Oudeis he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I have not seen this discussed anywhere... What are we gonna call the new hemalurgic thing? Howlers? Some two-syllable word starting with a K and one repeated vowel? Krintins? They lost a ton of humanity, very fast. All from one spike. What attribute do you think it stored? They seemed pretty strong; might? And odd they should specifically get thickened skulls. We know Bleeder was nowhere near at the time, and Wax implies they were sent to delay him again; who did that? Members of the Set? Why did Harmony not see them, why did TenSoon not smell them? How did they know when to let the Howlers loose? Who were they? Just random people? Did she just take twenty random strangers off the street and kill half of them to power transformation in the other half? Are there a bunch of missing people unaccounted for of which we are unaware? Was this the only new construct she had? Did she have another minion who set the Howlers loose? How does turning people into mindless automatons jive with her stated decision to see people free or dead? This is expressly neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetLift she/her Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 They seem very golem like to me...Kolem? Kondra have the ablity to make muscles extra strong right, so could they not strengthen their bones as well, given more material to consume/digest? Could they be from another world? The broadsheet kept referring to other worldly beings and even described a pool which I am guessing is similar to that on other worlds in the Cosmere. Perhaps that would explain why TenSoon could not smell them, they are from or of another world. Do the dark eyes give us a clue that I have missed perhaps? They must have been given some instruction to not attack unless they left the room with the 'puzzle' that was intended to distract Wax. This did seem to contradict her entire argument of Freedom... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Kandra cannot give themselves "stronger bones" because the bones are what they have to get from others. They could make True Bodies out of granite. You seem to be suggesting that you think the Howlers are kandra? I'm not certain what it is you're saying here. TenSoon did smell them... and he said they smell like people. We're given every reason to assume that they are more hemalurgic constructs, so it's unlikely they are from another world. It remains, however, possible. They didn't strike me as 'instructions' type of minions. They had no calculation or tactics, they just charged and attacked. I'm not sure I buy that they could be given as abstract an instruction as, "Wait really, really far away, and when he leaves this chamber, which you have no way of sensing, mob him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I was thinking of calling them "Bleeder's construct" for the purposes of the wiki. She got the knowledge elsewhere, but that's the clearest thing that is true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwelfthOfSnackTime he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Is it possible she spiked a dog or wolf to grant animal-like attributes to a normal person? I believe I remember a WOB saying that Hemalurgy could do more than grant powers, but regular attributes as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'll ask about it on Monday. We might get at least a nickname. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC Hammer Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 The thick skull made me think of Parshendi in Storm Form. Could it be something that the spikes made of the new metal came from Odium and were Hemalurgically charged before they were brought over? I'm not saying its likely, but it seems like a fun theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Is it possible she spiked a dog or wolf to grant animal-like attributes to a normal person? I believe I remember a WOB saying that Hemalurgy could do more than grant powers, but regular attributes as well. I believe not? I'll try to find the WoB but I think plants and animals cannot be used to charge spikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I think it's possible. Don't know how likely though. It has been suggested that Hemalurgy on other Shardworlds will have to work with those worlds' foci - metal for Scadrial, perhaps gems for Roshar, and so on. Brandon has RAFOed this, but it's a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwelfthOfSnackTime he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I believe not? I'll try to find the WoB but I think plants and animals cannot be used to charge spikes. That's the part that's a hypothesis. I definitely remember that you could spike a normal person to steal some attribute but I've never heard anything about animals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlion Blight he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 The thick skull made me think of Parshendi in Storm Form. Could it be something that the spikes made of the new metal came from Odium and were Hemalurgically charged before they were brought over? I'm not saying its likely, but it seems like a fun theory. I'm thinking something from another world (probably Roshar) has come to Scadrial and is able to use whatever native magics it brought from its own world. Captured by the Set, it is now being used to blend its magic with that of Scadrial to get these new metal spikes. So, unfortunately, it's not necessarily another Shard targeting Harmony... could be just an off-worlder having a really bad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Aztec Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 super strongtrh boens = dakkhor monks?? mon'kks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I believe not? I'll try to find the WoB but I think plants and animals cannot be used to charge spikes. Don't know about charging with animals but I'm pretty sure you can give a charge to animals though I'll need to do some hunting to find the WoB on it. (Mistwraiths might be a good example in the meantime but they're not really like ordinary animals) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zea mays Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Kobolds. Let's call them kobolds. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 That's the part that's a hypothesis. I definitely remember that you could spike a normal person to steal some attribute but I've never heard anything about animals. Not much point remembering WoBs about it when you've got the fact that koloss are literally made from 5 people, so their spikes would be human strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Kobolds. Let's call them kobolds. Eh, so Trell is God Beyond of the Sevententh Shard(Not its lord and ruler). Well, everything sorted out. Lets move on. On a more serious note, I approve Howlers as a name. And I also believe hemalurgy may work on animals, since they also have spiritwebs, but it would only work with very especific bindpoints and metals, since the difference may be enough to.make their attributes mostly incompatible with humans'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Not much point remembering WoBs about it when you've got the fact that koloss are literally made from 5 people, so their spikes would be human strength. It's also listed in the AA somewhere I'm pretty sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Not everyone reads that for some reason, so might as well cite the book itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King he/him Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Kobolds. Let's call them kobolds. Short but dangerous creatures that live deep underground? Led by a mysterious (yet surprisingly charismatic and beautiful) monarch? I support this motion. More seriously, I like calling them "howlers." We don't really need a name that starts with K--kandra and koloss share the same naming scheme, but the Steel Inquisitors certainly didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarion Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 super strongtrh boens = dakkhor monks?? mon'kks? Oh god. I so want a Kandra to eat a Dakkhor monk. Quick method of creating superKandra. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 It has been suggested that Hemalurgy on other Shardworlds will have to work with those worlds' foci - metal for Scadrial, perhaps gems for Roshar, and so on. Brandon has RAFOed this, but it's a possibility. That seems unlikely... I know that an allomancer can burn any metal from any planet, implying that there's nothing unique about most metals on Scadrial, it's something found in the spiritweb of every metal, everywhere, that allows it to be used. Still, as the opposite art, perhaps hemalurgy is different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misttaken Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Oh god. I so want a Kandra to eat a Dakkhor monk. Quick method of creating superKandra. What if they made a True Body with appropriately shaped bones? Would that work? Seems like it would be a much easier way to make super Kandra. Add in a couple of spikes and they would be terrifying indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 They lost a ton of humanity, very fast. All from one spike. Random question, but do we know for sure that they even have a spike? From what TenSoon had said (Paalm doesn't just murder, she Ruins), I had assumed that these were what happened when someone was spiked in such a way that they were able to survive. That is, these were the people Paalm had stolen all her various powers from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 He pulls a spike out of them, and comments that they were made this way with only one spike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thought Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Ah, quite right. Apparently when I was reviewing that section, I just hadn't read far enough into the aftermath. Looks like "trellium" spikes, specifically (seeing as they appeared to be red). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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