Catacendre, but those who think they are worshiping Trell post-Catacendre are actually worshipping Odium, who decided to join the fun on Scadrial) Plausible? Already debunked a trillion times over somewhere else?

Edited November 22, 2015 by vividox

[Kaymyth she/her]

Hey guys, I'm new to the board, hopefully not posting anything here I'm not supposed to, but when I read Shadows of Self and came across the new God metal / Trell stuff, my immediate thought was Trell = Odium. (Insofar as Trelagism could have been a legit religion pre-Catacendre, but those who think they are worshiping Trell post-Catacendre are actually worshipping Odium, who decided to join the fun on Scadrial) Plausible? Already debunked a trillion times over somewhere else?

 

Right now, Autonomy and Odium are probable frontrunners for Trell (assuming we know anything, which 'cause it's Sanderson, we probably don't).  I'm leaning towards Autonomy myself, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that Paalm's spikes were an alloy of their two godmetals.

[Citadel16 he/him]

well if you think about it

paalms entire mission was, in a nutshell, to free the people from Harmony. Autonomy means acting independently or having the freedom to do so.

think about that for a while.

[natc]

I'd call you an empiricist, then.

Ah, yes, that term. That's what I was looking for. I knew there was a term for it but I don't hear it often enough and forgot.

[DeadFencer]

What were the four faiths anyway?

Sliverism, Survivorism, Pathism, but what's the last one? Vinism?

The last one is the God Beyond- the idea that there's a more powerful force than the Harmony Shard.

[Citadel16 he/him]

The last one is the God Beyond- the idea that there's a more powerful force than the Harmony Shard.

really? is this confirmed?  perhaps it refers to a being more powerful than adonalsium as well, seeing as how we have it like that in the ranking system.

[StormingTexan he/him]

I think everyone in AoL era is just getting the name Trell confused with Kel 

[Stormgate he/him]

Sanderson wouldn't do that to us. He wouldn't. *starts rocking in a corner clutching a copy of Elantris*

[Datan Nomlibash]

I think that another shard is involved and that trell is a red herring. At best I think that another shard might be posing as a god from scardials lore. (Aka Trell)

Edited December 10, 2015 by Datan Nomlibash