Updated synopsis for words of radiance

[Windrunner he/him]

Personally, I just think that that's a coincidence.

[Shardlet he/him]

It could be, but that would be a remarkably germane coincidence. 

[Natans he/him]

Don't blame me for try =)

 

Back to the topic, so Dalinar is the Bondsmith or what. =)

Edited December 5, 2013 by Ookla the Puro

[Oudeis he/him]

Maybe the Bondsmith is Taravangian?

 

The Bondsmith "striving to rebuild what was destroyed". Mr. T: "Sometimes you must tear down a structure to build a new one with stronger walls"

[Natans he/him]

Maybe the Bondsmith is Taravangian?

 

The Bondsmith "striving to rebuild what was destroyed". Mr. T: "Sometimes you must tear down a structure to build a new one with stronger walls"

 

To be sincere I thinked that too and for sure he would fit with "born in blood and death"  but given the fact that he is a "villain" I refrained myself to say so. Could this be the case of a "spren with not so much discernment as a honorspren"  radiant ?

 

For sure Mr. T most know about Radiants and such.

Edited December 5, 2013 by Ookla the Puro

[junior]

At first, it felt wrong to have Eshonai as The explorer, but then I read the last section from the cover flap again, and  I must agree that it matches very well.

The Explorer is probably not a Radiant order, its just identification of what she represents, just as The assassin is an is seth but I'm pretty sure that its not an Radiant order.

 

The one objection that I have to this is - what would she explore?  The Parshendi are completely hemmed in, with limited room to maneuver.  Exploration implies the opposite.

 

Aside from that niggling little detail, though, it seems to fit.

[Windrunner he/him]

The Parshendi weren't always penned in. Just because she can't explore now, doesn't mean she never did or that she doesn't want to still.

[hoser he/him]

The one objection that I have to this is - what would she explore?  The Parshendi are completely hemmed in, with limited room to maneuver.  Exploration implies the opposite.

 

Aside from that niggling little detail, though, it seems to fit.

 

 

The Parshendi weren't always penned in. Just because she can't explore now, doesn't mean she never did or that she doesn't want to still.

Actually, we know she did once:

 

Eshonai herself had discovered these ruins years ago, just before her expedition that had first encountered humans. Only five years ago now, but also an eternity. She remembered what it had felt like, striking out, exploring a wide world she had thought infinite.

 

[Argent he/him]

Another vote for Dalinar being Bondsmith.

Also - waaaaaaaat

[KiManiak he/him]

Rereading the whole thing again, another question came up:

 

"The ancient oaths have at last been spoken; the spren return. Men seek that which was lost. I fear the struggle will destroy them."

 

It appears as if someone is directly reporting this.  (It's possible that this could just be a blurb to catch the consumer's attention, but what if it's not?)  Which leads to certain questions:

 

1) Who's making this observation?

 

2) Who are they making it to?

 

3) Could this be a direct quote (or a paraphrase) from the book?

 

 

It appears that the logical answer to 1) would be Hoid, but I don't know.  It could be Cultivation; it could be another cosmere-aware observer.

 

As for 2), I have no idea.  And 3), I guess we'll have to wait until March.

 

I don't know; maybe I'm just reading too much into a back cover blurb...

[Mailliw73 he/him]

As much as I don't like it, I think I have to agree that Dalinar is the Bondsmith.

From TWoK:

There are four whom we watch. The first is the surgeon, forced to put aside healing to become a soldier in the most brutal war of our time. The second is the assassin, a murderer who weeps as he kills. The third is the liar, a young woman who wears a scholar’s mantle over the heart of a thief. The last is the highprince, a warlord whose eyes have opened to the past as his thirst for battle wanes.

The only new addition to WoR would be "The Explorer" and I think I'm leaning towards Eshonai, but for some reason, it doesn't feel right to me.

[Ozyara he/him]

I agree as well that Dalinar is a Bondsmith i don't know why but it has somehow always connected to him for me (can't say why)

[KiManiak he/him]

From TWoK:

There are four whom we watch. The first is the surgeon, forced to put aside healing to become a soldier in the most brutal war of our time. The second is the assassin, a murderer who weeps as he kills. The third is the liar, a young woman who wears a scholar’s mantle over the heart of a thief. The last is the highprince, a warlord whose eyes have opened to the past as his thirst for battle wanes.

 

 

I was rereading that blurb, too.  

 

Again, I am curious who the narrator is, and who they are speaking to:

"I long for the days before the Last Desolation."

"There are four whom we watch."

 

It's also good to be reminded that of the 4 listed on both cover blurbs (Kaladin, the surgeon/Windrunner; Szeth the Assassin; Shallan, the liar/Lightweaver; and Dalinar, the highprince/(likely Bondsmith?), one is listed as a potential savior.  And one is listed as a definite destroyer.  

I still have no idea who the Destroyer could be.  I think Szeth is too easy of an answer, and I am somewhat eagerly anxious (if that makes sense; or should it be anxiously eager?) to find out who it could be. 

 

I can barely wait til March.

Edited December 5, 2013 by KiManiak

[Argent he/him]

"I long for the days before the Last Desolation."

Wait, where is that from?

[Windrunner he/him]

The back of TWoK.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I was rereading that blurb, too.  

 

Again, I am curious who the narrator is, and who they are speaking to:

"I long for the days before the Last Desolation."

"There are four whom we watch."

I am too, I think Hoid is the obvious answer, but not necessarily correct. I think it is someone who is permanently on Roshar.

 

It's also good to be reminded that of the 4 listed on both cover blurbs (Kaladin, the surgeon/Windrunner; Szeth the Assassin; Shallan, the liar/Lightweaver; and Dalinar, the highprince/(likely Bondsmith?), one is listed as a potential savior.  And one is listed as a definite destroyer.  

I still have no idea who the Destroyer could be.  I think Szeth is too easy of an answer, and I am somewhat eagerly anxious (if that makes sense; or should it be anxiously eager?) to find out who it could be. 

 

I can barely wait til March.

Yes, I could see any of the four above being a potential destroyer(albeit with some drastic personality changes). Any have the power, Szeth could, Shallan has a dark side, Kal and Dalinar have the potential, but not the personality.

[ADIMORTIS he/him]

It is the nature of the magic. A broken soul has cracks into which something else can be fit.  Surgebindings, the powers of creation themselves.  They can brace a broken soul; but they can also widen its fissures.

 

 

Why is it the power of creation ??

[Windrunner he/him]

I don't know that it is Surgebindings alone that are the powers of creation, but rather investiture in general is known as the powers of creation.

[Moogle]

It is the nature of the magic. A broken soul has cracks into which something else can be fit.  Surgebindings, the powers of creation themselves.  They can brace a broken soul; but they can also widen its fissures.

 

Interestingly enough, this also occurs with Snapping in the Mistborn novels. You need to have a traumatic event to Snap. It seems to me that it should be a general pattern for all Cosmere magic. I suspect all Elantrians also had 'broken souls', too, though that doesn't really fit Raoden, who was basically perfect. Warbreaker also has this issue, though you could make a case that every Breath is just a loose bit of soul.

[Natans he/him]

Apparently Surgebinding is one of most difilcult magics to use in Brandon magic systems.

 

You need "A broken soul"

You need attract an special kind of spren

You need act in a given way, but apparently not only act, but really believe in the thing you are doing.

You need know the "words" to gain power

You need stormlight to full your power

 

It's a lot of "needs" I curious to know how the KR of old trained new Knight. How you can teach a person to have a broken soul or believe deeply in the ideal like Kaladin.

 

That would explain the fact that apparently there aren't many Radiants (1500 to 3000 in accord with we know), a elite order indeed.  

 

And another thing how Kaladin will teach this for brigde 4, if it's possible teach.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Ookla the Puro

[Aether he/him]

They should be broken enough, though. They might be able to attract Spren if they can now find a fitting virtue to focus on.

[Looter he/him]

I am too, I think Hoid is the obvious answer, but not necessarily correct. I think it is someone who is permanently on Roshar.

Yes, I could see any of the four above being a potential destroyer(albeit with some drastic personality changes). Any have the power, Szeth could, Shallan has a dark side, Kal and Dalinar have the potential, but not the personality.

I have always thought it was from the prospectively a herald whom possibly kings for destruction, either their own or just the end of it all. I don't think the destruction is guaranteed to be bad just an end.

[Daishi5]

Renarin may be well on his way to being a Radiant then with all that he has suffered from his blood weakness, and he doesn't have a shard blade to prevent a bond. Adolin, who hasn't really suffered yet, probably doesn't have the "broken soul" to fill with surge binding.

[+eveorjoy she/her]

I wonder is Kaladin more broken than Szeth because he can hold more stormlight and. What do you all think?

[Scriptorian he/him]

Thoughts on Dalinar as a Bondsmith: I've always thought it noteworthy that Dalinar is observed to have a noticeable affinity for his shards, something about making other shardbearers look like children. Anyway, there has been prior speculation that Bondsmiths are somehow the makers of shardplate (maybe blades too?), so I wonder if there is a connection between Dalinar's shardbearer-awesomeness and his (theorized) Order.

 

Also, do we know what Herald goes with the Bondsmiths?